A Theory on Why Keim Needs to Go

[cardpa]

I think it’s definitely having a great QB for all those teams, but it’s also having a vision, not a plan, for your roster. All those teams had a vision for how they’re allocating their resources, and they stuck to it because they only needed to hit on A, B, and C to keep the machine running.

I think that part of Keim’s problem is that he had a plan, not a vision. He’s planned for Diche to replace Campbell. He had a plan for Humphries to be the foundation at LT. He had a plan for Baker to replace Honey Badger and for Minter to replace Dansby and for Bucannon to replace Washington.

All of those guys turned out to be downgraded, and so you temporarily staunch the bleeding with free agents and then have to use more draft capital to replace the guys you don’t extend.

That was the word I was looking for and couldn't think of it until later in another post. Spot on.

 

[cardpa]

I think it’s definitely having a great QB for all those teams, but it’s also having a vision, not a plan, for your roster. All those teams had a vision for how they’re allocating their resources, and they stuck to it because they only needed to hit on A, B, and C to keep the machine running.

I think that part of Keim’s problem is that he had a plan, not a vision. He’s planned for Diche to replace Campbell. He had a plan for Humphries to be the foundation at LT. He had a plan for Baker to replace Honey Badger and for Minter to replace Dansby and for Bucannon to replace Washington.

All of those guys turned out to be downgraded, and so you temporarily staunch the bleeding with free agents and then have to use more draft capital to replace the guys you don’t extend.

I just went back and looked up the history of all of the assistant coaches that went on to become head coaches from the Belichick coaching tree. None were very successful to date with O'Brian actually looking like he will be a success. What almost all of them inherited were dismal QBs and I mean the barrel muck of QBs, such as Brady Quinn, Kyle Orton, Derek Anderson, Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme. Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Charlie Frye, A.J. Feeley and Jay Fiedler. Brock Osweiler, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden. Journeymen at best and God awful at worse. A good QB does increase your odds of being successful.

The other part is cultivating that QB and running a system that fits their best strengths and further developing their weaknesses into strengths. I have read several articles that suggest that Rosen's best fit is in a West coast offense. I am wondering if this is in fact true.

 

[kerouac9]

I just went back and looked up the history of all of the assistant coaches that went on to become head coaches from the Belichick coaching tree. None were very successful to date with O'Brian actually looking like he will be a success. What almost all of them inherited were dismal QBs and I mean the barrel muck of QBs, such as Brady Quinn, Kyle Orton, Derek Anderson, Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme. Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Charlie Frye, A.J. Feeley and Jay Fiedler. Brock Osweiler, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden. Journeymen at best and God awful at worse. A good QB does increase your odds of being successful.

The other part is cultivating that QB and running a system that fits their best strengths and further developing their weaknesses into strengths. I have read several articles that suggest that Rosen's best fit is in a West coast offense. I am wondering if this is in fact true.

I'd add that having a great QB is a necessary but not sufficient requirement to long-term success. Look at the Saints and the Chargers. Both Rivers and Brees are among the 5 best QBs of their generation and among the 10 best QBs of all time.

The Saints went 7-9 three straight seasons and four seasons out of five from 2012 to 2016 while shuffling through a whole bunch of defensive coordinators. Only with a miraculous draft class did they return to dominance.

The Chargers have been to the playoffs once in the last eight seasons and finished below .500 three times in that span.

The quarterback is the foundation, but you have to have a vision for how you complete the roster around them to be successful.

 

[Buckybird]

I'd add that having a great QB is a necessary but not sufficient requirement to long-term success. Look at the Saints and the Chargers. Both Rivers and Brees are among the 5 best QBs of their generation and among the 10 best QBs of all time.

The Saints went 7-9 three straight seasons and four seasons out of five from 2012 to 2016 while shuffling through a whole bunch of defensive coordinators. Only with a miraculous draft class did they return to dominance.

The Chargers have been to the playoffs once in the last eight seasons and finished below .500 three times in that span.

The quarterback is the foundation, but you have to have a vision for how you complete the roster around them to be successful.

True but you almost have no chance without a very good QB. There’s not a more important part of an NFL football team!!!

 

[GuernseyCard]

That was the word I was looking for and couldn't think of it until later in another post. Spot on.

Vision: A term that means everything and nothing without an actual plan.

 

[Chopper0080]

Vision is one word. I prefer the term identity. We have never had a clearly defined identity as a team.

 

[football karma]

Vision is one word. I prefer the term identity. We have never had a clearly defined identity as a team.

the Cards HAD one: no risk it, no biscuit

on offense: vertical passing offense with 6 deep shots a game
on defense: it was man to man coverage/ blitzing / single or zero safety deep


assuming Keim made the Wilks call, or, was supportive of it: how can a competent GM hire a coach and staff that completely changes the identity of the team -- a team that he himself believed could compete for a playoff spot.

Alternatively -- was he ready to change the identity of the offense to accommodate...…………. Sam Bradford for 1 year?

Neither are good decisions

 

[kerouac9]

Vision is one word. I prefer the term identity. We have never had a clearly defined identity as a team.

I think those are different things. I think you use your identity when scouting — does player X fit in with how you want your team to run?

I think that Keim had PLANs -- His plan was to replace Bobby Massie with D.J. Humphries, and then replace Veldheer with Humphries. His plan was to replace Calais Campbell with Nkeimdiche. The problem was that he couldn't adjust his plan.

Vision is more flexible. If Massie turns out to be better than you thought, or 'Diche isn't quite ready, to find a way to shift and seize strategic opportunities.

 

[cardncubfan]

I think those are different things. I think you use your identity when scouting — does player X fit in with how you want your team to run?

I think that Keim had PLANs -- His plan was to replace Bobby Massie with D.J. Humphries, and then replace Veldheer with Humphries. His plan was to replace Calais Campbell with Nkeimdiche. The problem was that he couldn't adjust his plan.

Vision is more flexible. If Massie turns out to be better than you thought, or 'Diche isn't quite ready, to find a way to shift and seize strategic opportunities.

I think he has/had vision. I think he was looking at this year as being a down year & rebuilding/tooling the team next year when he has more cap space & is rid of most of the bad contracts. I think he knew when going for it with an older team that if it didn't work out that he would have this year as a down year while looking forward to next. I don't think he thought it would be this bad though. We'll have at least 70mil in cap space next year. Granted we have a lot of holes to fill. This will be the first time Keim has had a lot of cap space & a high draft pick. If he puts together a crap team next year I'll be fully on board to can him.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think those are different things. I think you use your identity when scouting — does player X fit in with how you want your team to run?

I think that Keim had PLANs -- His plan was to replace Bobby Massie with D.J. Humphries, and then replace Veldheer with Humphries. His plan was to replace Calais Campbell with Nkeimdiche. The problem was that he couldn't adjust his plan.

Vision is more flexible. If Massie turns out to be better than you thought, or 'Diche isn't quite ready, to find a way to shift and seize strategic opportunities.

Fair