AJ Hinch

[O]

Is a p***y!
Get yourself kicked out of a game.
Kick some dirt!
Do something.
Your team does not believe in you.
The umpires laugh at you.
Man up!
You could do wonders for yourself and your team if you put yourself on the line.

 

[green machine]

I remember a game, I think it was in San Diego, where it looked like he was doing everything he could to get kicked out and the ump wouldn't bite.

 

[BC867]

Showalter was a control freak, right down to their socks -- extreme.

Brenly used (and taught Melvin to use) 130+ different batting orders -- extreme.

Backman was an abusive alcoholic -- extreme.

Melvin was extremely passive -- extreme.

Hinch is extremely passive with no previous managing or coaching experience -- extreme.

When are the Diamondbacks going to realize that managers who are at one end or the other don't build consistency?

We need a solid, experienced manager who fits the definition of Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Plan for Tomorrow.

 

[Ryanwb]

Backman never managed a game for this team.... so I don't know how he popped into this discussion

I'm giving Hinch a pass because he has really reinvigorated the team in taking chances. I believe they have more stolen bases at this point in the season then all of last season (could be wrong). They are taking chances and are failing, which I can tolerate. Melvin would pull back to the point where it was disgusting.

There is dead weight on this team. It exists at various infield, outfield and bullpen positions. They need to go....

 

[BC867]

Backman never managed a game for this team.... so I don't know how he popped into this discussion.

I referred to the extremes in the managers the D'backs front office has chose,.

Wally Backman is one of the ones they chose.

 

[nashman]

Melvin was a much better manager than this freaking clown!

 

[82CardsGrad]

Melvin was a much better manager than this freaking clown!

Oh god.........

 

[green machine]

Melvin was a much better manager than this freaking clown!

Uhh, no?

 

[nashman]

Seriously? People actually think this clown is anywhere near the manager Melvin was? Sorry not buying it yet, let him get a manager of the year and actually have a team that is not making fools of themselves, make the playoffs for god sakes. This team is worse now than when Melvin was managing!

 

[82CardsGrad]

Seriously? People actually think this clown is anywhere near the manager Melvin was? Sorry not buying it yet, let him get a manager of the year and actually have a team that is not making fools of themselves, make the playoffs for god sakes. This team is worse now than when Melvin was managing!

Some will argue that we are scoring more runs per game under Hinch vs Melvin, therefore we are better off today... 'Course, I don't buy that - as I was claiming 2 months ago, the issues with this team were far removed from Melvin. Melvin was a classic scapegoat... the prototypical fall-guy. Though, I am certain he looks back now and thanks his lucky stars he was fired when he was...

 

[devilalum]

Some will argue that we are scoring more runs per game under Hinch vs Melvin, therefore we are better off today... 'Course, I don't buy that - as I was claiming 2 months ago, the issues with this team were far removed from Melvin. Melvin was a classic scapegoat... the prototypical fall-guy. Though, I am certain he looks back now and thanks his lucky stars he was fired when he was...

It seemed like he was going through the motions hoping to be fired.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It seemed like he was going through the motions hoping to be fired.

Do you blame him?

 

[BC867]

Hey guys, what does it matter which one is Bad and which one is Worse?

One rejoined the D'backs as a career .500 manager and stayed consistent as a .500 manager.

The other came up as a zero-experience buddy of the front office and has done what you'd expect.

And both have the personality and inspiration of an earthworm.

Who would you rather be trapped with . . . Jack the Ripper or Dracula?

The answer is . . . n...e...i...t...h...e...r .

The fans deserve better.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Hey guys, what does it matter which one is Bad and which one is Worse?

One rejoined the D'backs as a career .500 manager and stayed consistent as a .500 manager.

The other came up as a zero-experience buddy of the front office and has done what you'd expect.

And both have the personality and inspiration of an earthworm.

Who would you rather be trapped with . . . Jack the Ripper or Dracula?

The answer is . . . n...e...i...t...h...e...r .

The fans deserve better.

Unless proven otherwise, I don't believe Melvin resigned Byrnes and then Young??
2007 he was worthy of the Manager of the Year award... Just over a year later, he's worthless??
I'm not suggesting he's Joe Torre, but he was nothing more than the fall-guy... Josh Byrnes is the cancer.

 

[DWKB]

Seriously? People actually think this clown is anywhere near the manager Melvin was? Sorry not buying it yet, let him get a manager of the year and actually have a team that is not making fools of themselves, make the playoffs for god sakes. This team is worse now than when Melvin was managing!

I don't think you really understand why Hinch was hired or what this team is right now. Good thing the NBA season starts in a couple of months, then you can follow a real team with a real manager.

 

[DWKB]

Unless proven otherwise, I don't believe Melvin resigned Byrnes and then Young??
2007 he was worthy of the Manager of the Year award... Just over a year later, he's worthless??
I'm not suggesting he's Joe Torre, but he was nothing more than the fall-guy... Josh Byrnes is the cancer.

The credit or blame a MLB managers receives far outweighs any contribution they actually add to the team. Out of all the major sports they are the least influential.

And to repeat, JB never resigned EB, he even publicly stated the DBacks were not bringing him back. Jeff Moorad was who you should look at for that signing.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The credit or blame a MLB managers receives far outweighs any contribution they actually add to the team. Out of all the major sports they are the least influential.

And to repeat, JB never resigned EB, he even publicly stated the DBacks were not bringing him back. Jeff Moorad was who you should look at for that signing.

For the most part you are correct, though there have been managers over the years that were worthy of the praise or the ridicule tossed their way. Melvin was certainly not one of them however...
JB is a cancer nonetheless... irrespective of his involvement, or lack thereof, with the EB signing...

 

[DWKB]

For the most part you are correct, though there have been managers over the years that were worthy of the praise or the ridicule tossed their way. Melvin was certainly not one of them however...
JB is a cancer nonetheless... irrespective of his involvement, or lack thereof, with the EB signing...

I would never say they weren't influential, just that what is attributed to them by the fans and press is far more than the reality.

What are examples of JB's cancerous ways?

 

[82CardsGrad]

"Cancer" might be a bit strong I'll grant... However, he's been the GM since 2005, right?
You calim he had no involvement in EB - but as a GM, I would think he played a role. Chris Young? Chris Snyder? Chad Tracy? And then hiring Hinch...

Also, how many other GM's had a Manager of the Year on his staff, only to fire him just over a year later? Don't have the time to search that but I can't believe there are many, if any at all...

 

[DWKB]

"Cancer" might be a bit strong I'll grant... However, he's been the GM since 2005, right?
You calim he had no involvement in EB - but as a GM, I would think he played a role. Chris Young? Chris Snyder? Chad Tracy? And then hiring Hinch...

JB was involved in signing EB only in the sense that if he refused he could have lost his job. If you want to blame him for following his boss's wishes then so be it. As for CY, CS, and CT we can debate the value and decisions to trade or sign them, but I have a feeling I'd be on the side of most people's opinions in MLB. I mean you have a problem with Chris Snyder???

Also, how many other GM's had a Manager of the Year on his staff, only to fire him just over a year later? Don't have the time to search that but I can't believe there are many, if any at all...

Joe Girardi in 2006 for FLA gone in 2007
Showalter in 2004 for TX and was gone by 2007
Tony Pena in 2003 for KC, gone mid 2005
Piniella in 2001 for SEA, gone in 2003 (replaced by Melvin)
Jimmy Williams in 1999 for BOS, gone mid 2001
Jack McKeon in 1999 for CIN, gone in 2001

...then I quit looking, but I would say your perception is rather off.

 

[BC867]

Also, how many other GM's had a Manager of the Year on his staff, only to fire him just over a year later? Don't have the time to search that but I can't believe there are many, if any at all...

Ironically, just down the block, the Suns Mike D'Antoni was Coach of the Year in the NBA, later encouraged to look elsewhere, because he was a one-trick pony. His good regular seasons didn't play in with Eyes on the Prize.

Just as Melvin's win one-lose one overall coaching record didn't fulfill the D'backs potential.

They both proved weak in developing young players. That's part of the job.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

ROFL@ the cries for Bob Melvin..

****ing unbelievable...

 

[82CardsGrad]

ROFL@ the cries for Bob Melvin..

****ing unbelievable...

Yup...

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Ok, let's put some current views to the backburner for a second and cease in revisionist history.

EB: Yes, he's been a flop. Some of us can say "we told you so", however the overwhelming concensus around these parts (and others) was that "re-signing Byrnes was something the organization HAD to do, especially following the Gonzo fiasco".

Young: They took an approach based off a 32-25 season, to sign him while his value was still there and lock him up before he hit free agency and commanded more.

Byrnes also was the patriarch behind the Haren deal, which has been one of the best moves that franchise has made since choosing to sign Randy Johnson rather than Bernie Williams. If you people believe that Byrnes is the puppetmaster behind it all, I guess he deserves credit for Mark Reynolds too?

Joe, this isn't just aimed towards you. I like you, I enjoy your posts and I've always respected your opinion. Being you're the one who's post I saw last, it's just yours I'm responding directly to.

There's not a GM in baseball who doesn't whiff. Hindsight is 20-20, however the two signings that most seem to be brought up negatively against him (Byrnes and Young) were in one case the right one (Young) and the other the popular one.