Advice for Kurt Warner

[RolleRocks]

When you find yourself in 3rd and 10 because your Head Coach just can't resist overexposing his pathetic running game, and then no receivers are open....pitch the ball into the stands.

Running game sucks,
Playcalling sucks,
but throw a bad pick and all fingers point at you.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

When you find yourself in 3rd and 10 because your Head Coach just can't resist overexposing his pathetic running game, and then no receivers are open....pitch the ball into the stands.

Running game sucks,
Playcalling sucks,
but throw a bad pick and all fingers point at you.

Agreed, but then again maybe that wouldn't be Kurt Warner.

 

[Evil Ash]

When you find yourself in 3rd and 10 because your Head Coach just can't resist overexposing his pathetic running game, and then no receivers are open....pitch the ball into the stands.

Running game sucks,
Playcalling sucks,
but throw a bad pick and all fingers point at you.

Well that one pick was horrid, set up the Rams only TD and is a culmination of how Warner has played the past few games (in short, not-so-good). The delay of game penalties were also inexcusable.

Win the turnover battle and you win around 80% of the time. Thats why we place so much importance on taking care of the damn ball

We get it Warner can do no wrong for some people here. Just stop making new threads over and over again to repeat the same damn point.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

BTW I thought he'd have a pick 6. Then again, I thought he'd throw 3 TDs as well.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Well that one pick was horrid, set up the Rams only TD and is a culmination of how Warner has played the past few games (in short, not-so-good). The delay of game penalties were also inexcusable.

Win the turnover battle and you win around 80% of the time. Thats why we place so much importance on taking care of the damn ball

We get it Warner can do no wrong for some people here. Just stop making new threads over and over again to repeat the same damn point.

I don't even know where that is coming from. I'm probably the biggest KWarner homer on the board and I expect stuff like that from him here and there. It's just Warner being Warner.

 

[Evil Ash]

I don't even know where that is coming from. I'm probably the biggest KWarner homer on the board and I expect stuff like that from him here and there. It's just Warner being Warner.

I love good Warner, we all do. We've been seeing bad Warner lately and thats the problem.

Some people on here don't want to have him experience any criticism whatsoever. He's untouchable. His turnovers and mental mistakes are never his fault. I'm just tired of it.

This was supposed to be a day of celebration but this thread brings it down due to sheer stupidity.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

I love good Warner, we all do. We've been seeing bad Warner lately and thats the problem.

Some people on here don't want to have him experience any criticism whatsoever. He's untouchable. His turnovers and mental mistakes are never his fault. I'm just tired of it.

This was supposed to be a day of celebration but this thread brings it down due to sheer stupidity.

I see where you are coming from, but honestly I expect one a game from KW. It's when it becomes more than one or when he becomes butterfinger Warner is when I get worried. BTW When I think good and bad now I always think Rex. Warner > Rex

 

[RolleRocks]

I don't even know where that is coming from. I'm probably the biggest KWarner homer on the board and I expect stuff like that from him here and there. It's just Warner being Warner.

That is coming from a Leinart bootlicker.

 

[Spielman]

God, this board is turning into the bad Rams boards I thought I'd stopped going to.

 

[moklerman]

This was supposed to be a day of celebration but this thread brings it down due to sheer stupidity.

Look in the mirror before making such a bold statement. I know you CANNOT find anything I've written that conforms to your irrational viewpoint.

Just like the Philly game, Warner had a truly bad play that he was responsible for. No excuse for the Fitz INT vs. Philly and no excuse for the Fitz INT vs. the Rams. But, by the line of thinking expressed by some, he surely had another bad game vs. Rams.

I wouldn't agree with that idea either.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Warner was average, which was an improvement from awful. He made 1 great throw, he had one STUPID pick. He had multiple delay of game penalties at home. He moved the team at into scoring position in the first half. In the second half we didn't score a single offensive TD.

It was an average performance by any QB standards.

Oh and if you are going to tell me that Warner comes with a minimum of 1 turnover a game then get him out of here.

 

[JeffGollin]

Later in the game, Kurt rolled right, saw no one open and chucked it in the general direction of Tubac.

Maybe you can teach an old dawg a new trick.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Later in the game, Kurt rolled right, saw no one open and chucked it in the general direction of Tubac.

Maybe you can teach an old dawg a new trick.

Our whole section applauded sarcastically at that.

 

[moklerman]

Oh and if you are going to tell me that Warner comes with a minimum of 1 turnover a game then get him out of here.

...and if you're not satisfied with the best QB in the NFC then you don't really know what you're talking about.

In the second half we didn't score a single offensive TD.

You're not really trying to paint a picture like that are you? Do you recall that the Cardinals had one...count 'em, one possession in the third quarter? Which stalled on a 3rd & 8 draw play to Arrington. Or how 'bout the next drive that stalled on a beautifully thrown ball to Arrington which he dropped. Or that the defense had two return TD's. The last drive by the Card's was only to kill clock.

So, in two real drives, the Card's didn't score any points and neither drive stalled because of Warner.

 

[conraddobler]

I know everyone including myself is basking in the first home playoff game in like 61 years.

I live in a city with a team that goes to the playoffs quite a bit more than that and they eventually fired a coach because he couldn't win in those playoffs.

Waners mistakes will gain leverage the higher the competition level gets, he makes that mistake against a good team on the road and we're buried.

 

[john h]

Well that one pick was horrid, set up the Rams only TD and is a culmination of how Warner has played the past few games (in short, not-so-good). The delay of game penalties were also inexcusable.

Win the turnover battle and you win around 80% of the time. Thats why we place so much importance on taking care of the damn ball

We get it Warner can do no wrong for some people here. Just stop making new threads over and over again to repeat the same damn point.

When a QB is having the year Warner is having you will hear over and over and over just how good he is doing. Being we have not had a home playoff game since 1947 what would you expect? Frankly, I cannot say enough good things about the guy. Should we ignore him and ignore the season he is having? i do not think so.

 

[john h]

I love good Warner, we all do. We've been seeing bad Warner lately and thats the problem.

Some people on here don't want to have him experience any criticism whatsoever. He's untouchable. His turnovers and mental mistakes are never his fault. I'm just tired of it.

This was supposed to be a day of celebration but this thread brings it down due to sheer stupidity.

We just clinched a home playoff game and we are having critical post about Warner? Where is all this coming from. Enjoy the guy while you have him. It is unlikely we will see anyone better for many years to come. These threads amaze me. It is almost as some people wish he would fail.

 

[Rats]

Jeez, you Warner bashers are to much. The guy is probably having the best season a Cardinal Qb ever had and your Matt Leinart goggles cloud the good and only see clearly the bad aspects of his game. We didn't score Td's in the second half on offense due to a dropped TD pass and more conservative play calling. I think bringing Edge back in they were going to try and establish a run the clock out sort of O. I say 1 INT a game from a Qb that has to throw more than any other Qb in the league is more than acceptable. You guys need to get over the Qb thing already and enjoy the fact we have won a division for the first time since I was 9. Defense is where we are really suspect against good teams and they need to find a way to play like they did yesterday in order to beat the good teams. The Offense will be there. Next week is a good test to see if the D can turn a corner.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

...and if you're not satisfied with the best QB in the NFC then you don't really know what you're talking about.
You're not really trying to paint a picture like that are you? Do you recall that the Cardinals had one...count 'em, one possession in the third quarter? Which stalled on a 3rd & 8 draw play to Arrington. Or how 'bout the next drive that stalled on a beautifully thrown ball to Arrington which he dropped. Or that the defense had two return TD's. The last drive by the Card's was only to kill clock.

So, in two real drives, the Card's didn't score any points and neither drive stalled because of Warner.

I gave credit for moving the ball in the first half, hence no credit for failing to do that. It's called objectivity, something you Warner fans lack. Objectivity to Warner fans is praise the good, excuse the bad. It gets tiresome.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It's not about playing Leinart. I could care less about who the QB is. I just want good QB play period. You can't credit Warner for throwing a bunch of yards, then excuse him for leading the NFL in turnovers.

The system right now is we will throw a bunch. No matter whom the QB is, the onus to not turn the ball over falls upon their shoulders, just like it would on a team that runs the ball over and over.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's not about playing Leinart. I could care less about who the QB is. I just want good QB play period. You can't credit Warner for throwing a bunch of yards, then excuse him for leading the NFL in turnovers.

The system right now is we will throw a bunch. No matter whom the QB is, the onus to not turn the ball over falls upon their shoulders, just like it would on a team that runs the ball over and over.

Kurt has 12 INT's... I haven't checked his lost fumbles but does he really "lead the NFL in turnovers"??

He also leads the NFL in pass attempts with 505! The next closest is Brees who has two more INT's than does Kurt. Kurt also leads Brees in completion percentage, 68.7% to 65.4%.

I think you're being way, way too critical of the best QB in the NFC - perhaps the entire NFL... No other top-tier QB has to deal with the NFL's worst rushing game... What Kurt has done is simply amazing. You need to ligthen up dude...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kurt has 12 INT's... I haven't checked his lost fumbles but does he really "lead the NFL in turnovers"??

He also leads the NFL in pass attempts with 505! The next closest is Brees who has two more INT's than does Kurt. Kurt also leads Brees in completion percentage, 68.7% to 65.4%.

I think you're being way, way too critical of the best QB in the NFC - perhaps the entire NFL... No other top-tier QB has to deal with the NFL's worst rushing game... What Kurt has done is simply amazing. You need to ligthen up dude...

Yeah he does lead the NFL in turnovers when you include his fumbles. Throwing a ton of times for a ton of yards is impressive. It's praise worthy. Leading the NFL in turnovers is not praiseworthy.

There is a middle ground between "Best QB in the NFC" and "Shouldn't start" As long as Warner continues to make dumb turnovers, he is in that midddle ground.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

You can't take the "gun"...

out of a gun-slingers' hand. ...Or his heart and mental-approach to the game. Everyone is quick to point out how AMAZING Brett Favre's "stats" are but there's a whole bunch of "picks" to go along with all those TD's. BUT, the bottom-line is...HE WINS!! GIVE Kurt time...SHOOT! Give MOST NFL QB's time... and they can be very effective. Kurt has had an AMAZING year! The WHOLE team has! The Offense is averaging close to (30) points a game! THAT should be enough to WIN. While I see an improving "D" (we clearly struggle when Clark Haggans & Rod Hood are not on the field) I "pin" the Giants/Eagles losses more on the "D" and the NOT-so-special-teams. BUT I'm glad we played the Giants & Eagles in the regular season as it gives us time to assess what worked/what didn't. I like our chances the next time. The Cards have come a long way in the past (2) years. Isn't it GREAT to be cheering for a GOOD team that's on the verge of becoming a GREAT team? GO CARDS!

 

[moklerman]

I gave credit for moving the ball in the first half, hence no credit for failing to do that. It's called objectivity, something you Warner fans lack

How does one move the ball when they don't have the ball? You don't really think you're being objective by cherry picking this situation do you? An objective point of view would be that the Cardinals had a big lead for most of the game, were essentially trying to run clock and got two defensive returns for scores so there was no real urgency or need for the offense to score in the second half.

If you disagree with any of that and act like "Warner" just didn't get it done in the second half vs. the Rams then you will expose yourself as the one with the agenda.

I think you're being way, way too critical of the best QB in the NFC - perhaps the entire NFL... No other top-tier QB has to deal with the NFL's worst rushing game... What Kurt has done is simply amazing. You need to ligthen up dude...

Zealot! Warner-phile! Realist?

 

[SuperSpck]

Are we really giving advice to veteran NFL quarterbacks?
I can't wait until he reads this and uses the vast knowledge to improve his game!