A. Smith gone...McFadden must not leave the Valley without a contract

[Timm Rosenbach]

So one of the crucial cogs of our frontline leaves without even an attempt by us to sign him. Campbell and Iwebema are now on the spot and we better hope against hope for health on the D-Line.

In addition, we don't sign Bart Scott, who would have strenthened our LB Core.

We also don't make a run at Ward or Taylor and we let Arrington go without a peep; This FORCES us to draft a RB in the first round rather than a pass-rusher

So this is it; Sign McFadden and improve the secondary or watch the D take a tremendous step backwards.

If the front office doesn't use a portion of the tremendous amount of cap room to improve a secondary that cost us the superbowl, something is very wrong in the front office

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[Heucrazy]

With Edge and Hightower still under contract please tell me why letting JJ go or not going after FA's "forces" a 1st rd RB?

But I agree pay McFadden already, our secondary would be sick.

 

[Shzm13]

McFadden is okay, but i dont want to overpay for him when we can overpay for some solid FAs like Rocky Bernard to replace Toine.

 

[joeshmo]

How was not signing Scott a negative considering he was never, ever an option and the JEts and his former DC was the only place he make an appoitnment to see.

Why do we have to be forced to go RB in the first round? If Knowshon and Wells are gone we can get one the end of the 2nd that is just as good as the other RB's we could get at 31 IMO.

But I agree with the premise of the idea. A move any more does need to be done to not take a step backwards. If your not getting btter you are getting worse.

 

[TJ]

With Edge and Hightower still under contract please tell me why letting JJ go or not going after FA's "forces" a 1st rd RB?

But I agree pay McFadden already, our secondary would be sick.

Its because the majority of us believe that Edge will be cut eventually. If not, then we don't need one with #31

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

How was not signing Scott a negative considering he was never, ever an option and the JEts and his former DC was the only place he make an appoitnment to see.

Why do we have to be forced to go RB in the first round? If Knowshon and Wells are gone we can get one the end of the 2nd that is just as good as the other RB's we could get at 31 IMO.

But I agree with the premise of the idea. A move any more does need to be done to not take a step backwards. If your not getting btter you are getting worse.

Glen Coffee 4th rd...

Better value getting an RB in the later rounds. When was the last time a RB drafted in the 1st two rounds really made a positive impact for the cardinals? Otis Anderson? Johnny Johnson?

 

[joeshmo]

McFadden is okay, but i dont want to overpay for him when we can overpay for some solid FAs like Rocky Bernard to replace Toine.

I agree I woudl rather go with front 7 but you have to spend on what is willing to sign on the dotted line, instead of waiting and hopeing to sign someone later on. So if a guy like McFadden is willing to sign on Monday and guy like Bernard(not sayin this is true just exmple purposes) isnt supposed to visit until Thursday. You sign McFadden becuase Bernard might not even get to us by Thursday. You know what I mean.

 

[splitsecond]

I agree I woudl rather go with front 7 but you have to spend on what is willing to sign on the dotted line, instead of waiting and hopeing to sign someone later on. So if a guy like McFadden is willing to sign on Monday and guy like Bernard(not sayin this is true just exmple purposes) isnt supposed to visit until Thursday. You sign McFadden becuase Bernard might not even get to us by Thursday. You know what I mean.

I agree, and I also think that the team will have MUCH better luck and success in developing a a replacement for smith (ie campbell) than we will fixing the glaring holes in our secondary with the current roster.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

AGREED! It's time we land someone!

 

[BradMannTX]

Glen Coffee 4th rd...

Better value getting an RB in the later rounds. When was the last time a RB drafted in the 1st two rounds really made a positive impact for the cardinals? Otis Anderson? Johnny Johnson?

Wasn't Johnny Johnson a 7th round pick?

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I agree I woudl rather go with front 7 but you have to spend on what is willing to sign on the dotted line, instead of waiting and hopeing to sign someone later on. So if a guy like McFadden is willing to sign on Monday and guy like Bernard(not sayin this is true just exmple purposes) isnt supposed to visit until Thursday. You sign McFadden becuase Bernard might not even get to us by Thursday. You know what I mean.

McFadden, DRC, Hood, AW, and Rolle in the secondary would take a tremendous amount of pressure off of the front 7 and would give us a tremendous amount of flexibility in our looks.

We have the money. As long as his request is not completely out of line; PAY THE MAN

 

[CHAPTER 7]

With our luck, he will leave without signing. Graves...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Wasn't Johnny Johnson a 7th round pick?

I should know the answer to this but I am sure you are right because of his issuse with SJSU at the time... I was a sophomore or Fresman in HS at the time.

EDIT: Yes he was a 7th rounder so good value in late rounds

 

[azsouthendzone]

Rosenbach is crazy. You are the definition over overreaction and not thinking things through. What the hell does Smith And McFadden have to do with one another? Nothing.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Cardinals make value judgment on Smith

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February 28, 2009 4:23 PM

Posted by ESPN's Mike Sando The Cardinals drafted Calais Campbell last year with this day in mind.
Campbell, who contributed to the Cardinals' defensive line rotation as a rookie, becomes a more serious candidate to start now that Antonio Smith has left in free agency.
Smith had made himself into a quality starter at defensive end in the Cardinals' hybrid defense.
Arizona made a value judgment in letting Smith hit the market as an unrestricted free agent.
The Cardinals appear to be focusing their financial resources elsewhere on defense. Linebacker Karlos Dansby is scheduled to earn nearly $9.7 million as a franchise player. Strong safety Adrian Wilson and defensive tackle Darnell Dockett also appear in line for new deals at some point.
The Cardinals should come out OK if they drafted well in selecting Campbell.


Calais Campbell, Karlos Dansby, Adrian Wilson, Darnell Dockett, Arizona Cardinals, 09 free agency

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Rosenbach is crazy. You are the definition over overreaction and not thinking things through. What the hell does Smith And McFadden have to do with one another? Nothing.

Its actually pretty simple. If you lose ground up front, you better sure up a poor secondary or that poor secondary will get even worse with a decreased push up front.

If there were another very good up and coming DE available, then I would say sign him to replace Smith. Unfortunately, there isn't. Our best option is to improve the secondary to make up for the loss up front

 

[azsouthendzone]

Its actually pretty simple. If you lose ground up front, you better sure up a poor secondary or that poor secondary will get even worse with a decreased push up front.

If there were another very good up and coming DE available, then I would say sign him to replace Smith. Unfortunately, there isn't. Our best option is to improve the secondary to make up for the loss up front

It is taht simple if you want to completely mix up reality. A great secondary is always a product of a great d-line and pass rush, not the other way around. The Cards need Campbell to step up and he will. Signing McFadden, and especially over paying for him will not change anything on the d-line. But we can go ahead and panic and start throwing money around if you say so.

 

[DoTheDew]

Smith is going to be one of the most vastly over paid players in the league with this contract. 7 Mill a year? Come on. Let all these teams give 7 million a year to average starters. We can give that extra money to proven pro bowlers like Boldin and Warner.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The break down in that SuperBowl drive had more to do with Pendy and the scheme and the fact that Big Benny eluded some sacks. As far as players in the secondary...it really comes down to a large extent the amount of pressure the frontline can put on the QB because as the rules are now in favor of the WR, if you do not get to the QB soon it is almost impossible for any corner to cover in the current situation

 

[Jetstream Green]

i agree with you southendzone

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

It is taht simple if you want to completely mix up reality. A great secondary is always a product of a great d-line and pass rush, not the other way around. The Cards need Campbell to step up and he will. Signing McFadden, and especially over paying for him will not change anything on the d-line. But we can go ahead and panic and start throwing money around if you say so.

So who do you advocate that we add during this offseason. We haven't extended anyone. We let Warner go into unrestricted free agency. Boldin is still furious. And now we let two solid contributors, JJ Arrington and Antonio Smith, leave without any attempt to resign them.

In addition, the free agency crop is declining by the day. By your logic, we should run the 3-4 with only two consistently healthy and effective linebackers, without a dominant nose-tackle and with two second year unproven DEs opposite our one consistent DE, Dockett.

Your right AZSE. When you have the second most cap room in the league, you should not only avoid using it to add players, you should avoid using it to keep guys who helped put you in the superbowl.

And your right AZSE. Our secondary is so strong that it needs no improvement. Why waste 8 of our 45 or so million in caproom on a solid young corner. After all, its the pass rush that makes the secondary; Let the pass rush decline and DONT add any help in the secondary.

Great logic.

 

[joeshmo]

So who do you advocate that we add during this offseason. We haven't extended anyone. We let Warner go into unrestricted free agency. Boldin is still furious. And now we let two solid contributors, JJ Arrington and Antonio Smith, leave without any attempt to resign them.

In addition, the free agency crop is declining by the day. By your logic, we should run the 3-4 with only two consistently healthy and effective linebackers, without a dominant nose-tackle and with two second year unproven DEs opposite our one consistent DE, Dockett.

Your right AZSE. When you have the second most cap room in the league, you should not only avoid using it to add players, you should avoid using it to keep guys who helped put you in the superbowl.

And your right AZSE. Our secondary is so strong that it needs no improvement. Why waste 8 of our 45 or so million in caproom on a solid young corner. After all, its the pass rush that makes the secondary; Let the pass rush decline and DONT add any help in the secondary.

Great logic.

45 mill in cap space?

After all the cuts, tags and tenders throughout the league we werent even in the top 10 of teams concerning cap space.

We had 45 mill a month ago, not as of two days ago.

 

[joeshmo]

IA great secondary is always a product of a great d-line and pass rush, not the other way around.

It isnt always s product of a great pass rush. There is also things called coverage sacks that happen very often. It is very much so a symbyotic relationship.

Also whom do you say we should sign to improve this pass rush in free agency. You want us to not improve in another area of need to save money to sign Whom? We cant count the chickens before they have hatched and that is exactly what you would be doing if you dont sign McFadden for the hope of maybe signing a pass rusher in free agency that isnt even out there.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

It isnt always s product of a great pass rush. There is also things called coverage sacks that happen very often. It is very much so a symbyotic relationship.

Also whom do you say we should sign to improve this pass rush in free agency. You want us to not improve in another area of need to save money to sign Whom? We cant count the chickens before they have hatched and that is exactly what you would be doing if you dont sign McFadden for the hope of maybe signing a pass rusher in free agency that isnt even out there.

Rocky Bernard strikes as a, not elite, but pretty good rusher. An upgrade on Antonio Smith, I'd suggest.

 

[Shane]

Rocky Bernard strikes as a, not elite, but pretty good rusher. An upgrade on Antonio Smith, I'd suggest.

They dont even play the same position.