All-Defensive Teams Announced: Marion Should Be Pissed

[asudevil83]

All-First Team:
Bowen
Bell
Bryant
Duncan
Camby

All-Second Team:
Kidd
Hinrich
Prince
Garnett
Wallace

dont know the All-Third Team....but i would expect Marion to be there. For a guy who was in the running for top defender, this is a pretty big snub again.

http://www.nba.com/news/alldefensive_070430.html

 

[ndjmc]

wow.....that sucks....

 

[elindholm]

That's really very surprising. He finishes fourth in DPOY, but doesn't make either of the first two teams? I'm tempted to suspect the leak is wrong.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Raja Bell on the 1st team? Seriously? No way in hell Heinrich is (should be) on that list.

 

[mribnik]

Raja Bell doesn't deserve to be on the first team and Kobe certainly doesn't deserve to be there. This just goes to show that the All-defensive teams, more than any other award, are based solely on reputation.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

That's really very surprising. He finishes fourth in DPOY, but doesn't make either of the first two teams? I'm tempted to suspect the leak is wrong.

http://www.nba.com/news/alldefensive_070430.html

The leak wasn't wrong, but I definitely find it surprising that Marion isn't at least on the second team. I like the Hinrich on the second team - he absolutely harassed Dwyane Wade in the first round (yes, I know Wade was hurt).

In any case, congratulations, Raja! At the very least, he takes his defense very seriously and does a commendable job. Worthy of a first-team defense nod? Probably not.

 

[TucsonDevil]

link?

edit: *nevermind

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Raja Bell doesn't deserve to be on the first team and Kobe certainly doesn't deserve to be there. This just goes to show that the All-defensive teams, more than any other award, are based solely on reputation.

Usually I'd agree, but what about Hinrich? Has he EVER shutdown anyone?

 

[mribnik]

Usually I'd agree, but what about Hinrich? Has he EVER shutdown anyone?

I'm not sure why you're down on Hinrich, he's been an excellent defender all year IMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm not sure why you're down on Hinrich, he's been an excellent defender all year IMO.

Not really down on him, but I would like to see some stats to backup his ranking here. I have watched about 10 Bulls games this year, and he didn't look like a All 2nd team defender to me. JMHO.

 

[azirish]

So now it's confirmed, Marion IS underappreciated.

 

[mribnik]

I still can't believe Bryant got put on the 1st team (well, actually I can believe it). He had about as much of a defensive impact this year as Marcus Banks. Non-existent for about 75 games out of the year and played some solid defense for 5 minute stretches in the other 7. He has the ability to be one of the best defenders in the league, but he uses so much energy on offense that he has nothing left on the other end IMO. That's one of the biggest differences between him and Jordan IMO. Jordan could do both all night.

 

[devilfan02]

Usually I'd agree, but what about Hinrich? Has he EVER shutdown anyone?

Hinrich is a very good defender. IMO, there's no problem with him being on that list

 

[jbeecham]

Did a completely different set of people vote on this then those that voted for DPOY?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Did a completely different set of people vote on this then those that voted for DPOY?

that is a good question. Not sure.

 

[elindholm]

So Marion got five first-team votes, five second-team votes, and was ignored by the other 19 coaches. (D'Antoni wasn't allowed to vote for him.) Two thirds of opposing coaches in the league didn't think he was one of the four best defenders among forwards. I think Duncan's defense is overrated these days, but it's hard to argue with putting Bowen, Garnett, and Prince ahead of Marion. Those are the breaks, I guess.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I still don't understand how you can finish 3rd is DPOY, and not place in the top 4 of Forwards in the League for one of the top two defensive teams.

BTW, that clothesline Bell put on Kobe sure helped his rep a lot...

 

[jbeecham]

DPOY was voted on by the media and all-defensive teams are done by the 30 head coaches. I think Marion was 4th in DPOY voting.

 

[Azlen]

It should also be noted that Bruce Bowen got more votes in this than Marcus Camby who won the DPOY.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It should also be noted that Bruce Bowen got more votes in this than Marcus Camby who won the DPOY.

Which tells you that at least one of the voting methods are garbage.

 

[jbeecham]

It should also be noted that Bruce Bowen got more votes in this than Marcus Camby who won the DPOY.

and Duncan got more votes than Ben Wallace.....

 

[slinslin]

Sportswriters vote on DPOY
NBA Coachs vote on All-NBA Teams

=

Marion is rather overrated, he simply isn't that good defensively, I will trust the coachs on this.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Marion is a "jack of all trades, master of none" defender. He doesn't shut down anyone without help, but he may be the most versatile defender in the NBA. In many games, he'll defend all five positions, and he deserves credit for that. It's his ability to defend bigger guys that, more than anything other than Steve Nash, allows the Suns to play the way they do.

 

[asudevil83]

here's how the voting broke down:

2006-07 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM:
Position Player , Team 1st Team Votes 2nd Team Votes (Total Points)
Forward Bruce Bowen, San Antonionio 19 4 42
Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio 16 4 36
Center Marcus Camby, Denver 11 12 34
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 14 4 32
Guard Raja Bell, Phoenix 7 11 25

2006-07 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Points
Center Ben Wallace, Chicago 12 9 33
Guard Jason Kidd, New Jersey 8 7 23
Forward Tayshaun Prince, Detroit 7 7 21
Forward Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 8 4 20
Guard Kirk Hinrich, Chicago 7 4 18

Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses):
Shane Battier, Houston, 17 (6)
Shawn Marion, Phoenix, 15 (5)
Chauncey Billups, Detroit, 13 (5)
Ron Artest, Sacramento, 12 (4)
Gerald Wallace, Charlotte, 11 (2)
Alonzo Mourning, Miami, 9 (4)
Devin Harris, Dallas, 8 (2)
Tyson Chandler, New Orleans/Oklahoma City, 8 (2)
Josh Howard, Dallas, 7
Emeka Okafor, Charlotte, 6 (1)
Luol Deng, Chicago, 5 (2)
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit, 5 (1)
Dwight Howard, Orlando, 5 (1)
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 5
Josh Smith, Atlanta, 4 (1)
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio, 4 (1)
Richard Hamilton, Detroit, 3 (1)
Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana, 3 (1)
Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 3
Deron Williams, Utah, 3
Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers, 2 (1)
Dwyane Wade, Miami, 2
Trenton Hassell, Minnesota, 2 (1)
Tony Parker, San Antonio, 2
Caron Butler, Washington, 2
Chris Duhon, Chicago, 1
Allen Iverson, Denver, 1
Udonis Haslem, Miami, 1
Richard Jefferson, New Jersey, 1
Chris Paul, New Orleans/Oklahoma City, 1
Andre Miller, Philadelphia, 1
Joel Przybilla, Portland, 1
Francisco Elson, San Antonio, 1
Chris Bosh, Toronto, 1
Gilbert Arenas, Washington, 1

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Marion finished 5 votes out of the second team, so if there is a third team he is on it.

Being the 5th ranked defensive forward in the league is no insult and certainly isn't "overrated".