A Big Bluff could get us an additional 3rd or 4th Rounder

[SissyBoyFloyd]

If Geno is on the board when it gets to us at 7, and we aren't taking him, we first give the Bills a call and suggest to them that we are about to go to the Jets for a trade of 1st rounders so they can take Smith. Tell the Bills that if they wanted to draft him, they could swap 1sts with us before the Jets for an additional 3rd rounder.

If they are not interested, then we go ahead and call the Jets and make them the same offer in case they are worried that the Bills are going to take him ahead of them. Motivate them by telling them that we are already in conversation with the Bills regarding trading picks before they, the Jets, do.

We lose nothing dropping back one or two places to pick up another solid pick.

 

[Goldfield]

If Kiem doesn't think Geno Smith is the franchise QB we need I am all for a trade back. I just don't think we are in a position to be picky when it comes to the QB position. It is our biggest need and Geno (if there) is the top one in the draft. How do we pass on that?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If Kiem doesn't think Geno Smith is the franchise QB we need I am all for a trade back. I just don't think we are in a position to be picky when it comes to the QB position. It is our biggest need and Geno (if there) is the top one in the draft. How do we pass on that?

Your first sentence should answer your question. I am for drafting Geno or going elsewhere if he is there. They are only going to draft him if they truly believe that they can turn him into a franchise QB within a couple years.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Well, I am totally neutral about Geno. I will be excited if we take him at 7, but would not be disappointed in the least if we don't think he is our man, especially if coach feels Stanton is a better fit for us.

But I do think that if he is there when we pick, we can maneuver another high draft choice out of someone who does covet him. So we can't lose no matter what we do, IF he is there at 7.

I think I would be all for making a wild trade for the rights to him. Maybe the Jags, Jets, or Bills would offer something like their high 2nd and 3rd rounders this year, plus their 1st and 2nd or 3rd next year. They would keep their high 1st and have our high first also this year. That would make them instantly stronger. It would give us 2 high 2s and 3s this year in a good deep draft, plus we recoup our first giving us 2 firsts next year plus 2nds or 3rds next year. I would go for that too. I actually think 2 high 2s and 3s this year maybe better than just our 1st and 2nd, giving us 4 high picks instead of just 2. Then next year we have 2 ones to get our QB with.

I would bet there is a team that would go for this latter deal of having 2 high firsts this year.

 

[WildBB]

Well, I am totally neutral about Geno. I will be excited if we take him at 7, but would not be disappointed in the least if we don't think he is our man, especially if coach feels Stanton is a better fit for us.

But I do think that if he is there when we pick, we can maneuver another high draft choice out of someone who does covet him. So we can't lose no matter what we do, IF he is there at 7.

I think I would be all for making a wild trade for the rights to him. Maybe the Jags, Jets, or Bills would offer something like their high 2nd and 3rd rounders this year, plus their 1st and 2nd or 3rd next year. They would keep their high 1st and have our high first also this year. That would make them instantly stronger. It would give us 2 high 2s and 3s this year in a good deep draft, plus we recoup our first giving us 2 firsts next year plus 2nds or 3rds next year. I would go for that too. I actually think 2 high 2s and 3s this year maybe better than just our 1st and 2nd, giving us 4 high picks instead of just 2. Then next year we have 2 ones to get our QB with.

I would bet there is a team that would go for this latter deal of having 2 high firsts this year.

Why would the Jags do that? If they want him they just take him 2nd.

Likewise the Bills and Jets would jump ahead of us if they're targeting Smith. They're not waiting around to see if he makes it to us.

 

[PJ1]

Well, I am totally neutral about Geno. I will be excited if we take him at 7, but would not be disappointed in the least if we don't think he is our man, especially if coach feels Stanton is a better fit for us.

If the Cards don't believe Geno is the guy I am also fine with that. However, I have a huge problem if they believe Stanton is the guy.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Why would the Jags do that? If they want him they just take him 2nd.

Likewise the Bills and Jets would jump ahead of us if they're targeting Smith. They're not waiting around to see if he makes it to us.

Very easy.....they take a great player with their higher pick and then realize they could get Geno at 7 if he were there. Pick up the 7th pick also and their franchise QB for a 2nd and 3rd rounder and next year's 1st. A good deal if they want to make a statement this year and would like to have Geno to go along with the great player they took with their first pick.

Not a bad way to do it being them. And works for Cards too, both this year and next.

 

[jw7]

No. This is the year to draft line and go for a QB in 2014.

If Warmack is still there at 7 or Fischer, I'd be happy.

Seattle and SF are just too talented in 2013 to even stretch for skill players right now.

 

[Cardiac]

Why would the Jags do that? If they want him they just take him 2nd.

Likewise the Bills and Jets would jump ahead of us if they're targeting Smith. They're not waiting around to see if he makes it to us.

This.

 

[Bodha]

BA has all but written in the stars that Stanton is our QB.



So you can pretty much throw out any plans of bluffing anyone with QB talk. It does bug me hes been so vocal about "Stantons our man" because there was a possibility of leveraging Geno a few months back.

No longer the case

 

[WisconsinCard]

If Geno is on the board when it gets to us at 7, and we aren't taking him, we first give the Bills a call and suggest to them that we are about to go to the Jets for a trade of 1st rounders so they can take Smith. Tell the Bills that if they wanted to draft him, they could swap 1sts with us before the Jets for an additional 3rd rounder.

If they are not interested, then we go ahead and call the Jets and make them the same offer in case they are worried that the Bills are going to take him ahead of them. Motivate them by telling them that we are already in conversation with the Bills regarding trading picks before they, the Jets, do.

We lose nothing dropping back one or two places to pick up another solid pick.

That is not a bluff it an out-right lie. If we were to do that and neither one calls your "bluff" then what? You look like a donkey and they'll never trust anything you say.

 

[vince56]

BA has all but written in the stars that Stanton is our QB.

Quite a few people will be shocked when the Cardinals draft an OL and an OLB with their first two picks and save the QB pick for Round 3 or 4. They're going to war with Stanton this year, battling it out with Hoyer and a rookie. Skelton may be a cut post-draft, but a hunch tells me he makes it into training camp to vie for a spot.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

That is not a bluff it an out-right lie. If we were to do that and neither one calls your "bluff" then what? You look like a donkey and they'll never trust anything you say.

Where is the lie? You are just talking to both teams regarding trading up before the other does. I don't see any deceit there at all. If either one is desirous of Geno they might not want to gamble on the other team not moving up ahead of them.

But I suppose that really isn't a bluff though. Just not waiting for one of them to call you.

 

[Finito]

I'm all for trading back and stock pilling picks, even if you move down a couple of spots you still might get Warmack and you could for sure get Jonathon Cooper. If rather have Warmack but Cooper would still be a very nice pick up

 

[john h]

If Geno is on the board when it gets to us at 7, and we aren't taking him, we first give the Bills a call and suggest to them that we are about to go to the Jets for a trade of 1st rounders so they can take Smith. Tell the Bills that if they wanted to draft him, they could swap 1sts with us before the Jets for an additional 3rd rounder.

If they are not interested, then we go ahead and call the Jets and make them the same offer in case they are worried that the Bills are going to take him ahead of them. Motivate them by telling them that we are already in conversation with the Bills regarding trading picks before they, the Jets, do.

We lose nothing dropping back one or two places to pick up another solid pick.

The big question here is do we take Geno at #7 if he is there? I do not think anyone knows that other than our top staff. If we think we can get Wilson in the 2nd round I would not draft Geno but that would be a big gamble in itself. Who we might take has really become a mystery. A QB, OT, Defensive Pass Rusher, BPA,trade, It could be any of the above. I am not much for trading but that is just me.

 

[JeffGollin]

The big question here is do we take Geno at #7 if he is there? I do not think anyone knows that other than our top staff. If we think we can get Wilson in the 2nd round I would not draft Geno but that would be a big gamble in itself. Who we might take has really become a mystery. A QB, OT, Defensive Pass Rusher, BPA,trade, It could be any of the above. I am not much for trading but that is just me.

John - Sissyboy's entire proposition is built on the premise that Geno's there at #7 but we don't want him.

As to his theory that we can use Geno as a pawn to bluff another team to trade picks with us - why not? There's nothing new in that approach.

But why stop at Geno? Perhaps there are teams out there who'd trade up to grab a Cooper, Lane Johnson or Lotoleilei (if they were available and someone in the FO really loved the guy)?

Where it gets tricky is when the Cards want more to trade down than the other team wants to give up or if the Cards were to be reluctant to trade too far down out of a talent-plateau or if the Cards had their sights set on another player that was still available at #7.

It will all boil down to events in real-time when the Cards are on the clock, how much the phone-lines are buzzing and whether there are any trade-down offers that make sense.

More often than not, these kind of deals never get done, but then too, there are typically two or three that take place in the top 15 or so; so it could happen. But I wouldn't base any mock drafts (involving money ) on that happening.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Won't work. Some loose-lips-sinks-ships kind of guy already posted it on a message board, now all the other teams know about our secret plan.

Teams maneuver all the time but we'll probably never know exactly what the Cards tried to do behind closed doors. These clubs do their diligence, they have a pretty good idea who is doing what so it's highly unlikely we can pull off a true bluff. Maybe we can get some leverage with Smith and someone else we like both being available but we'll probably never know even if it works.

Steve

 

[Cardiac]

If Geno is on the board when it gets to us at 7, and we aren't taking him, we first give the Bills a call and suggest to them that we are about to go to the Jets for a trade of 1st rounders so they can take Smith. Tell the Bills that if they wanted to draft him, they could swap 1sts with us before the Jets for an additional 3rd rounder.

If they are not interested, then we go ahead and call the Jets and make them the same offer in case they are worried that the Bills are going to take him ahead of them. Motivate them by telling them that we are already in conversation with the Bills regarding trading picks before they, the Jets, do.

We lose nothing dropping back one or two places to pick up another solid pick.

I think there is a not so fine line between good negotiating and flat out lying to teams. To think the Jets and Bills will never talk to one another about what you propose Keim says to them is a bit naïve IMHO.

Maybe it is common place in the NFL for teams to outright lie to one another but again maybe there is "GM rules" that set a line that shouldn't be crossed.