after boldins selfishness..

[joshstmarie]

I think guys like Q and Edge filled a leadership void that lacked in the coaching ranks in the past and that gave them undue authority and leverage in the organization. Now we have true leadership all the way down the line with guys like Haley, Grimm and obviously Whiz.

I think this has been an adjustment for these guys. They thought this was their team and now they realize they are a replaceable piece of a team. Sure they have great talent and heart when it works for them but the days of holding up the team are over.

This, in my opinion is a great thing. Q & Edge may not be able to recover from this shift and we lose some major talent but the team and organization will be more stable as a result and in the case of Boldin we have depth at the position and we should get some real value in a trade that could land a running mate for Hightower.

great point of view, great post!

 

[CtCardinals78]

Just so you know that wasnt directed at you, there has been alot of people trying to look the other way.

Im probably taking this too far, and maybe thats because at one point i loved Q so much. he was captian cardinal, he was the face of the franchise. to all of us. we dreamed he would be here along with us when we went to the super bowl.. but not like this... it hurts.

I think thats where alot of peoples frustration is comming from. I will never go back though, no amount of touchdowns is going to change my opinion about Q. hes gotta go.

Probably not me either but oh well it sucks for sure.

 

[DoTheDew]

ESPN says Haley told them Boldin was upset that Breaston was subbed in for him, and when they asked Boldin about it he said no comment. Then they asked Boldin if he will be with the team next year and he said "next question"

 

[Azlen]

It's going to be something that Q regrets for the rest of his life. Making it to the Super Bowl is a rare feat and he only has a handful of years left in the league and may never make it back. Everytime he sees a team celebrating after a major victory he is going to remember it and hate himself for it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Not sure if tyhis was coincidence,or not, but Q's outburst may have had alot to do with this. When i picked up my Cards tickets at their Tempa facility on Saturday morning, who else but Drew Rosenhaus was in the parking lot. My car just naturally veered over to take him out but i got control of it.Although Rosenhaus was talking to Antonio Smith,i'm sure he was in Q's ear all weekend about this being a showcase for him(and anew deal) and that could have helped set Boldin off.

 

[joeshmo]

I think guys like Q and Edge filled a leadership void that lacked in the coaching ranks in the past and that gave them undue authority and leverage in the organization. Now we have true leadership all the way down the line with guys like Haley, Grimm and obviously Whiz.

I think this has been an adjustment for these guys. They thought this was their team and now they realize they are a replaceable piece of a team. Sure they have great talent and heart when it works for them but the days of holding up the team are over.

This, in my opinion is a great thing. Q & Edge may not be able to recover from this shift and we lose some major talent but the team and organization will be more stable as a result and in the case of Boldin we have depth at the position and we should get some real value in a trade that could land a running mate for Hightower.

That is about the best and most logical line of reasoning for the situation as I have seen yet. We all should have come to that conclusion considering we have all been in a situation just like that at least once before in are careers or relationships.

 

[joeshmo]

Not sure if tyhis was coincidence,or not, but Q's outburst may have had alot to do with this. When i picked up my Cards tickets at their Tempa facility on Saturday morning, who else but Drew Rosenhaus was in the parking lot. My car just naturally veered over to take him out but i got control of it.Although Rosenhaus was talking to Antonio Smith,i'm sure he was in Q's ear all weekend about this being a showcase for him(and anew deal) and that could have helped set Boldin off.

Drew is actually here a lot. I think we have more Drew clients then any other team in the league with 8. Antonio Smith being one of them.

 

[Reddog]

You know, it's just possible that the high level of emotion and "give me the damn ball" attitude is what makes Boldin an elite player. He's out there on one leg right now and we could spend all day listing games that he has dominated to help us get to this point.

You all fail to realize that the same attitude that makes him demand the ball and want to get paid is what separates him from the "who gives a crap?" players who make up most of the league and spend their careers wallowing in mediocrity.

Ed nice to see you on the board. I don't disagree with this generally but you don't do this at this level and in this situation. The team needs the OC engaged in the game where you are fighting for a Superbowl birth not fighting with a player on the sideline.

 

[Shogun]

Whatever happened to honoring your (third) deal? Especially after getting another one so soon? Greedy.

Just throwing it out there - Boldin for Scrabble?

 

[Renz]

Not celebrating a Super Bowl berth with your teammates? How do you think that plays in the lockerroom?

Definitely not the actions of a team leader. Very disappointing.

 

[AZ Sports Native]

FWIW: JJ was just on ESPN First Take and was asked about Boldin's outburst. JJ said that two minutes after the incident, Haley and Q were over it and cool with each other; that it was a "heat of the battle" type thing. Don't know about all the after the game stuff, as JJ was not asked about that.

 

[JeffGollin]

Originally Posted by Bayless2Budinger
...It makes me sick because this is what some fans are talking about after the biggest win in Cardinals history and won of the biggest wins in Arizona Sports history.

Comments: Delusional"

"And you are? Didn't you see the other 70 threads of celebration ?"
I agree with Bayless2 (though not enough to be made to feel "sick").

The issue isn't the preponderance of Good comments vs. bad in the aftermath of a huge win. It's puzzlement over why some fans would focus on a sideline dust-up instead of enjoying the moment and savoring the win.

While any coach-player friction should at least raise a small red flag, understand who we're dealing with. Haley is very intense on the sideline, and we've seen him and Kurt Warner go at it hot & heavy a few times in the past. But then everyone cools down and chalks it up to "caring" and that's that.

Q also is very intense on the playing field. It should come as no surprise that he would "lose it" and argue with Haley as he watched the game seem to slip away. But I wouldn't read anything more to it than "the heat of the moment."

To be honest, I was banging my fist on the table due to frustration with both Haley and Pendergast (who seemed to have lost their first-half mojo during the 3rd quarter and the early part of the 4th). I'm not sure why that happened, and do believe both coordinators should re-examine what was happening and learn from it. (If they do, they'll be better coaches for it).

Young players aren't the only people who can improve during the course of a season. So can (& should) young coaches.

Bottom Line - I love every player on our roster. And every coach on the staff. Not that they can't continue to improve, but I wouldn't trade any of them.

I know it sounds Pollyannish, but that's kind of OK when your team has made it to the Super Bowl and really OK should they win it. (In a sense, Pollyanna is really our good friend, "The Fat Lady" just before she sings).

 

[Reddog]

Originally Posted by Bayless2Budinger
...It makes me sick because this is what some fans are talking about after the biggest win in Cardinals history and won of the biggest wins in Arizona Sports history.

Comments: Delusional"

"And you are? Didn't you see the other 70 threads of celebration ?"
I agree with Bayless2 (though not enough to be made to feel "sick").

The issue isn't the preponderance of Good comments vs. bad in the aftermath of a huge win. It's puzzlement over why some fans would focus on a sideline dust-up instead of enjoying the moment and savoring the win.

While any coach-player friction should at least raise a small red flag, understand who we're dealing with. Haley is very intense on the sideline, and we've seen him and Kurt Warner go at it hot & heavy a few times in the past. But then everyone cools down and chalks it up to "caring" and that's that.

Q also is very intense on the playing field. It should come as no surprise that he would "lose it" and argue with Haley as he watched the game seem to slip away. But I wouldn't read anything more to it than "the heat of the moment."

To be honest, I was banging my fist on the table due to frustration with both Haley and Pendergast (who seemed to have lost their first-half mojo during the 3rd quarter and the early part of the 4th). I'm not sure why that happened, and do believe both coordinators should re-examine what was happening and learn from it. (If they do, they'll be better coaches for it).

Young players aren't the only people who can improve during the course of a season. So can (& should) young coaches.

Bottom Line - I love every player on our roster. And every coach on the staff. Not that they can't continue to improve, but I wouldn't trade any of them.

I know it sounds Pollyannish, but that's kind of OK when your team has made it to the Super Bowl and really OK should they win it. (In a sense, Pollyanna is really our good friend, "The Fat Lady" just before she sings).

Jeff I am all for heat of the moment issues but blowing out of the locker room and not celebrating with the team just gave every reporter at the Suberbowl fodder which might serve as a distraction to the "Team". You wait this long to get there - just sack up and play the game. Hopefully he cares enough to lie and come back to practice and say that it was nothing he was just fired up and now wants to do whatever it takes to win the Superbowl. After that let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Shogun]

FWIW: JJ was just on ESPN First Take and was asked about Boldin's outburst. JJ said that two minutes after the incident, Haley and Q were over it and cool with each other; that it was a "heat of the battle" type thing. Don't know about all the after the game stuff, as JJ was not asked about that.

Hey JJ,

We don't believe you, you need more people!