$5.0m trade exception

[PhxGametime]

Weren't the Suns rumored to being going after Darko?


I would throw in contracts around $3 million, not sure if the other teams would be interested but players like Speedy Claxton are in the 3 Million area, etc.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think that he will thrive, but the Hawks won't win.

that's the way I see it. He'll probably score about 24 points to go along with 5 rebounds and 6 assists. He'll have about 2-3 turnovers per game, into shooting percentage, especially from beyond the arc, will drop. I think he'll average about 42% from the field and 39% from three-point land.

I don't see him making the Atlanta Hawks a very good team though.

At this point we are better off just using the mid-level exception to sign Bell. There really aren't any great free agents left to be had this summer, and the trade exception should be good through next summer.

Joe Mama

 

[jed]

I'm betting we don't use this trade exception anytime soon -- if at all.

 

[mribnik]

Am I the only person that remembers JJ from 2-3 years ago? He showed falshes and thats it then this year he finally became consistent.

We don't know if it was him actually growing up or just a function of the offense. I know emotions are a little tense at the moment but don't act like JJ is Jordan or something

As a Dodger fan, this whole thing reminds me of the Adrian Beltre situation. He had an amazing year last year, but that was his only great consistent year. The other years he showed flashes. The dodgers don't sign him, he goes to the Mariners, and now he's hitting .256 with 12 homers and an OBP under .300. I think JJ will do relatively better than that, but the whole Beltre situation reminds me of this one.

 

[virtual9]

I'm betting we don't use this trade exception anytime soon -- if at all.

If we don't, we're screwed.

And Sarver's going to be out at least one Suns fan.

 

[scotsman13]

i think i know of a player that could help us out a good deal and i hear he is on the market and he just happens to have about the same contract that we have in the trade exception. Radoslav Nesterovic has shown to be a good back up to duncan. is a little slow afoot but with the size to guard the bigger centers that face.

 

[fordronken]

Washington is over loaded at point guard now. What about our trade exception and a second round pick for Chucky Atkins?

 

[jlove]

Use half the Trade Exemption plus Barbosa to New Orleans for Dickau (S&T), and then the other half and a 1st round pick to Milwaukee for Pachulia. Or we can trade Barbosa PLUS the Exemption for a player that makes just under $6 mil.

 

[coloradosun]

I had the same thought here. Great minds think alike.

Is it too late to revoke BC's Executive of the Year award? This is largely Sarver's fault (not extending and not matching), but Bryan Colangelo should have seen this coming.

This whole fiasco started with the trading of the pick that could have turned out to be Iggy. Trying to create more cap space for FA's when either Deng or Iggy would have been good selections and a smaller hit on the cap.

Then signing Q when Johnson's deal could have been sewn up. That was an indirect slap at JJ.

Then trading for Jim Jackson (Johnson might have saw this as a threat for being traded or not matched, Jackson also took away some of JJ1 point guard responsibilities).

Trading Q might have relieved some spite but may have been too late.

Then the Suns committed to Raja Bell so quickly could have been the nail in the coffin. It was amazing how quickly they acted on that but took their time negotiating with JJ. That might have been a hit on JJ defense, something where Amare's comments might have had repercussions.

Insecure minds read more into some things than others.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I would have been very happy with Iggy on a rookie contract and JJ signed for 55-60M. FA this summer would have been the place to add a big.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Use half the Trade Exemption plus Barbosa to New Orleans for Dickau (S&T), and then the other half and a 1st round pick to Milwaukee for Pachulia. Or we can trade Barbosa PLUS the Exemption for a player that makes just under $6 mil.

You can't split it up like that. Nor can you combine it with another player in a deal.

 

[jlove]

According to the CBA and other posters, you can mix and match the Trade Exemption, just as you can with any exemption, you just can't use 2 exemptions together. And yes you can trade a player and opr picks with them as well. How do you think we're getting the trade exemption, Diaw and picks for JJ?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

According to the CBA and other posters, you can mix and match the Trade Exemption, just as you can with any exemption, you just can't use 2 exemptions together. And yes you can trade a player and opr picks with them as well. How do you think we're getting the trade exemption, Diaw and picks for JJ?

the 25% rule is an exception.

Proof:

There are some common misconceptions about this exception. For one, teams cannot use this exception to sign free agents; it can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. For another, teams cannot combine this exception with the 115% plus $100,000 margin from the assigned player exception in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, while a $2 million player can be traded for a $2.4 million player using the assigned player exception, a team with a $1 million trade exception cannot combine the two together and trade their $2 million player for a $3.4 million player (see question number 71 for more information on combining exceptions).



Here is a more complicated example of a legal trade using the traded player exception: A team has a $4 million trade exception from an earlier trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Another team has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $6 million, and the two teams want to do a three-for-one trade with these players. This is legal -- the $5 million and $6 million players together make less than the 115% plus $100,000 allowed for the $10 million player ($11,600,000), and the $4 million player exactly fits within the $4 million trade exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous trade, leaving the two teams trading a $10 million player for a $5 million and a $6 million player.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

From another thread:

We aren't getting a trade exception in the deal. Those reports are based on faulty knowledge by reporters.

Trade exceptions are an automatic mechanism that is created when there is a difference in incoming and outgoing salaries within a trade.

 

[jlove]

thegrahamcrackr. What you have posted doesn't discount my trade proposals at all. You can trade a trade exemption. Say Barbosa (who's making $930k) and add that to say $2 mil of the exemption to Milwaukee for Pachulia (re-signed at @ $2.8 - $3 mil) and the trade goes down. That's what I was saying in my earlier post.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

thegrahamcrackr. What you have posted doesn't discount my trade proposals at all. You can trade a trade exemption. Say Barbosa (who's making $930k) and add that to say $2 mil of the exemption to Milwaukee for Pachulia (re-signed at @ $2.8 - $3 mil) and the trade goes down. That's what I was saying in my earlier post.

First off you can't split the exception up.

Secondly, it is possible to use a player and the exception together...

Only if the player and the exception equals EXACTLY the salary of the player you are taking back.

Get it?

 

[jlove]

Check the CBA again. You can split the exemption. And like I said add Barbosa's money 930K with say 2 mil of the exepmtion and you have a salary of 2.9 mil (re-signed Pachulia) and whalah

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Check the CBA again. You can split the exemption. And like I said add Barbosa's money 930K with say 2 mil of the exepmtion and you have a salary of 2.9 mil (re-signed Pachulia) and whalah

You are right, my bad.

I was focussing more on Colorado's posts and was thinking that this was a mirror issue so I didn't really read through it all.

You are right about splitting though.

With that said, I can't imagine them traded Pachulia for Barbosa.

 

[jlove]

It was an example Graham. What I was saying was to do something like that for Pachulia or say $3 mil of the exemption plus maybe a 1st round pick or 2 second round picks for Pachulia (S&T at 3 mil).

For the most part, what I was saying is that we can round out our roster with tradable assets that we now have. There is no reason what so ever that I would trade either of the draft picks that we get from Atlanta. One is there own that is lottery protected next year, which is where Atlanta will be. And the other pick is the Lakers (lottery protected next year and no protection is 2007). I don't see the Lakers making the playoffs this year. They haven't made the moves this summer to warrant them a spot in the playoffs, which would give us 2 top 10 picks from Atlanta in 2007.

If we are to give up a 1st round pick, it will be the Suns own pick.

 

[F-Dog]

One thing the Suns can do is use the trade exception for a Raja Bell S&T with Utah. That would leave them with their entire MLE again, which they could use on any of the remaining free agents that tickles their fancy.

I'm sure Utah would be willing to do it--for two more first-round picks.

 

[jlove]

F-Dog, I'm sure Utah would do it too if we added 2 first rounders. The Suns would be ignorant to that. However, they may do a S&T for the exemption alone. That would give them some more wiggle room to round out their roster, and it would give them something in return. It's possible.

 

[jlove]

The Suns could also send the $4 mil of the exemption to Cleveland for Gooden and then sign Payton to the vet min to back up Nash. Maybe give the Cavs a second round pick to get it to go or send them the Suns 1st next year with Barbosa for Luke Jackson.

 

[PakistaniRambo]

i think gooden would be a good fit for us, he would own as a backup in my opinion. and not that we can really afford him, but i've always like trenton hasell, he's a great defender w/ an underrated offensive game. plus he's best friends with marion.

 

[jlove]

Or send the full exemption to Charlotte along with a couple of second round picks to Charlotte for Ely ($2.4 mil) and Kapono (S&T for $2.5 mil). That would give the Suns another big body that can play the 4 or 5 and another shooter that plays to 2/3.

Or $3.5 mil of the exemption + Barbosa to Houston for Sura. He's another guy that would solidify our outside shot, defense and can run the team at the point or SG.

Another good deal would be to send $3 mil of the exemption and some draft picks to New Orleans for David West ($1.3 mil) and Jacobsen ($1.7 mil in a S&T) Again another big body that can run with the Suns and another shooter that knows our offense in Jacobsen.

 

[asudevil83]

just a thought here, but would something like this work?

$2mil Voskuhl exemption + 2nd Rounder for a S&T Payton at 2 years $4mil.

then packaging Jackson with a the JJ exemption to grab someone. Walker at 4 years $28mil anyone? i'm not necessarily advocating that, but that exemption could be valuable to us.

that would move Thomas to the primary backup role at both the C and PF slot. Marion would probably play backup PF for a few minutes per night.

and picking up Finley would help ALOT.

Amare/Thomas
Walker/Thomas/Marion
Marion/Diaw
Finley/Bell
Nash/Payton/Barbs

we'd be a competative team next season. i would probably hope that we dont get either of the hawks picks next season, but the season after, with 3 Firsts, and probably 2 of them lotto bound, we'd be in a nice position.

 

[jlove]

ASU, why give up our $2 mil Voskul exemption and a 2nd rounder for Payton, when we can get him at the vets min as it stands now. Boston IS NOT going to get him back. He won't go back to the Lakers becaus ehis stint with them wasn't what he likes (i.e. Triangle, Kobe, Phil), and Sacramento is not going to be a contender. So, the Suns are the only other team he mentioned as a possibility, therefore he should be a no brainer to sign for the Min.

Now, with that said, we could do the exemption plus Barbosa for Walker (S&T @ 5.8 mil for 2-4 years. Walker could flourish in our system, he can play the 3 behind Marion, the 4 behind Amare and KT. He spreads the floor with the 3 ball, he posts with the best of them, and he can board. Good looking out on that front though ASU. Boston might be more inclined to do a deal to a Western Conference team than to do a S&T with the Eastern Conference.