Am I the only one who wants to keep Amare?

[JCSunsfan]

I see these trade options for players with huge flaws. Dalembert? Are you kidding me? The guy is way too slow for our system. Even Bosh is only a marginal defensive player who is way overpaid. Iggy is such a redundancy on this team and overpaid. I am not sure he would be much better than JRich. And we can only hope any draft picks we get will be as good as Amare is.

The only acceptible solution to this is to negotiate a reasonable contract with Amare (maybe starting at $10 m per year), and move ahead.

BTW. Gentry might be the best possible coach for Amare. He seems to have the fatherly type of persona with him, that might actually develop him more in the future.

STEVE KERR, DON'T DO STUPID TRADES JUST BECAUSE A PLAYER MIGHT OPT OUT. Remember what you did with Shawn Marion.

 

[Ronin]

Sign Amare to a reasonable contract? Sure!
Sign Amare to a Max contract? Heck no!

 

[Sunburn]

That's just it. Amare won't sign a contract for 10 M per year, or anything in the ballpark of "reasonable. His expectation of "reasonable" is completely disaligned from that of the FO's expectation. The Suns would be thrilled if Amare were willing to sign for something around 10 M per year, but he's not. That's where all this max contract stuff has come from. Where have you been?

 

[devilalum]

There isn't one thing I can't stand about Amare and there are a lot of things I like.

There are just too many red flags. If Amare resigns with the Suns it will have to be a max contract. If he becomes a free agent and has to wait and see I think he will sign a more reasonable contract. Marion told the Suns that he would walk if he didn't get a max type contract. The Suns traded him and he ended up signing for just over the mid.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Sign Amare to a reasonable contract? Sure!
Sign Amare to a Max contract? Heck no!

This... additionally, hasn't now become entangled with Nash?? I mean, for as long as Nash remains a Sun, shouldn't Amare (if at a reasonable price)? For if we do get rid of Amare, what's the point in keeping Nash?? Getting rid of Amare will now become nothing more than dumping $$ and beginning the rebuilding process. Seems a bit shortsighted to only get rid of Amare. Ideally we could find a way to keep him at the reasonable price-tag. But if we can't, I'd vote for not jsut dumping him, but tossing Nash into the equation as well and seeing what we can get in return for those two... Crazy??

 

[Yuma]

There isn't one thing I can't stand about Amare and there are a lot of things I like.

There are just too many red flags. If Amare resigns with the Suns it will have to be a max contract. If he becomes a free agent and has to wait and see I think he will sign a more reasonable contract. Marion told the Suns that he would walk if he didn't get a max type contract. The Suns traded him and he ended up signing for just over the mid.

In football, AJ Smith, GM of the Chargers, has had several players that hit this situation. He doesn't even give them an initial offer. He has told them visit other teams, bring me your best offer, and we'll negotiate from there. He's resigned all the guys he wanted to keep by doing this, because as you pointed out, sometimes guys like Marion only get mid level offers.

Like Barkley said, how can you give a guy who isn't even the best player on your team the max contract?

 

[Sunburn]

In football, AJ Smith, GM of the Chargers, has had several players that hit this situation. He doesn't even give them an initial offer. He has told them visit other teams, bring me your best offer, and we'll negotiate from there. He's resigned all the guys he wanted to keep by doing this, because as you pointed out, sometimes guys like Marion only get mid level offers.

Like Barkley said, how can you give a guy who isn't even the best player on your team the max contract?

I like your moves, I like your style

 

[dreamcastrocks]

In football, AJ Smith, GM of the Chargers, has had several players that hit this situation. He doesn't even give them an initial offer. He has told them visit other teams, bring me your best offer, and we'll negotiate from there. He's resigned all the guys he wanted to keep by doing this, because as you pointed out, sometimes guys like Marion only get mid level offers.

Like Barkley said, how can you give a guy who isn't even the best player on your team the max contract?

Someone will give Amare the max. Teams like Chicago, Miami, Philly etc that lose out on the Lebron/Wade sweepstakes will be looking for someone and Amare will be that person.

 

[SirStefan32]

Someone will give Amare the max. Teams like Chicago, Miami, Philly etc that lose out on the Lebron/Wade sweepstakes will be looking for someone and Amare will be that person.

Good, let them.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Good, let them.

Why?

I understand all of the flaws in Amare's game. But you let him go and then you have to trust the front office to actually rebuild this franchise from scratch? Most people that want Amare gone (it seems) also have no faith in the front office. Double edged sword.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Why?

I understand all of the flaws in Amare's game. But you let him go and then you have to trust the front office to actually rebuild this franchise from scratch? Most people that want Amare gone (it seems) also have no faith in the front office. Double edged sword.

Let's be fair - almost NOBODY has faith in this FO, regardless their stance on Amare.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Well as long as Amare keeps playing like this in the playoff's like he's playing on the 5 game winning streak then sure , I just hope if after the trade deadline if we don't trade him that he doesn't goes back to the no defense, no rebounding just score amare. Big test for Amare tonight against Portland should be a good game.

 

[Mainstreet]

Why?

I understand all of the flaws in Amare's game. But you let him go and then you have to trust the front office to actually rebuild this franchise from scratch? Most people that want Amare gone (it seems) also have no faith in the front office. Double edged sword.

I completely agree.

I would be willing for the Suns to trade Amare if they could get some value (players/ picks) in return. However, I do not trust the Suns FO to make a reasonable trade without looking out for their financial interest first and foremost. I do not want another cost cutting trade like with Shaq. The Suns couldn't even get a first round draft pick from Cleveland.

This makes me leery of the Suns trading Amare even though I think it is the right move. I don't want the Suns FO to pocket a bunch of cash in an Amare trade and call it financial flexibility. I want talent in return.

 

[SirStefan32]

Why?

I understand all of the flaws in Amare's game. But you let him go and then you have to trust the front office to actually rebuild this franchise from scratch? Most people that want Amare gone (it seems) also have no faith in the front office. Double edged sword.

Why? Because Amare is not worth anywhere near $20+ mil per year. If he gets that much, you don't have money for any kind of decent support cast.
If there is a GM stupid enough to pay $20 mil for a one dimensional player who can't guard a chair, that's fine, let him sign Amare to a max deal.

 

[nashman]

Amare from my understanding can only get a true max deal from the Suns. No team is going to want to pay him max money as he has proven he is a lazy, injury prone PF that plays so inconsistantly its madning!

 

[mojorizen7]

This... additionally, hasn't now become entangled with Nash?? I mean, for as long as Nash remains a Sun, shouldn't Amare (if at a reasonable price)? For if we do get rid of Amare, what's the point in keeping Nash?? Getting rid of Amare will now become nothing more than dumping $$ and beginning the rebuilding process. Seems a bit shortsighted to only get rid of Amare. Ideally we could find a way to keep him at the reasonable price-tag. But if we can't, I'd vote for not jsut dumping him, but tossing Nash into the equation as well and seeing what we can get in return for those two... Crazy??

Agree. If the SUNS plan on riding this Nash fun n gun crap for the next 3 years then by all means....pay Amare to stay here and do nothing but score points w/Nash.
Does anybody really know what direction the SUNS are headed and where they want to be anymore?
I don't.

 

[devilalum]

Why?

If they max out Amare and he has another hole drilling surgery it will set the franchise back 10 years.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Agree. If the SUNS plan on riding this Nash fun n gun crap for the next 3 years then by all means....pay Amare to stay here and do nothing but score points w/Nash.
Does anybody really know what direction the SUNS are headed and where they want to be anymore?
I don't.

Yup... the fact that they haven't been able to secure an appropriate deal for Amare has tossed a wrench into their gears. And so, at this stage, knowing that there is literally nothing out there of value in a trade for Amare, I say if you feel you need to dump him, dump Nash along with him. Otherwise, sign the dude to a 3 year, 40-45 million dollar deal and try to find some pieces that could get this team deep into the post season...

 

[cly2tw]

Why? Because Amare is not worth anywhere near $20+ mil per year. If he gets that much, you don't have money for any kind of decent support cast.
If there is a GM stupid enough to pay $20 mil for a one dimensional player who can't guard a chair, that's fine, let him sign Amare to a max deal.

Well, if that GM pairs the maxed out Amare with Wade and has the team win a championship in the next 3 years. He ain't stupid.

There isn't one thing I can't stand about Amare and there are a lot of things I like.

There are just too many red flags. If Amare resigns with the Suns it will have to be a max contract. If he becomes a free agent and has to wait and see I think he will sign a more reasonable contract. Marion told the Suns that he would walk if he didn't get a max type contract. The Suns traded him and he ended up signing for just over the mid.

Marion was a crystal clear case. We never should have signed him to the first max deal, without competing offers, in the first place. He was overpaid by 5mil or so every year. You can't say that about Amare. IMO, Amare's only problem is the injury concern. It's a gamble. Suns have been sending signals that they see it serious. This could be a bargaining trick to deter other suitors to overbid for him, for fear of winner's curse. We'll see.

 

[82CardsGrad]

IMO, Amare's only problem is the injury concern. It's a gamble. Suns have been sending signals that they see it serious. This could be a bargaining trick to deter other suitors to overbid for him, for fear of winner's curse. We'll see.

Huh?? Guess you haven't paid much attention to his defense and rebounding over the last 5 years or so...

 

[SunsTzu]

If they max out Amare and he has another hole drilling surgery it will set the franchise back 10 years.

Only if they keep getting rid of their 1st round picks. David Robinson going down with injury got the Spurs Duncan.

 

[devilalum]

Only if they keep getting rid of their 1st round picks. David Robinson going down with injury got the Spurs Duncan.

That was pre-lotto. In today's NBA their tanking an entire season could have just as easily got them Armon Gilliam.

And the Spurs did this again for Duncan. There is a special place reserved in Hell for the Spurs franchise.

 

[SunsTzu]

That was pre-lotto. In today's NBA their tanking an entire season could have just as easily got them Armon Gilliam.

And the Spurs did this again for Duncan. There is a special place reserved in Hell for the Spurs franchise.

Duncan was not pre-lotto. It was the Celtics that tanked horribly that year for a chance at Duncan but missed out. Spurs actually didn't have a great shot at him they just got lucky.

My point is if something horrible happens and the Suns have a bad year they can atleast get something good out of it provided they start holding onto their picks.

 

[sunsfan88]

Sign Amare to a reasonable contract? Sure!
Sign Amare to a Max contract? Heck no!

What he said ^^. Amare has durable concerns and his defensive abilities are questionable. I don't believe Amare is the same without Nash.

 

[Blackification]

Amare from my understanding can only get a true max deal from the Suns. No team is going to want to pay him max money as he has proven he is a lazy, injury prone PF that plays so inconsistantly its madning!

Lazy? Maybe on defense but would a lazy person come back from so many injuries and still play at the same level if not better? He can be described with many negative things but lazy is not one of them.