8 beanie carries?

[THESMEL]

first RB fumble of the year for the Cardinals, 8 Beanie carries 4.1 average, 10 total RB carries, You want to know about the starting of all our problems- it starts there. Mike miller couldn't land a job in a college. Time of possesion- young QB being keyed on, destroyed- names and numbers change but same results-

YOU HAVE TO RUN THE BALL IN THE NFL! IF OUR COACHES, HAVE NOT GOT A CLUE- don't let door hit you where te good lord split you.

I'm ready for a little Marty Ball.

 

[saj4423]

You have to have the ball to be able to run it. Turnovers and 49er drives kept the ball out of the Cards hands so there was no way to run it.

 

[kerouac9]

You have to have the ball to be able to run it. Turnovers and 49er drives kept the ball out of the Cards hands so there was no way to run it.

We had five or six possessions in the first half, when we were still within shouting distance, and because of missed field goals, we weren't in terrible field position each time.

But we still elected to take our second-year 5th round pick and have him pass 2/3 of the time. Makes no sense if you're actually trying to win the football game.

 

[gmabel830]

Agree with everything said 100%, but I wonder how healthy Beanie is at this point and if you can get 20+ carries out of the guy with his knee problems. I also wonder how differently things would have turned out if we had a 1-2 punch of Beanie and RWill.

 

[DeAnna]

Is Beanie's knee still bothering him? Last game he wasn't 100%

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Is Beanie's knee still bothering him? Last game he wasn't 100%

From watching, it didn't seem like his knee was an issue. I think he looked as powerful and explosive as he did early in the year. It's probably the first time I have thought that since he was hurt.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Whiz said a case can certainly be made that they should've run the ball more. However, apparently, there were plays that were "there to be made"... and, as usual, we didn't make them. It seems Whiz is either incredibly stubborn and refuses to accept the fact that even though "plays are there to be made", we don't have the QB who can make those plays, or, he simply possesses blind faith in trust in the "system" and regardless of who's in, the play-calling will not change...

 

[DoTheDew]

I agree for the most part, but I'd like to point out that up until the "drive" in the last minute of the second half when we were in hurry up, the run-pass ratio was 7 to 10. That's perfectly acceptable, especially against the 49ers who have the #1 run defense and the #20something pass defense.

In the 2nd half, it was already 16-0 when we got the ball the first time. We threw 2 passes and got picked. After that it was a foregone conclusion that we'd be passing, down 23-0.

Point is, we should have run more but would have if Skelton wasn't so terrible.

 

[Phrazbit]

Whiz said a case can certainly be made that they should've run the ball more. However, apparently, there were plays that were "there to be made"... and, as usual, we didn't make them. It seems Whiz is either incredibly stubborn and refuses to accept the fact that even though "plays are there to be made", we don't have the QB who can make those plays, or, he simply possesses blind faith in trust in the "system" and regardless of who's in, the play-calling will not change...

"Our young QB is really struggling and our running game is putting up 4 yards per carry, its 2nd and two... perfect time for shotgun with an empty backfield."

 

[DeAnna]

I answered my own question - from Ken Somers blog:

RB Beanie Wells playing time is being managed. That's why we're not seeing him in consecutive possessions much. Wells continues to be hampered by a knee problem, the nature of which has not been disclosed. The Cardinals change a lot formationally when Wells isn't in the game. With LaRod Stephens-Howling or Chester Taylor, they use more one-back sets.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I heard they wanted to have Taylor run more to keep the load off of Beanie, but due to the shortened off-season and the drastic change from the Bears scheme, Taylor hasn't been able to pick up this offense as quickly as they had hoped. Whiz believes that Taylor will be ready to take a hand-off and run towards the end zone more effectively in the next 3-4 weeks.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I heard they wanted to have Taylor run more to keep the load off of Beanie, but due to the shortened off-season and the drastic change from the Bears scheme, Taylor hasn't been able to pick up this offense as quickly as they had hoped. Whiz believes that Taylor will be ready to take a hand-off and run towards the end zone more effectively in the next 3-4 weeks.

So tired of this excuse coming from Cardinal land; RB is the easiest position in Football to pick up...Our coaches suck that is the only explaination.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

So tired of this excuse coming from Cardinal land; RB is the easiest position in Football to pick up...Our coaches suck that is the only explaination.

I hope you know I was being sarcastic

 

[GatorAZ]

If Beanie has a good game he's a top 10 back

If Beanie has a bad game it's the OL or coaches fault

If Beanie gets hurt it's because he runs hard

BEANIE WELLS CAN DO NO WRONG!

 

[Brewster10]

Stop wasting your time. This team will never run with this idiot coach. Doesn't matter how inept the QB is or the pass protection, he will continue to throw the ball out of his gimmick formations.

When Beanie fumbled you knew that was it for the day as far as running the ball. This HC and offensive staff are an embarrassment. Can't believe we have to put up with this for at least another season.

 

[Dayman]

We ran the ball 11 times out of 48 plays yesterday. That includes a total of 3 running plays in the second half, which netted 48 yards. I don't care who's running the ball. In a game where you lose the TOP battle 44:16-15:44, attempting 3 runs in the second half is kind of ludicrous.

Since Kolb went down, we've passed the ball 67% of the time (119 passes/57 rushes). And the games were close for all but 2 of the 12 quarters of those three games. Beanie's knee is no longer an excuse. If there aren't any backs on the roster capable of handling 10 carries a game, go find one. Or at least try. We didn't go after Slaton or Choice. We didn't work out Kevin Smith, to my knowledge. We didn't try to sign Ogbonnaya off the Texans' practice squad. Instead, the FO essentially shut down when the season started, so we're left with an injured Beanie and a few guys Whis obviously doesn't trust.

Our offense is 31st in TOP per game. Our defense has been on the field for more plays than any other defense in the league. It's way past time to adjust the system.

 

[D-Dogg]

Beanie was looking pretty good against a stout run defense, but we didn't hold on to the ball long enough (once beanie's fault too) to actually get a rhythm running.

 

[LarryStalling]

We ran the ball 11 times out of 48 plays yesterday. That includes a total of 3 running plays in the second half, which netted 48 yards. I don't care who's running the ball. In a game where you lose the TOP battle 44:16-15:44, attempting 3 runs in the second half is kind of ludicrous.

Since Kolb went down, we've passed the ball 67% of the time (119 passes/57 rushes). And the games were close for all but 2 of the 12 quarters of those three games. Beanie's knee is no longer an excuse. If there aren't any backs on the roster capable of handling 10 carries a game, go find one. Or at least try. We didn't go after Slaton or Choice. We didn't work out Kevin Smith, to my knowledge. We didn't try to sign Ogbonnaya off the Texans' practice squad. Instead, the FO essentially shut down when the season started, so we're left with an injured Beanie and a few guys Whis obviously doesn't trust.

Our offense is 31st in TOP per game. Our defense has been on the field for more plays than any other defense in the league. It's way past time to adjust the system.

This is one of my biggest gripes with the team. The defense stays on the field way too long. Whether it is because the coaching staff does not take adjust to what the other team is giving us or we just don't handle it very well, I don't know. The way it appears to me is that the staff does not make any adjustments until late in the third quarter or the fourth quarter when they enter the panic mode. The reluctance of the team yesterday to run the ball when the 49'ers were obviously daring us to do it has to make you scratch your head. I wonder if they had some word that Beanie was going to be used sparingly because they did not want to expose his knee to further problems. The lack of adjustments just befuddles me.

 

[Brian]

SF has a STOUT run defense and a questionable pass defense. That is why they tried to run so little. Not my words, Coach said so on Doug and Wolf.

My issue: I give a flying eff what the "stats" say. If Beanie is ripping off 5 YPC during the game, than KEEP RUNNING THE DAMN BALL!!!!!

 

[earthsci]

DeAnna posted why we weren't running Beanie more in post #10. We didn't run Beanie more because he's hurt.

 

[kerouac9]

DeAnna posted why we weren't running Beanie more in post #10. We didn't run Beanie more because he's hurt.

Sez Whis. Whis also said that he felt that we had a decided strategic advantage putting the ball in John Skelton's hands over and over again.

I'll trust my eyes over what Whis says to the softest of softball questions from the guys at 620.

 

[JeffGollin]

Beanie was looking pretty good against a stout run defense, but we didn't hold on to the ball long enough (once beanie's fault too) to actually get a rhythm running.

SF's run defense was ranked no. 1 or 2 going into that game. When that happens, sometimes you take what the defense appears to be giving you.

That plus only possessing the ball for something like 15:15 out of 60:00 minutes.

 

[THESMEL]

We didn't run anybody more before the Bean either- He is not 8 carry hurt? Whis was not only stupid this week He has been stupid every since Matt went down in 2007- The Cardinals have passed more than any team in history.

when we had the talent to win solid every week in 2008, Whiz and haley designed a collapse and started running the Edge again the last week against Seattle and through the playoffs, until Whiz got stupid agasin in the SB.

I started feeling better about Whiz balancing it up this year, thought maybe he learned from that aborted season last year. It is not the QB it is not Matt, Max. Kevin, DA. It is the position to fail they have stayed in as a Arizona Cardinal.

I said it early in often and it so far beyond fact it is a greek tragedy. sustained stupidness it a aint a 1 game- 1 season thing- it is ongoing and hiring Mike Miller? Chris Miller?

Kevin Spenser is the most qualified coach on this team- including Whiz.
I don't even feel sorry for Whiz anymore. Sorrow and sadness is worn out.

Whiz is plain wrong for not running the ball, starting THT over Edge and beanie cause the was a willing pass blocker, He was not better than Edge at pass blocking- He was a willing 5th round draft pick happy to be on the field as the worse starting RUSHER in the NFL for 3 years.

Simple fix, Whiz won't do it,

 

[CFLredzoned]

I'll trust my eyes over what Whis says to the softest of softball questions from the guys at 620.

I wonder if they "shot up" that knee before the game. That would explain why Beanie looked fine. If that was the case, they knew they were on borrowed time and had to be extremely careful. That would explain why, before the game, they already rationed out how many carries Beanie would get. If they let him keep going, being numb to the pain and all, he could have done some serious damage. That is assuming that they "shot up" the knee of course.

By the way, where was Alfonso? We should have been able to use him as an extra body - or at least use his speed on swing passes out of the backfield. According to somebody (forgot who), that's one way to counter max coverage schemes.

 

[D-Dogg]

SF's run defense was ranked no. 1 or 2 going into that game. When that happens, sometimes you take what the defense appears to be giving you.

That plus only possessing the ball for something like 15:15 out of 60:00 minutes.

You're agreeing with me, right?