A plea to you guys

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Allow smack downs, rib jabs, nose thumbing, bronxcheering, etc... Sports discussions are not for senstitve souls. If you can't call someone an idiot then why bother.

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Half the fun reading this board are the puts downs and prop ups.
 

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Guys, keep in mind the moderators do this for free, and some of the stickier discussions come up while everyone's at work. If Mike and Chris have to patrol this board and every discussion from 5 am. to midnight, well, that would be impossible. Not to mention a good way to turn a nice moderator into a grumpy gus who's more likely to ban than warn.

Why not just head Mike's advice and maybe take 5 minutes to breathe before responding to every disagreeable post.
 

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These boards have some small problems but they are for the most part fine.

Just take a look at the dallas boards where people call each other trolls back and forth that being part of 90% of their discussions, the spurs boards where they are so bored 10 new trolls from there came here every week in the previous couple months before we banned all of them, and we don't even need to mention the LA boards.
 

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If anything, less moderators. Everyone here is an adult (well, except Nasser :) ) and there should be no need for policing every thread. Just because someone has more posts that others does not make them any more intelligent. Lots of times I see people being ridiculed because they are newbies (yeah, you know who you are).

The IGNORE button is a wonderful thing! I have a few on there :) .
 

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Why not just head Mike's advice and maybe take 5 minutes to breathe before responding to every disagreeable post.

This is a great discussion board. In fact I feel like I am playing in the major leagues here compared to other discussion boards. :thumbup:

I think the rules as applied now are fine but I can see how others may feel differently. There's always the human element. I don't mind a good discussion if everyone sticks to the facts and treats everyone respectfully. However, I do dislike the blatant trolls, insults and name calling. I guess the only thing I didn't like was the trade threads being placed in a separate category and the movement of posts.

However, as Gilda Radner said in her character Roseanne Roseannadanna on SNL... "It's Always Something."
 
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Ive been around a few message boards in my time. And one thing I have learned is:


Internet arguments are not a test of intelligence, but endurance. Dont engage.

You will always have resident posters whose main priority is not keeping civil discourse, but facetiously trying to bait people with shocking or intentionally opposing views

In contrast, you also have people naive enough to not see such bottom feeding intentions, and will persist in adhering to their principles regardless of the irrationality or futility of their efforts


I wont name names though.

are you kidding me? In a thread SPECIFICALLY started by a board adninistrator about trying to get along with each other, you bring this immature trash into it, calling people out? Pot, this is kettle, your black.
 

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I think it's a joke, this forum has gotten to the point where its way too much moderated.

I get banned 4 days because I told cheesebeef that he is simply looking for things to whine about with the Suns after he dooms the Suns for picking Tucker and trading JAMES JONES for more cap relief.. Are you kidding me?

are you kidding me? I've consistently been in the wait and see camp slin. I'd appreciate you notputting words in my mouth man.
 

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Personally, I like your #2 option. People should have thicker skin, especially on message board.

However, there are some lines you shouldn't cross. I enjoy engaging and reading heated arguments, but you should be able to do that, without constant namecalling.
 

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are you kidding me? I've consistently been in the wait and see camp slin. I'd appreciate you notputting words in my mouth man.

Cheese, I knew you could come in here defending yourself, and you have a point.

However, I think that this part is exactly what needs to "change" if you will.

It was obviously (to me) done in good fun, and it brought a few laughs to people. Allow someone to poke fun at your expense and move on.

Hell, if I got upset at everytime someone poked fun at me, (either on ASFN, or at an ASFN meet) I would have left ASFN by now.
 

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Ive been around a few message boards in my time. And one thing I have learned is:


Internet arguments are not a test of intelligence, but endurance. Dont engage.

You will always have resident posters whose main priority is not keeping civil discourse, but facetiously trying to bait people with shocking or intentionally opposing views

In contrast, you also have people naive enough to not see such bottom feeding intentions, and will persist in adhering to their principles regardless of the irrationality or futility of their efforts


I wont name names though.

classic. that likely took you much too long for the recognizition you'll receive for it.

POKERFACE
CHEESEBEEF

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
 

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You are totally right. I do visit here a lot more lately though, but I don't have the time to read everything. But when I get reported posts from you guys about each other, I have to deal with it, meaning I have to get my nose dirty and start sniffing around.

In all honesty, I'd rather just let you guys go at it without much moderation if you could play nice, but it tends to escalate.

who the hell is telling on people??? really??? that's awful.

i hope that no one takes any of my snide comments personally, if you do, i apologize, it's just my style of debate.

if i have to apologize to anyone, it's chap. but i think i'm snide with you due to familiarity. kinda like you can beat up your brother and still have mad love for him. i love you chap.
 

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I think the mods should use the PM system for warnings instead of calling people out publicly on threads. That way, the offender, if he has a chance to make things right, can go back and fix the situation without the embarrassment of Chris announcing to the world that they are banned.

totally agree with this
 

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who the hell is telling on people??? really??? that's awful.

i hope that no one takes any of my snide comments personally, if you do, i apologize, it's just my style of debate.

if i have to apologize to anyone, it's chap. but i think i'm snide with you due to familiarity. kinda like you can beat up your brother and still have mad love for him. i love you chap.

That's... sweet.

I like you a lot Ouchie.
 

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See we can all have a sense of humor. The only thing is, it only appears when we're NOT talking about the Suns, unfortunately.

When talking about the Suns, people are too passionate about their issue, to see the subtle, and not so subtle humor that may be in the post. Cheese defending himself on the first page is a great example.
 

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Come on now. I think we all have the ability to be a little more mature and not hope all over another person for their views or ideas. If a moderator makes a suggestion then lets be mature adults and take it and say we will be better.
 

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ONLINE GUIDE TO TROLLS

Spot these trolls and avoid interaction. The tend to reproduce by sucking in innocent victims into discussion and planting eggs in their brains.

The Vulgar Troll. These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species. Often, they make racist comments, or they may post porn and other spam. Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane, off-topic observations. When you log into the Really Profound Serious Philosophical Discussions board and see the post, "I smell my farts," you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert to this form when cornered.

The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll. More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they turn:

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 2: Create another account, and log on pretending to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 4: When nothing else works, claim that now, finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before. Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the forumites.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not be able to resist posting again.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 7: The insincere apology. Similar to Tactic 4, this involves pretending to repent for one's trolling and is accompanied often by great melodrama. Insincere troll apologists hope that they'll be forgiven if only they act disgusted enough with their own behavior.

The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. The Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice – all the while continuing to respond to them.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.

The YerATroll. YerATrolls are those whining forumites who devote a tremendous amount of time and energy complaining about the tremendous amount of time an energy expended by Troll Bashers and Angry Forumites on the practice of troll-hunting. A self-righteous and hypocritical breed, YerATrolls spend all their time pointing fingers at everyone but trolls, petulantly demanding that their opinions be granted the significance the YerATroll believes they deserve. YerATrolls often start threads excoriating others for troll-hunting, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that they're engaging in trolling by picking fights with everyone else. One of the most ill-tempered of troll species, YerATrolls are characterized by a childish need for attention disguised as cynical nobility and pretensions of being "above it all."

The Agenda Troll.
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to pursue an agenda of their own – often a feud or grudge with another member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue the spat.

– Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to spread his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.

– Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.

The Sophist Troll. Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and intolerant species.

When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree – particularly when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary views – Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide, condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks. A philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words, committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.

When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most hypocritical and aggravating of trollkind.

The Affected Profundity Troll. A mutant subspecies of Sophist Trolls, Affected Profundity Trolls post endless pages of pretentious drivel that is intended to appear wise, but which generally makes little sense (if any). Affected Profundity Trolls enjoy asking themselves questions, sometimes answering them and sometimes leaving them hanging, for they believe this looks intelligent and lends an aura of mystery to their incoherent ramblings. Affected Profundity Trolls aspire to become Sophist Trolls, but lack the intelligence necessary to make the leap.

The Don King Troll. Related to Affected Profundity Trolls, Don King Trolls spout gibberish in the hope that they'll either bore or confuse to death those with whom they disagree. The average Don King Troll is "a pursuitist who gromulates his adversarial computerists with height defining formulations to the disinterestingest adjunct."

The Artistic Troll. A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most dangerous species.

The Bitter Troll. Bitter Trolls are a curious cross-species. They can be trolls of any breed in their larval stages, but become Bitters after their previous activities are seen for what they were. What sets these trolls apart from other classifications is their behavior after they have been spotted and labeled as trolls. Angry, frustrated, and resentful about being "outed," the Bitter Troll will wage a campaign of indignant complaints intended to focus attention away from the troll and on whomever is responsible for identifying the creature. Often, a troll mutates into a Bitter just prior to becoming a Vulgar.

The Bustr. Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers.

The Mutt. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs. Mutts are pack animals characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, repetitive, usually ignorant and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Mutts frequently become obsessed with a few or even a single poster with whom they disagree, often for purely personal reasons. Like a dog gnawing at a bone, the Mutt will attack the object of its ire over and over again, making a fool of itself in the eyes of those who understand such childish behavior for what it is. Often one Mutt in a group of Yapping Dogs will act as the alpha of the pack, while the others chime in to voice their mindless (but loud) support for their leader's opinions.

The Holy Misroller (HM).
Holy Misrollers are those online forum participants who give Christians (or other religious adherents) a bad name. The HM believes himself or herself to be a Christian (etc.) and will generally tell anyone who'll listen about his or her faith in God and in Jesus. At the same time, however, the HM will display decidedly un-Christian behavior, frequently making an *** out of him- or herself. The HM is often characterized by a great deal of anger and hostility. The breed tends to lash out at anyone and anything not in keeping with its incorrectly narrow worldview. The saddest part about HMs is that they do not truly understand Christianity at all.

The Marketing Genius. A Marketing Genius is absolutely convinced that you are profiting from your participation in an Internet forum. If you have a link or a graphic block in you signature, the Marketing Genius just knows that this is your subtle attempt to assert your hypnotic powers on other bulletin board participants, luring them with the siren song of your complex and inscrutable advertising of your site. It does not matter to the Marketing Genius that forum members have been placing links and pictures in their signatures since the ability to do so was first created. Having never created anything of value themselves, Marketing Geniuses have only their bitter envy and their firm belief that you are a Dot Com Billionaire to motivate and occupy them.

The Honorable Nitwit. Honorable Nitwits absolutely love to speak about honor. This breed invokes the concepts of honor, integrity, humility, and other traits straight from the Boy Scout Oath more often than a Klingon warrior on anti-depressants. Honorable nitwits are convinced that everyone around them suffers from a lack of honor – an idea they thoroughly fail to understand in attempting to use its lack to smear others.

The Old Warrior. The Old Warrior has been there and done that. He has little time to spare for those who have not been there and done that. The Old Warrior has been there and done that to such an extent, in fact, that he is always right. Anyone who disagrees with him, therefore, is wrong by definition and should shut the hell up. Old Warriors place a very high premium on one's credentials relevant to the subject matter discussed – failing to understand the logical fallacy of appeals to authority.

The Forum Cultist. Forum cultists are extremely proud of the incredible Internet communities to which they belong. They pride themselves on the exclusivity of those communities and actually believe that "it can't happen to them" – "it," of course, being their own banishment. Forum cultists place a very high premium on groupthink and generally react to differing opinions with outrage, banning all who dare to speak them.
 

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This is a great board so The MODS have been doing something right...

The only thing that Bothers me is the direct insults to people doing what this board is made for giving their idea's. No matter how crazy they can be.
 

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If anything, less moderators. Everyone here is an adult (well, except Nasser :) ) and there should be no need for policing every thread. Just because someone has more posts that others does not make them any more intelligent. Lots of times I see people being ridiculed because they are newbies (yeah, you know who you are).

The IGNORE button is a wonderful thing! I have a few on there :) .

Excuse me, thread title is "A plea to you GUYS." Emphasis added.


:)
 
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