2025 Arizona Cardinals off season thread.

[oaken1]

He said he was an Emmitt Smith type player, not actually Emmitt Smith.

Smith was a top 20 pick and didn't have an incumbent starter to beat out and not a 3rd round pick with one. Hence the statistical difference.

Emmitt also had one of the greatest offensive lines in history for most of his career..he even said in an interview that Barry would have 2500 yards a season behind his guys

 

[BritCard]

The type of player who gets 900 yards and scores 11 TDs in his rookie season.

900 yards and 9 TD's is nothing if this is your barometer. Had James Conner broke his leg in game 1 Benson would have 900 and 11 easily.

Smith went for 3.5 YPA his rookie year. Give Benson 267 carries and he's getting 900 yards minimum.

Chase Brown, who is the definition of middling running back, had 990 last year. Tyrone Tracy had 839. Tyler Allgeier had 1035 as a rookie and is truly a nobody in RB rankings.

So yeah, if that's your yardstick for greatness I'm confident Benson gets that if he doesn't have an entrenched vet in front of him considering he went for 4.6 YPA on his 63 attempts.

 

[Ronin]

Upgrading line of scrimmage this draft not lost on Cardinals

The Arizona Cardinals have made a concerted effort to upgrade both sides of the line of scrimmage through the NFL Draft

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[Harry]

Emmitt Smith had 900+ yards and 11 TDs his rookie season.

Benson didn’t get the carries. Benson averaged 4.6 yards per carry. Smith got only 3.9.

 

[daves]

The responsibility is on the person arguing that Trey Benson could be as good as arguably the greatest running back of all time to provide some evidence that is the case.

Straw man. No one asserted that. @Harry said that he "has the ability to be a top starting RB when Conner is done, maybe sooner." Harry said he's an "Emmitt Smith type player although maybe not reaching those heights."

Regardless... my post didn't assert anything about Benson, I merely questioned your rebuttal of Harry's post by comparing Smith's rookie year stats when he was drafted to be a starting RB and wasn't challenged by anyone else on the roster, to Benson's stats working behind a guy who had better stats than Smith.

By the way, Smith achieved that whopping 59 yards per game by averaging 3.9 yards per carry, vs. Benson's 4.6 ypc (same as Conner's average). [Edit: Just saw that Harry and @BritCard posted the same.]

Maybe we should start with the assertion that Trey Benson could still become the best running back in his draft class. Bucky Irving started just three games for the Bucs last season and still managed to earn a lion's share of the carries over the course of the year.

[....]

Benson couldn't unseat Emari Demercado, my dude. Let's pump the brakes on the hype train.

Now THESE are valid rebuttals.

Guess we shall see!

 

[Stout]

C'mon, now we're going to try to extrapolate his YPC over the season and make any kind of conclusions? This is a silly argument. Let's just bury it.

 

[Harry]

C'mon, now we're going to try to extrapolate his YPC over the season and make any kind of conclusions? This is a silly argument. Let's just bury it.

It’s not a silly argument. Benson came into an entirely different situation than Smith did. I said Benson had a similar skillset. You presented that season totals indicated that wasn’t valid. That was actually a case of comparing apples to oranges and did not refute what I said. The point of the YPC position was to point out the fallacy of your absolute position. If I had said Benson had an equivalent first season, your position would have applied. Only time will tell if my position is correct, although with Conner re-signed it will take some time to resolve.

 

[Ronin]

Arizona Cardinals hope to re-sign several of own players in NFL free agency

Officially, the 2025 league year begins at 2 p.m. Arizona time on March 12. The reality is that free agency truly begins when the legal negotiating period opens at 10 a.m. Arizona time on March 10. No contracts can be signed until the league year begins, but agreements can be reached with new...

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[BACH]

Bro you can't resist stepping on rakes.

He missed two games at the end of his rookie season for injury.

Or... You are clinging on to something irrelevant to save your stupid comment and as always being condescending to take the focus away from your failure to back any of you arguments with tangible examples.

FACT: The whole discussion was about injury prone players.
FACT: You decided to include Williams as an example of Monti drafting injury prone players
FACT: Williams was rated in the 25-45 range before his injury and Monti got him at #72 due to the fact that he would miss half his rookie season.
FACT: Williams is among the best slot CB in the NFL already, is included in NFL top 100 players by some and in conversation of players being cheated from the Pro-Bowl.

I called you out on including Williams as a draft mistake from Monty.

You are now trying to save you stand by claiming that missing two games proved that Williams is injury prone since being declared ready to play. That is half of the NFL!

Derrick Stingley. The Texans should cut his ass. He missed 5 games over the last two seasons. What a wasted draft pick!

Sauce Gardner! What a joke. He missed 3 games. The Jets should trade him immediately.

Extending McBride? What a stupid idea! He's injury prone. He also missed two games the last two seasons.

Sorry, Broh. But trying to argue that 2 missed games for CB is = injury-prone is just doubling down on stupidity.

EDIT: Your Ha-Ha emoji instead of argumentation is just tripling down on stupidity.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Benson didn’t get the carries. Benson averaged 4.6 yards per carry. Smith got only 3.9.

Interesting stat I believe I once saw was the yards from Emmitt Smith's rookie year with Dallas, and his last year with Arizona... both were for 937 yards