A Reason why we're terrible - apparently we're predictable

[sportznutt]

CB Chris Cook said the Vikings knew the Cardinals passing plays before the snap Sunday.

Larry Fitzgerald was harassed by press coverage and Cover-2 all day long. "They had tendencies," Cook said. "When they moved [Fitzgerald] inside, we were still going to put our hands on them regardless. We had somebody to jam him every time. We knew what they was doing. A lot of their stuff, we were calling it out before they did it." The Cardinals have the bye week to get some creativity in their passing game.

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[Duckjake]

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Yet another throwback to the days of Dave McGinnis.

OK which one of you sold your soul to the Devil for the trip to the Super Bowl?

 

[conraddobler]

Yet another throwback to the days of Dave McGinnis.

OK which one of you sold your soul to the Devil for the trip to the Super Bowl?

It wasn't for the SB, think who played the halftime show!

 

[Duckjake]

It wasn't for the SB, think who played the halftime show!

I don't get the reference.

Whoever did it made a mistake though and only asked that the Cardinals get to the SB.

Not that they would win the Super Bowl.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't get the reference.

Whoever did it made a mistake though and only asked that the Cardinals get to the SB.

Not that they would win the Super Bowl.

Satan isn't THAT powerful only God could do that.


The reference was to someone selling their soul for the halftime entertainment at the SB, Bruce Springstein or something like that.

 

[Duckjake]

Satan isn't THAT powerful only God could do that.


The reference was to someone selling their soul for the halftime entertainment at the SB, Bruce Springstein or something like that.

OK got it. Now I know who it was. Russ Grimm!

 

[thirty-two]

It's pretty pathetic when even I can figure out if it's a pass or run play. And I'm a chick who has never played organized football in her life.

Ugh.

 

[Russ Smith]

Honestly not surprising Fitz is the main guy on at least half our plays and Kolb has locked in on that. There were times yesterday where Fitz had 3-4 guys on him and was still calling for the ball after the play. Kolb threw to him a couple of those times even.

It's a problem, he's our best player so you want to get him the ball but it makes us so predictable and Kolb is just not looking for others now.

Bye week they gotta calm Kolb down and they gotta figure out if they want to try and force the ball to Fitz or if they want to use teams swarming him to their advantage.

I had a bad feed yesterday but I did hear some of the first half on radio Pasch seemed to think Housler was open quite a bit and not getting the ball?

that's been the claim with Heap too so maybe the Cards need to really get Kolb to start lookign at the TE.

 

[Stout]

We've been that predictable for years under CKW too. Ugh.

 

[conraddobler]

Honestly not surprising Fitz is the main guy on at least half our plays and Kolb has locked in on that. There were times yesterday where Fitz had 3-4 guys on him and was still calling for the ball after the play. Kolb threw to him a couple of those times even.

It's a problem, he's our best player so you want to get him the ball but it makes us so predictable and Kolb is just not looking for others now.

Bye week they gotta calm Kolb down and they gotta figure out if they want to try and force the ball to Fitz or if they want to use teams swarming him to their advantage.

I had a bad feed yesterday but I did hear some of the first half on radio Pasch seemed to think Housler was open quite a bit and not getting the ball?

that's been the claim with Heap too so maybe the Cards need to really get Kolb to start lookign at the TE.

Having 4 players mob 1 player is like the Holy Grail of what you strive for, that's the only reason you'd consider paying LF 100 million dollars is because this is very valuable to your team.

High school coaches know this much, yet mysteriously we fail to impart the next crucial step to our new 60 million dollar QB and that's GET THE BALL TO THE OPEN GUY, cause there WILL BE AT LEAST ONE, PROBABLY MORE.

I am sure it's harder than it looks but then again not a lot of people get paid 60 million dollars for any job so when I see someone unable to do something like this after earning that kind of money I just can't help but think the guy was never worth it in the first place.

Cause somewhere on earth a guy roams around who would know something this freaking simple AND BE ABLE TO USE THAT INFORMATION TO COMPLETE A PASS.

Ok I feel better now.

 

[Covert Rain]

I would say I am not surprised. If you are running only a fraction of your playbook I would imagine it would be easier to predict what the offense is going to do.

 

[Mulli]

I thought it was that they were predictable because they were terrible.

 

[Mitch]

Plus when all you have to cover most of the afternoon are a variety 5-8 yard routes---there is no reason to feel worried. Whiz's "dink and dunk" pure and simple. Overload an area of the field with 3 receivers on 5-8 yard routes.

 

[Russ Smith]

Having 4 players mob 1 player is like the Holy Grail of what you strive for, that's the only reason you'd consider paying LF 100 million dollars is because this is very valuable to your team.

High school coaches know this much, yet mysteriously we fail to impart the next crucial step to our new 60 million dollar QB and that's GET THE BALL TO THE OPEN GUY, cause there WILL BE AT LEAST ONE, PROBABLY MORE.

I am sure it's harder than it looks but then again not a lot of people get paid 60 million dollars for any job so when I see someone unable to do something like this after earning that kind of money I just can't help but think the guy was never worth it in the first place.

Cause somewhere on earth a guy roams around who would know something this freaking simple AND BE ABLE TO USE THAT INFORMATION TO COMPLETE A PASS.

Ok I feel better now.

Yeah I don't know if Kolb just doesn't see guys or if he thinks I'm supposed to throw to larry.

But it's gotta stop, he's gotta figure out there are other guys open and get them the ball or this is going to continue.

It just seems to me that if the first guy isn't open Kolb loses faith that the OL will give him time to see the next guy. And the first guy is almost always Fitz so teams take him away and then it's just chaos for Kolb. they need to design more plays where someone else is the primary target, make Kolb look at other players.

 

[blindseyed]

Plus when all you have to cover most of the afternoon are a variety 5-8 yard routes---there is no reason to feel worried. Whiz's "dink and dunk" pure and simple. Overload an area of the field with 3 receivers on 5-8 yard routes.

Are you talking about the "dinking and dunking" Kolb has to do since the D line is in the backfield in .02 seconds? lol

 

[nashman]

Once again it all boils down to terrible uncreative playcalling!

 

[conraddobler]

Yeah I don't know if Kolb just doesn't see guys or if he thinks I'm supposed to throw to larry.

But it's gotta stop, he's gotta figure out there are other guys open and get them the ball or this is going to continue.

It just seems to me that if the first guy isn't open Kolb loses faith that the OL will give him time to see the next guy. And the first guy is almost always Fitz so teams take him away and then it's just chaos for Kolb. they need to design more plays where someone else is the primary target, make Kolb look at other players.

I think LF intimidates people especially QB's for his team.

I'm pretty sure LF just wants to win, but like all winners he thinks he's always open and Kolb dosen't have the cache Warner did to back him down.

The OC whoever that is has to tell Kolb that Larry is going to say he's always open and sure we want to get him the ball but only if he's the best option, and when you notice he's that smothered that means someone else is open all day long, find them.

Course if the next day in meetings you have to endure the wrath of Fitz that would suck knowing he could make one call and have people discuss firing or benching you.

That's why the power can't be vested in the players hand like that, this organization makes classic textbook errors all the time.

Haley would straighten out the mess some, he knew what's up with that kind of stuf and was fearless, it's why I love watching the guy coach.

The fans here were ready to toss him earlier when the Chiefs were 0-3, he totally botched the lockout with his training camp ideas, then his best RB got hurt, his QB was hurt and it all started imploding around him.

Then one day he lights up Matt Cassell and presto he starts playing some ball....

 

[DeAnna]

Yeah I don't know if Kolb just doesn't see guys or if he thinks I'm supposed to throw to larry.

But it's gotta stop, he's gotta figure out there are other guys open and get them the ball or this is going to continue.

It just seems to me that if the first guy isn't open Kolb loses faith that the OL will give him time to see the next guy. And the first guy is almost always Fitz so teams take him away and then it's just chaos for Kolb. they need to design more plays where someone else is the primary target, make Kolb look at other players.

No, god forbid. Then Fitz will be yelling at him that he didn't get his 100 yards.

 

[Dayman]

Wait, so the exact same system Whis has used for 6 years doesn't work? You actually have to throw a couple changes in beyond a reverse or two to keep people guessing? Shocking.

Take a look at that Giants game. On an early fourth down, we spread the field and throw a slant to Fitz, gaining the needed yards. On our final fourth down late in the game, we run the exact same play to the same receiver with different results. As Somers said, everyone in the stadium knew we were running a slant to Fitz, but it didn't matter. That's our fourth down play.

Until Whis stops hiring his hand trained lackeys as coordinators, nothing is going to change.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wait, so the exact same system Whis has used for 6 years doesn't work? You actually have to throw a couple changes in beyond a reverse or two to keep people guessing? Shocking.

Take a look at that Giants game. On an early fourth down, we spread the field and throw a slant to Fitz, gaining the needed yards. On our final fourth down late in the game, we run the exact same play to the same receiver with different results. As Somers said, everyone in the stadium knew we were running a slant to Fitz, but it didn't matter. That's our fourth down play.

Until Whis stops hiring his hand trained lackeys as coordinators, nothing is going to change.

yup... and we ran the EXACT same play against the Seahawks on fourth down the previous week where we were bailed out by a PI call even though kolb threw the ball about five feet over Fitz's head.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Easy fix: Get creative with the Housler and bench the extremely slow Heap.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Though I do agree we need to get more creative, Chris Cook is just part of secondary who finally didn't get torched and he is simply running his mouth...look at his quote-
"They had tendencies. When they moved [Fitzgerald] inside, we were still going to put our hands on them regardless. We had somebody to jam him every time. We knew what they was doing."
basically they really did not know the plays at all, they just jammed Fitz at the line like majority of all the other teams will, 'REGARDLESS' of anything that was going on. Hardly a statement that the Vikings knew what we where doing. They jammed him at the line because he is Fitzgerald and they had no clue what he would do if he broke clean from the line sounds more like what went on
The answer, the Cardinals just couldn't do anything right because we apparently did not know what we were doing either LOL

Cook...SHUT UP

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Though I do agree we need to get more creative, Chris Cook is just part of secondary who finally didn't get torched and he is simply running his mouth...look at his quote-
"They had tendencies. When they moved [Fitzgerald] inside, we were still going to put our hands on them regardless. We had somebody to jam him every time. We knew what they was doing."
basically they really did not know the plays at all, they just jammed Fitz at the line like majority of all the other teams will, 'REGARDLESS' of anything that was going on. Hardly a statement that the Vikings knew what we where doing. They jammed him at the line because he is Fitzgerald and they had no clue what he would do if he broke clean from the line sounds more like what went on
The answer, the Cardinals just couldn't do anything right because we apparently did not know what we were doing either LOL

Cook...SHUT UP

Agree, all defenses play to the offenses tendencies/formations every play. This thread is nitpicking and can be applied throughout teams in the entire league.

 

[sportznutt]

Agree, all defenses play to the offenses tendencies/formations every play. This thread is nitpicking and can be applied throughout teams in the entire league.

Really? Nitpicking? When your opponent, who torched us the day previous, publically says they knew exactly what we were doing, I don't think it's nitpicking at all. It's a major problem that needs to be fixed or we're going nowhere.......ever.

 

[mrbyte]

Plus when all you have to cover most of the afternoon are a variety 5-8 yard routes---there is no reason to feel worried. Whiz's "dink and dunk" pure and simple. Overload an area of the field with 3 receivers on 5-8 yard routes.

spot on!! We have no one other than Fitz who can take the top off the defense...not that we try..remember the good ole days when Haley called the plays and we used to go deep and if the safety stopped down Fitz got the bomb and if he went deep Q got the 15 yarder then ran over someone......I loved them days.....