49ers Implosion

[PoolBoy]

Also don't forget that they will be retiring #80 at half time. The fans will be all riled up for that.

until the Saints #80 catches two touchdowns in the second half.

 

[crisper57]

Also don't forget that they will be retiring #80 at half time. The fans will be all riled up for that.

Aren't they all mad at him right now since he gave the Seahawks a motivational speech last week before their opener?

 

[WarnerHOF]

I don't see how they can beat the Saints unless the Saints put on a stinker. The SF secondary is terrible and fresh meat for Drew Brees and co. Their team also lacks any consistent pass rusher outside of Justin Smith against quite possibly the best offensive line in the NFL.

Emotion will only get the team so far and I have a feeling the team is in disarray after last weeks loss.

 

[kerouac9]

Actually forgot about that, but it honestly doesnt change my mind. I think if you can't get up for this game after losing in week 1, something is truly wrong. Then I might buy that Sing is losing the team....

I think SF jumps on them early and hangs on. Gore should have a big night (and yes I know they held AP to 60 yards), but that was first game of year, at their place....and they still coudnt score much. Niners by 3

How is SF going to jump on them early? Are they going to force some three and outs? Who is going to score for the 49ers? Brett Favre looked average against them, and now you're talking about Alex Smith?

I guess anything's possible, but the Saints offense was firmly in control of that game the entire time; Brees and Payton took their foot off the gas once they realized how inept the Vikings offense actually was. Maybe the 49ers defense can contain the Saints passing attack (although not many teams have been able to so far--shoot, Matt Ryan and the Falcons went into San Francisco last season in Week 5 and laid a 45-10 beat-down on the 49ers), but I don't think that the offense is going to be able to dominate the Saints defense (which is in some ways underrated).

Do you really think that San Francisco is the more talented team there? Because if it comes down to coaching, do you want to take Mike Singletary over Sean Payton?

 

[Renz]

Also don't forget that they will be retiring #80 at half time. The fans will be all riled up for that.

Unfortunately for the Niners, the fans won't be playing the game. Honestly, do any current 49er players give a rat's hat about Jerry Rice?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Actually forgot about that, but it honestly doesnt change my mind. I think if you can't get up for this game after losing in week 1, something is truly wrong. Then I might buy that Sing is losing the team....

I think SF jumps on them early and hangs on. Gore should have a big night (and yes I know they held AP to 60 yards), but that was first game of year, at their place....and they still coudnt score much. Niners by 3

So what if SF "gets up" for this game?? Will that actually matter?? You make it sound as if SF is some crazy talented team where, all they have to do is "get up" for a game and the W is theirs...
The Saints are tremendously more talented and better coached. Sure, upsets occur each week so I guess it's conceivable that the 9ers can surprise and pull an upset here. But don't suggest that the 9ers simply need to "get up" for this game in order to win. They need a TON more to go in their favor in order to merely keep this game close!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

How is SF going to jump on them early? Are they going to force some three and outs? Who is going to score for the 49ers? Brett Favre looked average against them, and now you're talking about Alex Smith?

I guess anything's possible, but the Saints offense was firmly in control of that game the entire time; Brees and Payton took their foot off the gas once they realized how inept the Vikings offense actually was. Maybe the 49ers defense can contain the Saints passing attack (although not many teams have been able to so far--shoot, Matt Ryan and the Falcons went into San Francisco last season in Week 5 and laid a 45-10 beat-down on the 49ers), but I don't think that the offense is going to be able to dominate the Saints defense (which is in some ways underrated).

Do you really think that San Francisco is the more talented team there? Because if it comes down to coaching, do you want to take Mike Singletary over Sean Payton?

I do not think SF is the more talented team, but I also think they have a lot to lose in this game. SF will come out fired up and put some points ont he board. You dont think Frank Gore is capable of having a big day against the Saints? I sure do. AP didnt have that many yards but he did avg 4.6 ypc.

The vikings offense looked terrible against the Saints but im not sure that wasnt mostly the Vikings and not the Saints. I still think SF will have some success on the ground against them and if the vaunted passing game looked like it did against the Vikings, why would they be scared? 27 completions for 227 yards? really? Not sure how the Saints were 'firmly" in control the whole time when they were losing at halftime?

Edge to the home team

edit: No I wouldnt take Sing over Payton in anything other than a "crazy eyes" contest.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

So what if SF "gets up" for this game?? Will that actually matter?? You make it sound as if SF is some crazy talented team where, all they have to do is "get up" for a game and the W is theirs...
The Saints are tremendously more talented and better coached. Sure, upsets occur each week so I guess it's conceivable that the 9ers can surprise and pull an upset here. But don't suggest that the 9ers simply need to "get up" for this game in order to win. They need a TON more to go in their favor in order to merely keep this game close!

HUH?

I didnt say they were more talented. In fact I said they were less talented. But yes it will matter that the game is in SF on monday night and the Niners coming off an upset loss.

And im not scared of the Saints team I saw in week 1, sorry. Yes they are good, but they are beatable and I think Gore can have some success against them.

By the way, whats funny is both you and K9 are ragging me ont his but both had to throw the caviat in "I guess upsets can happen". Either you believe what Im selling or you dont. Either way, dont backtrack already!

 

[82CardsGrad]

HUH?

I didnt say they were more talented. In fact I said they were less talented. But yes it will matter that the game is in SF on monday night and the Niners coming off an upset loss.

And im not scared of the Saints team I saw in week 1, sorry. Yes they are good, but they are beatable and I think Gore can have some success against them.

By the way, whats funny is both you and K9 are ragging me ont his but both had to throw the caviat in "I guess upsets can happen". Either you believe what Im selling or you dont. Either way, dont backtrack already!

It's fun to carelessly toss out a prediction of upset... heck, you can do that each week to get your jollies... However, what I don't get is if you don't like the Saints team you saw in week 1, why would you like the 9ers team you saw in week 1?? You seem to be giving the 9ers the ability to be something different in week 2, but not the Saints? And it's the Saints that won, against a quality team and have now had 10 days rest. Whereas the 9ers are coming off a crushing loss to a craptastic team, while dealing with all sorts of mayhem in the aftermath...
Sure - make an upset prediction... In keeping with that theme, I predict that at some point this year, there will be more upsets! Man that's fun!

 

[kerouac9]

HUH?

I didnt say they were more talented. In fact I said they were less talented. But yes it will matter that the game is in SF on monday night and the Niners coming off an upset loss.

And im not scared of the Saints team I saw in week 1, sorry. Yes they are good, but they are beatable and I think Gore can have some success against them.

By the way, whats funny is both you and K9 are ragging me ont his but both had to throw the caviat in "I guess upsets can happen". Either you believe what Im selling or you dont. Either way, dont backtrack already!

We're not saying that there's no way the Saints lose this game. It sounds like you're saying that you believe there's no way the Saints win this game. I'm just not sure that "intangibles" (which it sounds like even you admit are the only thing that the 49ers have on their side) are enough to beat the defending Super Bowl champions, even if they are on the road.

The Saints passing game can put a ton of pressure on any running offense. You go up 14 points, and I don't care if Frank Gore is averaging 6.4 ypc, you're going to have to go away from your run game. That's how Indy has managed to be so successful for the last decade despite putting up barely the resistance of a wet paper bag in run defense.

Do you really think that Drew Brees forgot how to throw the football in the offseason? That their WRs have forgotten how to run routes? Has any personnel changed in their offense besides losing Mike Bell?

To be honest with you, do you think there's any precedent for the 49ers winning a game like this? The only team that Mike Singletary's 49ers have upset is... us.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

It's fun to carelessly toss out a prediction of upset... heck, you can do that each week to get your jollies... However, what I don't get is if you don't like the Saints team you saw in week 1, why would you like the 9ers team you saw in week 1?? You seem to be giving the 9ers the ability to be something different in week 2, but not the Saints? And it's the Saints that won, against a quality team and have now had 10 days rest. Whereas the 9ers are coming off a crushing loss to a craptastic team, while dealing with all sorts of mayhem in the aftermath...
Sure - make an upset prediction... In keeping with that theme, I predict that at some point this year, there will be more upsets! Man that's fun!

Again i laid out the points why I think the Niners will win the game. You dont like it or believe it, thats fine. I am not here to change your mind.

However, the saints team I saw in week one was/is a good team and have more talent then the Niners. But I just believe the Niners need this game more and will come out fired up. But like you said, thats not enough...and I agree. Thats why I said I believe the Niners will have some success on the ground against the Saints and Gore will keep them in this game.

By the way, did you watch the Seahawks/Niners game? I believe 2-3 plays made that win possible for Seattle. If its 14-0 first quarter the Hawks lay down and die. Instead they settle for field goals. I dont think the Niners are as "dead" as some of you have predicted and I dont believe the Saints are as "great"-especially on the road- as some of you think too.

Just becuase you dont believe the reasons I give for an upset doesnt mean they are being "carlessly" tossed about. But hey, I live in Vegas, so I am always up for a bet. When your stones drop, let me know and we can talk!

 

[82CardsGrad]

Again i laid out the points why I think the Niners will win the game. You dont like it or believe it, thats fine. I am not here to change your mind.

However, the saints team I saw in week one was/is a good team and have more talent then the Niners. But I just believe the Niners need this game more and will come out fired up. But like you said, thats not enough...and I agree. Thats why I said I believe the Niners will have some success on the ground against the Saints and Gore will keep them in this game.

By the way, did you watch the Seahawks/Niners game? I believe 2-3 plays made that win possible for Seattle. If its 14-0 first quarter the Hawks lay down and die. Instead they settle for field goals. I dont think the Niners are as "dead" as some of you have predicted and I dont believe the Saints are as "great"-especially on the road- as some of you think too.

Just becuase you dont believe the reasons I give for an upset doesnt mean they are being "carlessly" tossed about. But hey, I live in Vegas, so I am always up for a bet. When your stones drop, let me know and we can talk!

Stopped betting on football long ago...

However, I would say that the chances are far greater that the Saints go up 14-0 than the 9ers... I honestly can't imagine a scenario that would see the 9ers jump out to that sort of lead, barring any once in a lifetime, fluke events. Just won't happen. At best, the 9ers will do well to keep the score within a Touchdown at the half. But I actually see this being more like a 21-7 score in favor of the Saints at the half. And a final score of something like 31-17, Saints win.
We'll see...

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

We're not saying that there's no way the Saints lose this game. It sounds like you're saying that you believe there's no way the Saints win this game. I'm just not sure that "intangibles" (which it sounds like even you admit are the only thing that the 49ers have on their side) are enough to beat the defending Super Bowl champions, even if they are on the road.

The Saints passing game can put a ton of pressure on any running offense. You go up 14 points, and I don't care if Frank Gore is averaging 6.4 ypc, you're going to have to go away from your run game. That's how Indy has managed to be so successful for the last decade despite putting up barely the resistance of a wet paper bag in run defense.

Do you really think that Drew Brees forgot how to throw the football in the offseason? That their WRs have forgotten how to run routes? Has any personnel changed in their offense besides losing Mike Bell?

To be honest with you, do you think there's any precedent for the 49ers winning a game like this? The only team that Mike Singletary's 49ers have upset is... us.

Yeah thats exactly what Im saying. The Niners cannot lose this game!

I said that the Niners are being written off by a lot of folks int he media after having lost to the Seahawks. I am saying that I think Frank Gore can have some success against this team and I am saying that if the Saints are going to allow themselves to complete 27 passes for 230 yards (with 50 yards of that coming on 2 plays) then the Niners will beat them.

I have spent too much time debating the Niners and Saints. By the way the spread has been bet down from 6.5 to 5.5, so someone besides me likes the Niners

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Stopped betting on football long ago...

However, I would say that the chances are far greater that the Saints go up 14-0 than the 9ers... I honestly can't imagine a scenario that would see the 9ers jump out to that sort of lead, barring any once in a lifetime, fluke events. Just won't happen. At best, the 9ers will do well to keep the score within a Touchdown at the half. But I actually see this being more like a 21-7 score in favor of the Saints at the half. And a final score of something like 31-17, Saints win.
We'll see...

Fair enough. We can revisit this thread after the game.

disclaimer: I kinda win either way here. As a Cards fan I obviosuly dont want the Niners to win.

 

[Redheart]

I think the implosion of the 49'rs is a bit pre-mature; but I am cheering for it.

I further believe that they will start the season 0-2. I will watch with interest what happens then.

 

[Redheart]

Wow. The 'niners board is a brushfire this morning!

I love the smell of burning 'niner in the morning, it smells like...victory!

 

[Cardiac]

Wow. The 'niners board is a brushfire this morning!

I love the smell of burning 'niner in the morning, it smells like...victory!

5/5

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How is SF going to jump on them early? Are they going to force some three and outs? Who is going to score for the 49ers? Brett Favre looked average against them, and now you're talking about Alex Smith?

I guess anything's possible, but the Saints offense was firmly in control of that game the entire time; Brees and Payton took their foot off the gas once they realized how inept the Vikings offense actually was. Maybe the 49ers defense can contain the Saints passing attack (although not many teams have been able to so far--shoot, Matt Ryan and the Falcons went into San Francisco last season in Week 5 and laid a 45-10 beat-down on the 49ers), but I don't think that the offense is going to be able to dominate the Saints defense (which is in some ways underrated).

Do you really think that San Francisco is the more talented team there? Because if it comes down to coaching, do you want to take Mike Singletary over Sean Payton?

I thought their offense was anemic. Wasn't good at all outside of the opening drive that scored a TD. (that I wasn't able to watch)

 

[D-Dogg]

There is no way on any planet in any solar system in any galaxy in the universe that the 49ers O' Turmoil beat the Saints on Monday night.

Book it.

 

[gohard83]

There is no way on any planet in any solar system in any galaxy in the universe that the 49ers O' Turmoil beat the Saints on Monday night.

Book it.

You wanna sig bet that? I guarantee a W against the Saints this week for the Niners.

 

[D-Dogg]

You wanna sig bet that? I guarantee a W against the Saints this week for the Niners.

Yes, if the Niners win, I'll change my sig.

If the Saints win, you go away forever.

Deal?

 

[gohard83]

Yes, if the Niners win, I'll change my sig.

If the Saints win, you go away forever.

Deal?

OK, if we win, you have to change your sig to what I want for the remainder of the season. If we lose, I will not post here ever again.

 

[CaptTurbo]

You wanna sig bet that? I guarantee a W against the Saints this week for the Niners.

Damn nevermind u bet already.

 

[gohard83]

Damn nevermind u bet already.

I will bet you if he's scared.

The Saints are beatable, especially with the 49ers playing at home. Tampa Bay beat them last year.

 

[desertdawg]