Aldridge: Amare and Marbury didn't get along

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Granted it is Jared Jeffries > Amare Stoudemire Aldridge but still..

You may think I hate this deal from the PHX side. I don't hate it, really. I've heard for weeks that Steph and Amare Stoudemire haven't been feeling one another, that whatever chemistry the Suns had when they took the Spurs to the brink in the first round last spring never returned this season. Even Mike D'Antoni admitted before Monday's game with the Bulls that Steph may have dominated the ball to the detriment of Stoudemire and Shawn Marion.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Even Mike D'Antoni admitted before Monday's game with the Bulls that Steph may have dominated the ball to the detriment of Stoudemire and Shawn Marion.[/I]
I am no expert and I think Marbury is very good, but he dominates the ball too much.

Did anyone notice how little Barbosa needed to dribble around and hog the ball? He seemed to score his 27 points without trying.

We lost a great player, a guy that can put a team on his back. But it might end up helping this team become alot better.
 
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This has been mentioned by several people on this message board, including myself, several times this season. You could see Amare Stoudemire was frustrated by Marbury. I do believe it was one of the reasons Amare did not like to pass the ball when he finally got it.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
This has been mentioned by several people on this message board, including myself, several times this season. You could see Amare Stoudemire was frustrated by Marbury. I do believe it was one of the reasons Amare did not like to pass the ball when he finally got it.

Joe Mama

It is said that Amare passes te ball just fine in practice.

Actually, this issue was one of the ones that irriated Dice when he was here - not getting the ball in the paint. Was it Kidd or Ainge?

Amare is the only Suns big man since Sir Charles that always draws double teams when in the paint. The offense should be built around playing off that just like the Spurs do with Duncan.
 

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And you may be the worst team in the West. For now. But you have cap room and hope, and you can sell those things in the Land of the Sun. That is easier than pointing out that you have effectively traded Michael Finley, Pat Garrity, Hardaway, Jason Kidd and Marbury for Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley and the rights to Milos Vujanic. (Charlie Ward will be cut by Phoenix by pre-arrangement, and thus free to go to either the Rockets or Clippers, whoever gets to his agent first.)

He is a real ******!

And it isn't even correct.
Finley was traded for Kidd. He can't list him there
 

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Originally posted by King A
He is a real ******!

And it isn't even correct.
Finley was traded for Kidd. He can't list him there

Sequence trades analysis can be very confusing if it ignores draft picks and the value of having the player for a certain period of time. Also, clearing cap space can permit other trades which are not directly involved, but could not happen without the previous move.
 

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What a Jack***.

You don't word it like that, as if the Suns had ALL of those players at once and traded them to the Knicks. Also, he left out Lampe and 2 1st round picks, apparently to make it sound more clever.

In truth, the Suns effectively traded Sam Cassell, AC Green, Michael Finley, Pat Garrity, two first round picks and Trebanski for McDyess, Eisley, 2 first round picks, Lampe and Vujanic.

But I guess that doesn't have the same bite to it, does it David?
 

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Originally posted by newfan101
What a Jack***.

You don't word it like that, as if the Suns had ALL of those players at once and traded them to the Knicks. Also, he left out Lampe and 2 1st round picks, apparently to make it sound more clever.

In truth, the Suns effectively traded Sam Cassell, AC Green, Michael Finley, Pat Garrity, two first round picks and Trebanski for McDyess, Eisley, 2 first round picks, Lampe and Vujanic.

But I guess that doesn't have the same bite to it, does it David?

I am really intrigued by Lampe. I'm not sure that there are any centers in this year's draft that would be considered a better prospect. If his contractual situation had not been in doubt, he would have been a lottery pick last summer.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
I am really intrigued by Lampe. I'm not sure that there are any centers in this year's draft that would be considered a better prospect. If his contractual situation had not been in doubt, he would have been a lottery pick last summer.

True, but isn't this the same things a lot of us were saying about Big Jake a couple of years ago ... and we all saw how that turned out.
 
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Lampe isn't a stiff though.

I don't know if Brad Miller was much better when he entered the draft.
 

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Originally posted by Evil Ash
True, but isn't this the same things a lot of us were saying about Big Jake a couple of years ago ... and we all saw how that turned out.

Drafting big men is a crap shoot. The difference is that Lampe is a much better athlete. Here is a profile from Own the Draft:

The Info:
6/23 - Can he do it all? No. Will he be the next Dirk? Probably not, but maybe no one will ever be. He's in the classic Euro mold, versatile with a nifty inside-outside game. You can't knock him for that. He can play both forward positions and is expected to grow to 7'1" or 7'2". Not bad for an 18 year old. He could be a special player, and that's why he'll go no later than 8.

The following is part of an article in the NY Daily News:

After Sweetney, Layden drafted Lampe, an 18-year-old who was rumored to be going as high as No.5.

Lampe fell out of the first round because he is under contract with Real Madrid through 2008, although his contract can be bought out for $1 million. Lampe wants to join the Knicks for next season but it is unclear if the Knicks will buy out his contract.

NBA teams were only notified yesterday morning that Lampe's contract with Real Madrid included a buyout clause. Under league rules, the Knicks could only pay up to $350,000 of that buyout. That means Lampe would have to pick up the rest, making it unlikely that he would join the Knicks.

"We had a buyout and the thing was that a letter from FIBA (basketball's international governing body) came in telling teams that I didn't have a buyout," Lampe said. "But I thought everyone pretty much knew about the contract situation."

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Here is SI review of him:

BIO: Lampe is a 6-11 native of Poland who possesses a rare blend of skills. He is an outstanding perimeter shooter who has been compared to Dallas Mavericks superstar Dirk Nowitzki and is considered one of Europe's rising stars. The 18-year-old Lampe spent most of this past season with Universidad Complutense in Spain, which plays in a league just below the country's top league. Lampe averaged 18.6 points and 7.5 rebounds in 17 games. Although Lampe is close to seven feet tall, he has tremendous quickness and outstanding ballhandling skills. He played briefly for Real Madrid this past season before being loaned to his current club. A member of the Polish national team, Lampe also played with Alvik in Sweden in the 2000-01 season.

ANALYSIS: Lampe is just 18 years old, but he's got a world of potential. He can shoot, handle the ball and has good quickness for a man his size, but he still might be better suited to play power forward, where he'll be tough to stop when he develops an arsenal of moves. His only drawback right now is his youth and inexperience, but most observers believe Lampe is a quick study.

POSITIVES: Lampe is a tremendous long-range shooter at 6-11. Furthermore, he is skilled with his back to the basket, unlike many face-up scorers at the 4-spot. However, Lampe is not just a 4. He can fit in at center and small forward as well.

NEGATIVES: Sure, he can shoot the rock, but can Lampe put himself in position to exploit that talent? There have been countless big men to come into the league with long-range prowess, but many of them were unable to accomplish anything because they lacked the quickness to create shots off the dribble. Lampe is not exactly light on his feet, so there is obvious reason for concern that he will be another imitator.

PROJECTION: Early First Round
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
Drafting big men is a crap shoot. The difference is that Lampe is a much better athlete.

I wasn't saying that he wasn't going to be good for us (he might, he might not). I'm just saying don't have your hopes set so high just because he was a projected lottery pick ... thats all.
 

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Well, I think the Suns have an excellent draft history, and I trust their scouting. That being said, if they're right, he shouldn't end up being better than Zarko or Leandro. However, if those two guys show up like I think they can, he could still be a pretty good player.
 

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The clips I saw of Lampe made him look only slightly more athletic than Jake Tsakalidis. The difference is that Lampe is supposed to be a very good midrange to long-range shooter. If that's true, and the summer league is a good indication that it is, he will keep opposing defenses honest.

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He looked pretty decent with his back to the basket in the summer league.

Of course he had no power moves, only jumpers.

I doubt he will play much this season.

We will have Amare, McDyess, Zarko, Marion at the 3/4 while Amare will also play together with Dice and Voshkul, White and Williams at Center as well.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
He looked pretty decent with his back to the basket in the summer league.

Of course he had no power moves, only jumpers.

I doubt he will play much this season.

We will have Amare, McDyess, Zarko, Marion at the 3/4 while Amare will also play together with Dice and Voshkul, White and Williams at Center as well.

I disagree. I'll be surprised if he doesn't play 10 minutes per game... assuming he doesn't foul out that quickly.

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But Joe

there are are 96 minutes available at the forward positions.


Marion will get close to 40 at SF and SG. Amare will get 35+ at PF and C. McDyess will get 20-30 minutes at PF , virtually everything that Amare doesn't play. Zarko will play everything Marion doesn't play at SF.

Say Amare takes 13 minutes at the center position.

That leaves 35 minutes for Voshkul, White, Harvey and Lampe.


I would guess that Harvey will be very unhappy once the other guys return.
 

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You are correct. I had not gone through to add up the numbers and minutes until just now. I imagine they'll try to get Lampe some time before both Cabarkapa and Amare Stoudemire return to see what he can do. If he shows any promise I'm sure they will find a way to get him some time probably coming at the expense of Jake Voskuhl, Jahidi White, Donnell Harvey, and/or Antonio McDyess. I also was thinking that with this much frontcourt depth they'll try to get Shawn Marion down closer to 35 mpg.

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David Aldridge was just on NBA Fast-break on ESPN. He was talking about the Phoenix Suns side of the trade. He didn't come out and say it, but it sounded like he likes the deal for Phoenix. He did say that Shawn Marion told them yesterday that he has not had a good season so far. He said that Marion would not elaborate on his relationship with Marbury. Aldridge said that he had been hearing all year that both Amare and Shawn love Marbury, but they were not happy with him on the court. They did not like the way he was dominating the ball. Apparently D'Antoni said something about the team not liking that style of play, but they had to do it to win with Marbury.

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Originally posted by slinslin
Why?

Our new guys aren't playing tomorrow.

I guess we will see a lot Barbosa again. :D

You're a little jerky sometimes, aren't you?

Why won't they play tomorrow night? They'll get their physicals during the day--just like Steph and Penny did today.
 
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I read somewhere on suns.com or azcentral that they would make their debut against Sacramento.

They just flew to Phoenix today to take their physicals.

But the team is in Milwaukee.

It is not like the Suns want to rush them into playing so they can win against Milwaukee.
 

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