After this game, are you still sure about Skelton over Kolb?

[A fan who cares]

I rarely post on this board, I'm usually a lurker. But before today everyone was pretty much in agreement that Skelton had already won the job. (more or less)

Has that changed after this game tonight? Whether it's because Skelton did bad or Kolb did better than before, I don't think any of us are as sure as before.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

I'm still on Skelton's side...

Kolb is going to be efficient...I think he was 15 for 22 but he can't stretch the field. I think Skelton will get us about 20 pts. a game. Hopefully, the D will chip in a score...That's 27. If the D plays well and keeps the opp. to 20 we'll win most of our games.

I mentioned in a couple earlier posts that maybe we should go to a quick, up-tempo, arena-style offense. Well, lo and behold, the coaching staff came up with the same idea...And that was when we started to move the ball with some success.

Over-all though, I think Lindley has the most upside of all 3 QB's.

GO CARDS!
Mark in SC

 

[ajcardfan]

Give me 21 Ryan Lindleys and one Larry Fitzgerald and we'll hoist the Lombardi in February.

In the meantime, I prefer John Kolb. Although, Kevin Skelton is neck and neck with him.

 

[THESMEL]

Kolb show some life, but only after death- and only in the no huddle? Funny no balance to start with each QB- and both got picked- but ran the hell out of the ball with Lindley!

Will the real AZ Cardinals - Please stand up!

 

[TJ]

Kolb is going to be efficient...I think he was 15 for 22 but he can't stretch the field. I think Skelton will get us about 20 pts. a game. Hopefully, the D will chip in a score...That's 27. If the D plays well and keeps the opp. to 20 we'll win most of our games.

I mentioned in a couple earlier posts that maybe we should go to a quick, up-tempo, arena-style offense. Well, lo and behold, the coaching staff came up with the same idea...And that was when we started to move the ball with some success.

Over-all though, I think Lindley has the most upside of all 3 QB's.

GO CARDS!
Mark in SC

Agree. No Huddle is the closest thing that Whiz has to the WCO in his playbook, under which Kolb has had success. Not surprised that when we went up tempo and tried to spread the defense, Kolb was efficient.

 

[Shane]

Give me 21 Ryan Lindleys and one Larry Fitzgerald and we'll hoist the Lombardi in February.

In the meantime, I prefer John Kolb. Although, Kevin Skelton is neck and neck with him.

Good stuff AJ

 

[PJ1]

Not sure of anything after this one but still would start Skelton.

 

[D-Dogg]

I am not sure about Skelton, but I'm also not sure about Kolb. Skelton did nothing at all tonight when he had a brass ring to grab. Kolb panicked less which was amazing, truly, but threw one of the most atrocious picks I've ever seen as well.

Meh. Our QB situation has been atrocious for years now.

 

[WildBB]

I've been in Skelton's corner, but he did little to grab the reigns tonight. Overall the OL again was the bigger story than the QB competition.

But the coaching, schemes and play calling has also been somewhat to blame as well. Dilfer pointed out the ludicrousness of the Cardinals giving DJ Young absolutely no help whatsoever on the outside when he clearly could not contain the edge. You have to be able to adjust sooner than later and the adjustment was barely visible.

This team needs outside help along the line. They will mtl have to burn a draft pick, hopefully not a 2nd again, for a starting caliber tackle. Otherwise the QB will be rushing throws and not going through any progressions which they aren't the best at anyhow.

I'm giving an edge to Kolb at the moment. He still has a long way to go but he did manage more tempo than Skelton managed. But again he was helped more by a coaching decision to ramp up the tempo when he got in. I would have liked them to try that with Skelton when he was in there. It could have helped the offense more. Again adjustments by the coaching staff were slow to materialize, imo.

 

[187]

I've been rooting for Skelton, but tonight was pretty disheartening. After last weeks short display I was thinking 'oh yeah, he'll solidify his spot next week' and then he goes out and craps the bed. Granted, DJ Young was so laughably bad there wasn't a lot he could do on some of those dropbacks. Same with Kolb. I have bitched and moaned about Kolb's crappy pocket presence, but the line was so terrible tonight it doesn't really matter whose back there if they can't even drop back 3 steps without getting hit first.

I have no idea. I just want a solid first round prospect to work with. Skelton has the physical tools, but he has 3-4 horrendous decisions each game where he, for example, tries to thread a ball to his TE in triple coverage. I just have a bad feeling this season is going to be very ugly if the line doesn't collectively pull their heads out of their asses. And I am far from a 'darksider' or anything like that. Just an ugly display outside of Powell and Ryan Williams.

 

[Totally_Red]

This decision won't be made until after next Thursday's game IMO. Whis won't feel a need to make a decision until then.

Most interesting part of the game was Rachel Nichols' interview with Larry Fitzgerald. The one thing that shone through was how much Larry admires and loves Whis. Larry is first class all the way and we are fortunate to have him as the player face of the franchise IMO.

 

[Zeno]

The only thing I am sure of is we don't have a QB on the roster capable of being top 20 in the NFL. We need a QB in the worst way...oh and an OL too...oh and OL coach

So damned frustrating.

 

[Cardiac]

Kolb improved his pocket awareness and poise significantly this game. He seemed in control and in command of the offense.

I for one have stopped worrying about Kolb's glass jaw. He has take enough hits this preseason to show he isn't more prone to concussions than anyone else.

The picks were simply horrible, no excuses for those.

I hope Bones continues to hold his head high and be ready because he will get playing time this year and still has a chance to take over as the starter. This O-line will allow too many hits to our QB's.

 

[az1965]

No question, Skelton, even though he did not have an overall good performance tonight.

Kolb does not have it.

My God, Skelton had to deal with DJ Young at LT...

Plus couple of drive killing clear drops.

Running game also struggled when John was in mostly because OL was awful, some because Beanie seemed too tentative in his first action.

He also got way fewer snaps than Kolb... way to address "fair" playing time, coach.

 

[Dr. Jones]

None of this matters.... They are both going to get killed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Are we asking who we personally want or who we think will be the starting the QB ?

 

[Fanatics]

None of this matters.... They are both going to get killed.

 

[Skumbag]

Shock them both and give the reins to Lindley

 

[Pariah]

I don't think the baseline is correct. I think the board probably generally felt that Skelton was the better option, but I think the majority also would have told you they expect Kolb to win the job.

I was one of them and I still feel that way.

 

[sportznutt]

We need Jeff George.

 

[football karma]

I think Skelton by a whisker

my issue is this:

Skelton throws INTs where it looks like he gets too ambitious -- trying to force a throw into a very small window. One hopes that he learns from this and cuts down on those.

Kolb throws INTS where there is no window --

so where I see some thought process in Skelton's progressions -- I dont see it with Kolb, but rather a habit of deciding pre snap where the ball is going and throwing it there regardless of coverage.

Just to put a cherry on it --- when the pocket breaks down and each QB is on the move -- Skelton's plus / minus rating in those situations is generally positive. Kolb's is negative. For every one long completion to Fitz (or Jeff King in last year's season opener) it seems the team gets many, many more INTs, fumbles, deep sacks, etc

 

[Krangodnzr]

Leaving Young with no help was by design and is the right call. We absolutely have to test players in the preseason and the only way to test whether he can handle blocking on an island is to see it in a live game vs. First stringers.

I wouldn't doubt that Skelton was pulled because he was hurting. He walked off with a limp on his last snap.

 

[seesred]

I agree with those that highlite the awfull play of Young who should be cut today! Skelton had no chance. The Bean in his first action since last year was no help to JS. Dropped passes that were right on did not help Skelton and less time behind changed line as was promised was no help to JS.

Kolb looked good during no huddle hurry up offense, but, looked like Kolb the rest of the time. His interceptions were horrid despit the better line and running backs.'

I vote Skelton.

GBR
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[crisper57]

At least when Skelton makes a bone-headed play, it's like a 30-40 yards down field interception. Its almost like a punt.

When Kolb makes a boneheaded INT, it's within 10 yards of the LOS and usually in the shadow of our end zone.

 

[Duckjake]

Leaving Young with no help was by design and is the right call. We absolutely have to test players in the preseason and the only way to test whether he can handle blocking on an island is to see it in a live game vs. First stringers.

I wouldn't doubt that Skelton was pulled because he was hurting. He walked off with a limp on his last snap.

Why would you risk getting your QB hurt in a pre season game just to test a young Tackle? Seems to me that if you are going to do that you should have Bartel in with the first team instead of Skelton or Kolb.

Actually the Cards shouldn't be leaving their LT with no help under any circumstances.