4th and 4!

[black]

Warner yelling at a coach is wrong. Haley should have benched that no good for nothing son of a buck for a........ LOL

 

[dreamcastrocks]

DCR I am not so sure its just Warner, the playcalling yesterday was strange all day long. I mean why are we not throwing the ball and trying to get up early like we did last week? Then after you get a lead start running the ball not the other way around. The decision not to go for it was so wrong I couldn't believe the punt team was coming out then I was thinking fake punt....nope just giving the game away without trying made me sick. Maybe the single worst decision I have seen from Whiz since he has been here. If we score the momentum would have been in our favor, we have to give ourselves a chance to win not just kick it away with 2:40 or whatever on the clock.

I'm not sure if it was KW either. I know he scrambed out of the pocket to buy more time exactly once in the game, and that was late. He has no internal clock that should be going off after about 3 seconds in the pocket.

I was disappointed in his game last night. I think Leinart has just as good of a shot to win any given game as KW.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/21/AR2008092101815_pf.html

This may help explain alot about our passing game against Washingtion.

They are going to see much more of this (teams playing 2 or 3 deep) in the coming weeks. They need a good playaction game to counter 3 deep safeties.

 

[Longcolts]

They are going to see much more of this (teams playing 2 or 3 deep) in the coming weeks. They need a good playaction game to counter 3 deep safeties.

Intermediate slants wouldn't hurt either.

 

[nashman]

Well DCR I would totally disagree with that last statement. Leinart I think will be good but he does not have the skillset and smarts that KW has at this point, no way does he give us just as good of a shot! They keyed on the recievers and kept them in check but come on we could have ran the ball that last series but no they call 2 pass plays on 2nd and 3rd down and throw to friggin Hightower instead of Fitz or Boldin slants or something, just bad playcalling yesterday in many cases.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Intermediate slants wouldn't hurt either.

Slants are the hardest pass play to defend in football.

I mentioned this on the TD pass to Boldin.

 

[JeffGollin]

It didn't work (we didn't get the ball back) so it was a lousy decision.

If we had gotten the ball back and scored, it would have been a brilliant decision.

That's show biz.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Well DCR I would totally disagree with that last statement. Leinart I think will be good but he does not have the skillset and smarts that KW has at this point, no way does he give us just as good of a shot! They keyed on the recievers and kept them in check but come on we could have ran the ball that last series but no they call 2 pass plays on 2nd and 3rd down and throw to friggin Hightower instead of Fitz or Boldin slants or something, just bad playcalling yesterday in many cases.

Both passes to Hightower were checkdowns IIRC. I don't think that Boldin or Fitz ran any slants on those two passes either.

 

[Longcolts]

Do we have any linemen that can get out on a screen play? What ever happened to the Wide Out screen? And wouldn't Boldin be the perfect WR to run that play with?

 

[nashman]

It was a dumb decision to even risk letting your D hold them instead of just going for it while you still HAVE the ball, not enough time to try to stop and then get the ball back, terrible, terrible, terrible decision by Whiz.

 

[nashman]

DCR even if they were checkdowns thats what I am saying the play calling there as well in other parts of the game was whacked, did not make sense, sucked! I mean what the hell are you doing there if not at least get a first down the game was almost over you have to at least get first downs, throw a friggin slant or run Edge or HT on the 2nd or 3rd and short I mean make it shorter, if it was 4th down and a half a yard or a yard that decision changes right?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Do we have any linemen that can get out on a screen play?

Nope.

What ever happened to the Wide Out screen?

It was there. Fitz and even Rolle were in on them. I guess you could consider Urban too they did a double throw on what was a WR screen.

And wouldn't Boldin be the perfect WR to run that play with?

I'd actually prefer a speedy WR that can get the pass and immediately move up the field. Boldin would be a very nice 2nd option.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

DCR even if they were checkdowns thats what I am saying the play calling there as well in other parts of the game was whacked, did not make sense, sucked! I mean what the hell are you doing there if not at least get a first down the game was almost over you have to at least get first downs, throw a friggin slant or run Edge or HT on the 2nd or 3rd and short I mean make it shorter, if it was 4th down and a half a yard or a yard that decision changes right?

I personally would have run it on 3rd down. This would have given us a much better chance to pick up 4th down. Although Whiz said he never even consider going for it on 4th, so who knows if he would have considered a 4th and 2 for example. I was surpised I didn't see any out routes either.

 

[gusmahler]

It didn't work (we didn't get the ball back) so it was a lousy decision.

If we had gotten the ball back and scored, it would have been a brilliant decision.

That's show biz.

Not everyone here is results oriented. Even if we had gotten the ball back, it was a bad decision to punt. It's just that most would have forgotten about it if got the ball back. Just because there wouldn't have been an 89 post thread about it doesn't mean it would have been a good decision.

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/21/AR2008092101815_pf.html

This may help explain alot about our passing game against Washingtion.

Good article but let's not forget one lucky deflection and one iffy delay of game call or that 192 yards is 230+ and no INT's with 2 TD's.

 

[Russ Smith]

They are going to see much more of this (teams playing 2 or 3 deep) in the coming weeks. They need a good playaction game to counter 3 deep safeties.

That and use the RB and TE's more under the safeties.

He's still playing well and protecting the ball well(that pick was bad luck) but now he's got to adjust to what teams are giving us.

 

[slanidrac16]

We should all keep in mind....

even if we had gone for it on 4th down, (which I believed we should have) , keep in mind,

1. There is no guarantee we would have made it.
2. Even if we made it we still had 50 yards to go. Making that 4th down doesn't guarantee anything would have changed.

I'm only trying to keep things in perspective noting the outcome was still in doubt.
That being said , it hurts when the shooting is over and you still have bullets left.

 

[gusmahler]

even if we had gone for it on 4th down, (which I believed we should have) , keep in mind,

1. There is no guarantee we would have made it.
2. Even if we made it we still had 50 yards to go. Making that 4th down doesn't guarantee anything would have changed.

All that is understood. No one here is saying that going for it would have meant an automatic win for us. Heck, even if we scored a TD and kicked the XP, we would still have to win in OT.

What people here are saying is that, from a pure expected win perspective, there is a better chance of winning 4th and 4 from our 48 with 2:38 left than there is 1st and 10 from our 40 with 1:38 left.

 

[slanidrac16]

All that is understood. No one here is saying that going for it would have meant an automatic win for us. Heck, even if we scored a TD and kicked the XP, we would still have to win in OT.

What people here are saying is that, from a pure expected win perspective, there is a better chance of winning 4th and 4 from our 48 with 2:38 left than there is 1st and 10 from our 40 with 1:38 left.

You're preaching to the choir. From the moment Warner started trotting off the field, I jumped up and said," What the hell are we doing?".

Whiz has done a very credible job since he came here. To think he will never make a mistake is unreal and unfair. I'm trying hard to understand his decision. I understand his logic, but I ( most of us) simply don't agree with it. However, I'm not going to throw him under the bus.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You're preaching to the choir. From the moment Warner started trotting off the field, I jumped up and said," What the hell are we doing?".

Whiz has done a very credible job since he came here. To think he will never make a mistake is unreal and unfair. I'm trying hard to understand his decision. I understand his logic, but I ( most of us) simply don't agree with it. However, I'm not going to throw him under the bus.

I had a hard time even understanding his logic. I just listenened to the Monday Presser, and he said that "It would have been impossible to score if we are on inside our 20 yard line and had to go the length of the field without a timeout and less than 2 minutes to play." (paraphrasing)

With spiking of the ball, out patterns, etc. an effective offense can score with about 1:30 left in the game. Whiz got this one wrong, plain and simple.

He did try to soften his stance, saying that it would have been difficult.

 

[gusmahler]

I had a hard time even understanding his logic. I just listenened to the Monday Presser, and he said that "It would have been impossible to score if we are on inside our 20 yard line and had to go the length of the field without a timeout and less than 2 minutes to play." (paraphrasing)

How does this help his position? It completely undermines his decision to punt.