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[82CardsGrad]

Most of that talent you metioned above was on the team prior to Whiz.

Sure they were... for a year or two as a group... My point was that by the time Whiz got here, that talent that was here pre-Whiz was beginning to come together and were boosted by the addition of more quality talent and coaching.

 

[Shane]

coaching.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Man.... you are so biased...

When you are the ONLY legitimate threat to make anything happen for a team, the spotlight is always brighest on you. Pre-Whiz and pre-talent, Kurt was all we had. He was our only shot at simply being competitive... So yea - when it's all on you and you drop a ball now and then, it's gonna hurt because there is nobody else to pick up the slack... ZERO margin for error.

Why am I biased? Against or for who?

So Kurt is our only talent? Fitz, Boldin, Edge, etc have plenty to say about that. You have a statement like that and call me biased? Wow.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Indeed. Coaching up the rest of the team was huge! I feel pretty safe in saying that Kurt showed Whiz more about playing QB and running an offense that Whiz showed Kurt... In fact, in a true candid moment, I would bet Whiz would confirm this...

 

[82CardsGrad]

Why am I biased? Against or for who?

So Kurt is our only talent? Fitz, Boldin, Edge, etc have plenty to say about that. You have a statement like that and call me biased? Wow.

Dang DRC... you're incredible...

Go back and see what Fitz and Boldin did when Kurt wasn't the starting QB... get real dude...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dang DRC... you're incredible...

Go back and see what Fitz and Boldin did when Kurt wasn't the starting QB... get real dude...

You mean like Boldin holding all time records??

Not Warner QB
2003 101 receptions, 1,377 yards, 8 TDs
2005 102 receptions, 1,402 yards, 7 TDs

With Warner
2007 71 receptions, 853 yards, 9 TDs
2008 89 receptions, 1038 yards 11 TDs
2009 84 receptions 1024 yards 4 TDs

You clearly want to say that Boldin was better with Warner than without?
Get real yourself.

 

[WildBB]

Bottom line....we're building for the long haul. Yes that's going to include a little drop off short term. How much is the question.

 

[Redsz]

Even with Warner throwing to Fitz and Boldin we still went 6-10 and 5-11.

But with the arrival of Whiz, that jumped to 8-8, 9-7 and 10-6. So I'm inclined to believe that Whiz's leadership has had a significant impact.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You mean like Boldin holding all time records??

Not Warner QB
2003 101 receptions, 1,377 yards, 8 TDs
2005 102 receptions, 1,402 yards, 7 TDs

With Warner
2007 71 receptions, 853 yards, 9 TDs
2008 89 receptions, 1038 yards 11 TDs
2009 84 receptions 1024 yards 4 TDs

You clearly want to say that Boldin was better with Warner than without?
Get real yourself.

LMAO...

2003 Boldin started all 16 games and had 6.3 Receptions per Start
2005 he started 14 games and had 7.2 Receptions per Start
2007 he started 11 games and had 6.5 receptions per Start!!
2008 he started 11 games and had 8.1 Receptions per Start!!!
2009 he startted 13 games and had 6.5 Receptions per Start!!!!!

And of course, you only selected Q... With Warner, not only did Q's receptions per start increase, but Kurt also found a way to keep Fitz at or above 100 receptions a season, keep Breaston a major threat, and deal with an increasingly more productive run-game...

So, yea... GET REAL...

 

[Cardiac]

Kurt Warner is a HOF QB who had a tough stretch in the middle of his career. Limited playing time allowed him to fully recover from the concussion and finger issue. Wearing gloves helped with the hand injury. Whis coached him up on ball security and limiting TO's. With the way KW ended his career it's rather obvious that he was always talented but circumstances impacted his success for awhile. Ask yourself this, if the Colts trade Manning to the Rams or Lions do they win more then 6 games this year?

Whis is the smartest person to ever walk the Earth. He took the Cards to the SB. He helped do that with the Steelers with a rookie QB. I don't think Whis needed instructions from Warner on how to run an offense (that makes me laugh more then a little). One of Whis's strenghts is listening to his players and knowing how to best utilize their talents. In purely candid moment Warner would thank the Lord for Whis being his coach.

 

[BW52]

As I said, there are always several reasons as to why teams are able to turn themselves around as dramatically as the Cards have done. Whiz is a big reason of course. But IMHO, none of it would have happened had Kurt not been at the helm.
And as for you ridiculous comment about him "sucking" prior to Whiz's arrival:

2005 Kurt starts 10 games. Fitz catches 103 balls and Q catches 102. No Breaston. A HORRIFIC O-line. NO Running game. And of course, a pathetic defense...Yet, Kurt completes 64.5% of his passes that year and throws for 2,713 yards. Sucks?? You can't be serious...

In 2006, the Cards take a shot on the "most NFL ready QB to ever come out of the draft", thus, Kurt only starts 5 games that season. As a result, Fitz catches 69 passes. Q catches 83... Kurt puts up another incredible completion % figure of 64.3% and a rating of 89.3. Sucks?? Seems pretty clear that because he only started 5 games, the offense fell apart.

And of course, in 2007 Whiz steps in and indeed makes an immediate impact. However, the Cards also are boosted by some terrific drafting and the addition of Edge who put up over 1,200 yards with a 3.8 YPC...

Anyway, to say Kurt "sucked" pre-Whiz is simply being incredibly ignorant...
The addition of Whiz, along with a dramatic improvement in talent across the field is what helped Kurt maximize the chances that became within reach for the Cards.

Kurt Warner in 2006 Won 1 lost 4
Leinart 2006 won 4 lost 7

Warner2005 won 2 lost 8

Warner 2007 Won 5 lost 6
Leinart 2007 Won 3 lost 2

draw your own conclusions;Stats don`t mean crap when you don`t win.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Leinart had a better win percentage than Warner before Whisenhunt.

... more food for thought.

And ML beat out Warner for the starting job if you remember. It was the injury to ML that brought KW center stage.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

And ML beat out Warner for the starting job if you remember. It was the injury to ML that brought KW center stage.

He didn't beat him out. He was given the job due to the position he was drafted and the $ we had invested in him.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

He didn't beat him out. He was given the job due to the position he was drafted and the $ we had invested in him.

So Whiz is a "company man" and started him in 2007 because he was forced to? I thought Whiz was his own man and a brilliant judge of QB talent?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

So Whiz is a "company man" and started him in 2007 because he was forced to? I thought Whiz was his own man and a brilliant judge of QB talent?

There was more to it for sure. Kurt was having the fumble problems also. But to say ML earned it is not accurate IMO. What has he earned the whole time he has been here? He was the only one left standing at the QB position so he starts the season at #1. He may lose the job to DA if he doesn't improve.

And yes Whiz was still new here and the owners sinking so much $ in ML might have had input on the decision.

 

[Duckjake]

He didn't beat him out. He was given the job due to the position he was drafted and the $ we had invested in him.

No Leinart didn't get the job solely based on his draft position. Warner did not play well in games 2-4 in the '06 season so Green benched him.

In Leinart's first two games he was a combined 46-77 with 4 TD passes and only 1 INT. Then the loss to the Bears sucked the life out of the entire team. End of season.

But Warner's gone so who cares?