2025 Arizona Cardinals off season thread.

[ajcardfan]

Nobody's saying that man.

But the 2025 roster will feature his third full draft and FA class.

That's enough time to rebuild a roster, and either his system works or it doesn't. There are no more excuses. It's win nine games this year or heads are going to roll.

That's only one more win than last season. Hardly too high of expectations to expect a winning season. Again, we have a great schedule by NFL standards.

 

[Ronin]

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The NFLPA Team Report Cards are expected to be revealed on Wednesday at the Combine.

 

[Chopper0080]

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The NFLPA Team Report Cards are expected to be revealed on Wednesday at the Combine.

This is an area of the off-season I have found I look forward to.

 

[BirdGangThing]

This is an area of the off-season I have found I look forward to.

because they always flunk us lol

 

[602 Native]

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The NFLPA Team Report Cards are expected to be revealed on Wednesday at the Combine.

Went from Fs to Ds last year.

Can’t wait for more amazing improvements

 

[Shane]

Nobody's saying that man.

But the 2025 roster will feature his third full draft and FA class.

That's enough time to rebuild a roster, and either his system works or it doesn't. There are no more excuses. It's win nine games this year or heads are going to roll.

Coming from the guy thats more than willing to give a particular QB 7 years to BE THE MAN. Thats ripe.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Went from Fs to Ds last year.

Can’t wait for more amazing improvements

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[Crimson Warrior]

Coming from the guy thats more than willing to give a particular QB 7 years to BE THE MAN. Thats ripe

So my support of the well-read, loves-his-mother Kyler Murray is not very rational. Thanks for pointing that out to everyone.

 

[BritCard]

I'm not really sure how you plan on gauging this but I would say Stills has been comparable to JJ Nelson and Andre Ellington who were both late round picks by Keim. All three were role players who flashed decent production for that role.

Kinda feel like you didn't do much research on this. Where do you place McBride on Keim's draft resume? Tyrann Mathieu? Alex Okafor? John Brown? DJ? Golden? David Johnson? Reddick? Budda Baker? Christian Kirk? Kyler Murray? Byron Murphy? Zach Allen?

Defending Keim makes me sick, but his drafts are an example of even bad GMs can hit on good players. Monti has not demonstrated that he is a better drafter than Keim to this point. Hopefully he passes Keim but I haven't seen much to make me think he will other than being a better person (which is a low bar).

JJ Nelson had 3 mediocre years, bummed around practice squads and roster fringes for 2 more and was out of the league before he turned 28.

Andre Ellington had 3 mediocre years, did nothing for 2 more and was out of the league by 28.

Both of them are somewhere between Ed Stinson and Josh Mauro if we want to keep it on DT's and Dante Stills is not in the same class. Has 8 career sacks already as a rotational piece. Mauro had 5 in his career. I can't see the future but I can see the player, and if Stills is basically out of the league after next season I think we would both be shocked.

The rest, you names basically every player Keim hit on in 10 drafts. The man was garbage. Now do all his busts.

Of all the players he drafted after round 4 practically all of them were done in the league after 1 or 2 years or bummed around of the back end of rosters and PS's until their rookie deals put them out of their misery. Keaontay Ingram, Lecitus Smith, Christian Matthew, Marquis Hayes, , Keesean Johnson, Tay Gowan, James Wiggins, Michal Menet, Eno, Evan Weaver etc etc

Of all his picks after round 4, and there are dozens, the only players that stuck around are Luketa, Rudy Ford, JJ Nelson, Andre Ellington and Dimukeje (although I'd put money on Dimukeje not making it past this year). And I'm stretching stuck around there because 2 of those were basically done after 3 years. I can't talk for Monti, it's too early, but odds look better he might beat 4 in 2 classes.

And I'm vomiting in my mouth looking at the busts he drafted 4 or higher. His drafts were better when BA was here, which makes me think it was all BA, after BA left they were terrible. Chad Williams, Dorian Johnson, Mason Cole, Rosen, Hakeem Butler, Isabella, Fotu, Lawrence, Isaiah Simmons, Josh Jones, Marco Wilson, Rondale, Zaven Collins for where he was picked, Cam Thomas, MyJai Sanders. Even Kyler is mediocre.

Bad GM's can hit on good players if you give them enough picks. Keim's hit rate was terrible though. In his 80 odd picks the only true great players he drafted are Honey Badger, Budda Baker and likely Trey McBride.

 

[Ronin]

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The NFLPA Team Report Cards will be revealed Wednesday at 9AM AZ time.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[Ronin]

Darius Robinson 'Never Healthy' As Rookie, But Trending Up

 

[kerouac9]

Darius Robinson 'Never Healthy' As Rookie, But Trending Up

Monti has a remarkable knack for finding injured players

 

[BritCard]

Monti has a remarkable knack for finding injured players

Injuries are completely random. Unless you sign someone like Deebo with a long history.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Injuries are completely random. Unless you sign someone like Deebo with a long history.

aren't you the one who tried to argue that Rondale Moore wasn't injury prone?

 

[phillycard]

Nobody's saying that man.

But the 2025 roster will feature his third full draft and FA class.

That's enough time to rebuild a roster, and either his system works or it doesn't. There are no more excuses. It's win nine games this year or heads are going to roll.

Heck I'm going to set the minimum for me at 10.

 

[kerouac9]

Injuries are completely random. Unless you sign someone like Deebo with a long history.

He drafted Beej and Garrett Williams knowing they were injured.

 

[BritCard]

aren't you the one who tried to argue that Rondale Moore wasn't injury prone?

No. I'm the one that argued he didn't have a long injury history, just one injury that spanned 2 seasons.

 

[BACH]

He drafted Beej and Garrett Williams knowing they were injured.

And he got Williams about 35 picks later than he would have gone if not injured.

Williams hasn’t been injured after recovered from his college injury, so it’s a stupid point

 

[Harry]

Monti has a remarkable knack for finding injured players

I can’t really ID a cause, but the Cards have been plagued by a number of odd, significant injuries in recent years from the QB on down. I would lay that at Ossenfort’s door. He has been aggressive at drafting players with existing injuries, but once recovered they don’t seem to be the problem. Some, like Williams, some were great bargains. Part of the oddity is the injuries seem unrelated to conditioning for the most part.

 

[BritCard]

He drafted Beej and Garrett Williams knowing they were injured.

Nope. Beej wasn't known to be injured. He did the combine and his Pro day. His knee issue didn't show up until camp and nobody has ever said when it occurred or how.

Williams worked out pretty well it seems and only disproves your point.

 

[kerouac9]

And he got Williams about 35 picks later than he would have gone if not injured.

Williams hasn’t been injured after recovered from his college injury, so it’s a stupid point

Bro you can't resist stepping on rakes.

He missed two games at the end of his rookie season for injury.

 

[kerouac9]

Nope. Beej wasn't known to be injured. He did the combine and his Pro day. His knee issue didn't show up until camp and nobody has ever said when it occurred or how.

Williams worked out pretty well it seems and only disproves your point.

I mean, he attended those events:

BJ Ojulari | Combine Results | OLB - Louisiana State

NFL Scouting Combine and Pro Day scores, percentiles and metrics for BJ Ojulari, OLB, Louisiana State.

nflcombineresults.com

He did the broad jump and the vert. Probably because he was so healthy.

 

[Chopper0080]

JJ Nelson had 3 mediocre years, bummed around practice squads and roster fringes for 2 more and was out of the league before he turned 28.

Andre Ellington had 3 mediocre years, did nothing for 2 more and was out of the league by 28.

Both of them are somewhere between Ed Stinson and Josh Mauro if we want to keep it on DT's and Dante Stills is not in the same class. Has 8 career sacks already as a rotational piece. Mauro had 5 in his career. I can't see the future but I can see the player, and if Stills is basically out of the league after next season I think we would both be shocked.

The rest, you names basically every player Keim hit on in 10 drafts. The man was garbage. Now do all his busts.

Of all the players he drafted after round 4 practically all of them were done in the league after 1 or 2 years or bummed around of the back end of rosters and PS's until their rookie deals put them out of their misery. Keaontay Ingram, Lecitus Smith, Christian Matthew, Marquis Hayes, , Keesean Johnson, Tay Gowan, James Wiggins, Michal Menet, Eno, Evan Weaver etc etc

Of all his picks after round 4, and there are dozens, the only players that stuck around are Luketa, Rudy Ford, JJ Nelson, Andre Ellington and Dimukeje (although I'd put money on Dimukeje not making it past this year). And I'm stretching stuck around there because 2 of those were basically done after 3 years. I can't talk for Monti, it's too early, but odds look better he might beat 4 in 2 classes.

And I'm vomiting in my mouth looking at the busts he drafted 4 or higher. His drafts were better when BA was here, which makes me think it was all BA, after BA left they were terrible. Chad Williams, Dorian Johnson, Mason Cole, Rosen, Hakeem Butler, Isabella, Fotu, Lawrence, Isaiah Simmons, Josh Jones, Marco Wilson, Rondale, Zaven Collins for where he was picked, Cam Thomas, MyJai Sanders. Even Kyler is mediocre.

Bad GM's can hit on good players if you give them enough picks. Keim's hit rate was terrible though. In his 80 odd picks the only true great players he drafted are Honey Badger, Budda Baker and likely Trey McBride.

Stills has had a couple mediocre seasons on a bad roster. His mediocre is no different than Ellington or Nelson. Could he get better? Maybe. Could he get bumped out of any role if the Cardinals draft a DL high, re-sign Collier, and get Jones and Nichols back? Potentially. So far there has been nothing "special" about Stills other than he has stuck on the 53 man roster on a team with a poor defensive front.

We of course are evaluating Monti's draft early and Keim's way later but I don't understand where you see the great potential in what Monti has done.

Monti's best value pick is Garrett Williams. Not yet the ceiling or quality of player that Mathieu was...also a 3rd round pick.

Monti took Darius Robinson and Max Melton in one draft. Keim took Byron Murphy and Zach Allen. Maybe those two can get to that level, but may be not.

Monti doesn't seem to have crapped the bed with top 10 picks like Keim did, but Ojulari looks every bit to be the injury bust that Troy Niklas was in round 2.

Will Trey Benson be a better pro than Chase Edmonds? They were both mid rounders and after one season, I don't know he will.

Xavier Thomas can't beat out fellow late round edge Victor Dimukeje.

I can go on and on.

It's not to say Monti can't get better, but unless he can continue to draft in the top 10, nothing shows Monti can find better players in picks 11 through round 7 than Keim was able to.