#24

[WildBB]

I aint no scout, but Cards are starting to sound like me after a decade. I still have Hill and Hyde graded higher than any RB in this draft, and they were available when we to took John Brown in the 3rd.

Gurly would be close to even grade if he wasn't hurt! He's hurt don't trust him in the 1st rd! Gurly and Gorden are 6"1' and much lighter than both Hill and Hyde at under 6'. I know what I know, Ive seen what Ive seen.

Keim boo booed last year by passing on the 2 top RBs and not waiting on John Brown that late. Ellington did not hold up as a cow bell and needs to play the role he is perfect at.

I hate being right this often Hill had a 1000 yards and Hyde replaces gore for our rivals, stupid move on Keims part, whether we got John Brown or not.

The Dwyer situation cost this team a lot last season. BA loves speed and talent and Brown brought that. Not a bad pick.

I'm reading that they like the two Florida backs.

 

[Catfish]

I like Cam Erving for #24 just for the very reasons that Mitch explainded-----He is going to be special in the NFL---and if he get to us----would solidify our O-line for a LONG time. He could make the perfect anchor for us there. That would be awesome with Veldheer, Iupati, recently signed----Massie coming on---and Larsen pushing Cooper for the other guard spot. We would have good depth too.

I like the idea of taking WR-KR Lockette from K-State in the 2nd or third. He is the perfect slot receiver for us----a WR that plays like a TE-----Football tough, football quick
fast enough and with real strong hands to get it done----He is smart---a captain and a consumate team leader--------loves the game with a huge passion----just watch some of his films and listen to what his (and the opposing) coaches have to say about him. Pat Tillman like in many ways----Gronk like in some ways. John Brown could move to the outside to be part of a cadre of wideouts composed of both Browns, Fitz, and Floyd. We would always have fresh ones---and the upside of the Brown guys is huge. Floyd seems to respond to great play by other receivers and should excell in good WR play by the three others. Lockett is like 'Q' in many ways ----only more of a leader and not so much of a loner. He is also extremely quick to accellerate and change directions---making him and Ideal KR/PR.

A RB can be taken as late as the 4th round and will be what is needed to supplement the explosiveness of Ellington. Meanwhile if Sk can maneuver for an extra 2 or 3 or 4 pick, then we can still pick up an OLB edge rusher, or a good CB, or ILB to learn from Spoon
and D-Wash

I think this gives the FO some options and some freedom to freelance during the draft, and still get some real talent nearly everywhere that it is needed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I aint no scout, but Cards are starting to sound like me after a decade. I still have Hill and Hyde graded higher than any RB in this draft, and they were available when we to took John Brown in the 3rd.

Gurly would be close to even grade if he wasn't hurt! He's hurt don't trust him in the 1st rd! Gurly and Gorden are 6"1' and much lighter than both Hill and Hyde at under 6'. I know what I know, Ive seen what Ive seen.

Keim boo booed last year by passing on the 2 top RBs and not waiting on John Brown that late. Ellington did not hold up as a cow bell and needs to play the role he is perfect at.

I hate being right this often Hill had a 1000 yards and Hyde replaces gore for our rivals, stupid move on Keims part, whether we got John Brown or not.

Hyde and Hill were both long gone by time the Cards selected John Brown. They were available when the Niklas pick was made at 52. Hill went 55 and Hyde 57.

 

[Harry]

The only knock I've heard on Dupree is that with his skill set he should be dominant not just good. The NFL is a tough grind and it will test a player's passion for the game. I'm not sure the Cards feel they have enough touches to justify a RB. I'm also not sure they'll put more dollars in the OL. If they do I really like Erving. Their most probable selection is a CB, as the draft history of that position late in round 1 is good.

 

[overseascardfan]

The only knock I've heard on Dupree is that with his skill set he should be dominant not just good. The NFL is a tough grind and it will test a player's passion for the game. I'm not sure the Cards feel they have enough touches to justify a RB. I'm also not sure they'll put more dollars in the OL. If they do I really like Erving. Their most probable selection is a CB, as the draft history of that position late in round 1 is good.

I've read scouting reports that Dupree is relying on his size, strength and speed advantage over lesser players but he lacks technique and discipline to dominate all the time. They specifically mention he has short arms and that he fails to use technique and gets locked up too often by athletic, technical OL. One scouting video I saw explained if he can learn the dip and rip move and learn to use his inside hand to punch instead of using both hands and squaring up and being at a disadvantage with his short arms, he can stay skinny and throw OL off balance trying to keep up with his elite burst an power, he could be dominating like a Robert Quinn type of player. So coaching is his biggest need.

Question is, will he be there for ARZ to take and develop? Eli Harold from the scouting reports I've read has that rip and dip technique down and has remarkable body control and athleticism to bend and torque his body and stay skinny to get to the QB. Harold's only knock is that he lacks bulk and may not be able to add more mass on his already chiseled frame.

I like either Dupree (if he can develop quickly) or Harold at #24 or a CB. I am not a fan of taking an OL (unless ARZ really likes Peat who may be there) or a NT as you can get a C or DT in the later rounds if necessary.

 

[juza76]

I've read scouting reports that Dupree is relying on his size, strength and speed advantage over lesser players but he lacks technique and discipline to dominate all the time. They specifically mention he has short arms and that he fails to use technique and gets locked up too often by athletic, technical OL. One scouting video I saw explained if he can learn the dip and rip move and learn to use his inside hand to punch instead of using both hands and squaring up and being at a disadvantage with his short arms, he can stay skinny and throw OL off balance trying to keep up with his elite burst an power, he could be dominating like a Robert Quinn type of player. So coaching is his biggest need.

Question is, will he be there for ARZ to take and develop? Eli Harold from the scouting reports I've read has that rip and dip technique down and has remarkable body control and athleticism to bend and torque his body and stay skinny to get to the QB. Harold's only knock is that he lacks bulk and may not be able to add more mass on his already chiseled frame.

I like either Dupree (if he can develop quickly) or Harold at #24 or a CB. I am not a fan of taking an OL (unless ARZ really likes Peat who may be there) or a NT as you can get a C or DT in the later rounds if necessary.

this!!!!!

 

[WildBB]

I am not a fan of taking an OL (unless ARZ really likes Peat who may be there) or a NT as you can get a C or DT in the later rounds if necessary.

Possibly, but the better NT's are gobled up quickly as there aren't many.
Some could play 1st downs with some time under their belts but who knows if we'd even have a roster spot for them. They'd need to develop.

Who'd you have in mind?

 

[overseascardfan]

Possibly, but the better NT's are gobled up quickly as there aren't many.
Some could play 1st downs with some time under their belts but who knows if we'd even have a roster spot for them. They'd need to develop.

Who'd you have in mind?

There are some small school guys that look interesting but some names that should be there Round 3 & later:

Ellis McCarthy - High profile recruit who hasn't lived up to the hype at UCLA but has great size at 6'5 330.

Carl Davis - 6'5 320, some pass rushing skills but not known as a pass rusher.

Terry Williams - Plays for East Carolina, 6'1 350. Short, round & explosive.

Small school guys:
Leterrius Walton - Central Michigan

Derrick Lott (Also like his teammate, Davis Tull in the later rounds if we take another pass rusher) - Tennessee - Chattanooga

Deon Simon - Northwestern St.

 

[DVontel]

There are some small school guys that look interesting but some names that should be there Round 3 & later:

Ellis McCarthy - High profile recruit who hasn't lived up to the hype at UCLA but has great size at 6'5 330.

Carl Davis - 6'5 320, some pass rushing skills but not known as a pass rusher.

Terry Williams - Plays for East Carolina, 6'1 350. Short, round & explosive.

Small school guys:
Leterrius Walton - Central Michigan

Derrick Lott (Also like his teammate, Davis Tull in the later rounds if we take another pass rusher) - Tennessee - Chattanooga

Deon Simon - Northwestern St.

Highly doubt Carl Davis will still be up there.
He's been getting a lot of talk as a 2nd round prospect if anything.

 

[WildBB]

There are some small school guys that look interesting but some names that should be there Round 3 & later:

Ellis McCarthy - High profile recruit who hasn't lived up to the hype at UCLA but has great size at 6'5 330.

Carl Davis - 6'5 320, some pass rushing skills but not known as a pass rusher.

Terry Williams - Plays for East Carolina, 6'1 350. Short, round & explosive.

Small school guys:
Leterrius Walton - Central Michigan

Derrick Lott (Also like his teammate, Davis Tull in the later rounds if we take another pass rusher) - Tennessee - Chattanooga

Deon Simon - Northwestern St.

Davis won't make it to our 3rd. Maybe not 2nd.

Another Williams could be the ticket.