Allowing Levi Brown to Reach Free Agency Is...

[52brandon]

I believe David Deihl of the Giants according to Pro Football Focus, but I could be wrong.

really? Wow. I never would have guess that, given that they're the worst running team but still won the SB. Maybe we should keep Levi then, that way both Mannings can play with the worst LTs in the NFL lol

 

[Chopper0080]

really? Wow. I never would have guess that, given that they're the worst running team but still won the SB. Maybe we should keep Levi then, that way both Mannings can play with the worst LTs in the NFL lol

Yeah, it's why I don't put a ton of stock into Pro Football Focus' offensive line rankings. Levi is an average OT in the NFL. No better, no worse.

 

[Stout]

I have never seen proof of this. I said it in another thread, but take the emotion out of it. You are letting your "fan" warp your perspective on Levi Brown. He is not the worst LT in football, probably a better fit at RT, and was an underachieving top 10 pick. Those are facts. He is durable, can start on either side, is a decent run blocker, and is under 30. Those are also facts. In the end, he is the best OT on our roster, and possibly the most reliable option in free agency. How much is all of this worth? I'd want to pay 6.5 million, be ok with 7, but he probably gets between 8 and 9 on the open market.

Those are opinions. I might vociferously agree with Levi Brown's defenders, but at least I present them as opinions. He is quite possibly the worst LT in football. You saying that Diehl is is just as valid as me saying that Brown is. You got a lot of it right--he's durable (doesn't mean he's good), he's an underachieving top 10 pick, he is a decent run blocker (about his only positive outside of durability) and he is under 30. IMO he is NOT the best OT on our roster, and that is pretty sad, given our lack of quality OTs. He can't start on either side for us, IMO, although if he signed on the cheap as a backup, I'd rather he backup at RT.

YOU are letting YOUR 'holier than thou' attitude warp YOUR perspective on this topic. Where do you get off patting me on the head, excusing my silly opinions because I'm just a confused fan, and spouting off opinions as facts? Re-read your post and see how friggin' arrogant and insulting it is. Your opinion means just as much as mine, in reality--nada. We're BOTH just two fans discussing a topic. I'd look just as ridiculous if I quoted my opinions as facts as you just did.

 

[Chopper0080]

Those are opinions. I might vociferously agree with Levi Brown's defenders, but at least I present them as opinions. He is quite possibly the worst LT in football. You saying that Diehl is is just as valid as me saying that Brown is. You got a lot of it right--he's durable (doesn't mean he's good), he's an underachieving top 10 pick, he is a decent run blocker (about his only positive outside of durability) and he is under 30. IMO he is NOT the best OT on our roster, and that is pretty sad, given our lack of quality OTs. He can't start on either side for us, IMO, although if he signed on the cheap as a backup, I'd rather he backup at RT.

YOU are letting YOUR 'holier than thou' attitude warp YOUR perspective on this topic. Where do you get off patting me on the head, excusing my silly opinions because I'm just a confused fan, and spouting off opinions as facts? Re-read your post and see how friggin' arrogant and insulting it is. Your opinion means just as much as mine, in reality--nada. We're BOTH just two fans discussing a topic. I'd look just as ridiculous if I quoted my opinions as facts as you just did.

I didn't say I thought David Deihl was the worst LT in football, I said I believe that is what Pro Football Focus claims.

As far as our roster goes, who is better? If you are claiming that Jeremy Bridges or Anthony Batiste (?) is, then you are wrong. There is a reason Levi Brown will get 7+ million in FA, and it isn't because he is worse than Bridges.

As far as presenting opinions as facts, yes, this is one situation where the facts back my opinion which is why I will post it as such. When market value for a player is projected to be above 5 million per year, claiming that he is no better than a career backup in Jeremy Bridges is ludicrous and I am not afraid to point it out as such.

 

[Stout]

I didn't say I thought David Deihl was the worst LT in football, I said I believe that is what Pro Football Focus claims.

As far as our roster goes, who is better? If you are claiming that Jeremy Bridges or Anthony Batiste (?) is, then you are wrong. There is a reason Levi Brown will get 7+ million in FA, and it isn't because he is worse than Bridges.

As far as presenting opinions as facts, yes, this is one situation where the facts back my opinion which is why I will post it as such. When market value for a player is projected to be above 5 million per year, claiming that he is no better than a career backup in Jeremy Bridges is ludicrous and I am not afraid to point it out as such.

No problem, then. Your facts are wrong and you are naive to present them as facts. You are wrong and it is clear that the facts are on my side. That sounds silly, doesn't it? Well, if you can do it, so can I.

Stewart Bradley got 5 million from us last year, so that means he must be a damn good linebacker, right? Wrong. Just because a player makes money in FA doesn't mean he's good. That's just a stupid argument.

The facts do NOT back your opinion. I could just as easily say that Levi Brown is clearly the worst LT in the league, and that is a FACT. Well, I definitely think it is true, and since claiming that he isn't is ludicrous I could just as easily not be afraid to point it out as a fact. I'm not doing that, however, because I don't want to sound like a condescending know-it-all.

The only FACT in this discussion about Levi Brown is that it is a polarizing issue with hard and fast opinions on both sides. I've enjoyed the back-and-forth with different people because, whether I like it or not, we've been backed into a pretty crappy position by our team, and this is one of the burning issues of the day for us. What will drag this discussion down to the level of absurdity is when one side or the other starts waving the flag of their own opinion and start claiming that their opinion is fact. I could easily be wrong on some points, and you could easily be wrong on some points. The only FACT is that just because you say something is a fact doesn't make it so.