Am I the only one with doubts about Warner?

[CardinalMike]

After watching the game, I TiVO'd it so I sat down and watched almost every passing play in slow motion.

That being said, I just can't get excited about Warner. Most of his passes were off the mark, some way off the mark such as the fluke TD catch which was a grossly overthrown pass to BJ. Not to mention most of the passes wobbled as I only counted 2 perfect spiral passes.

I understand it was the first preseason game so I am hopeful the tape of the KC game will be better but at this point I am starting to get a little wary that Warner is not going to return to anything near his MVP season performances.

Anyone else feeling a little worried after watching the tape?

Cardinal Mike!!

 

[az1965]

IMO, a 70-80% Warner will be much better than McCown.

 

[CardinalLaw]

IMO, a 70-80% Warner will be much better than McCown.

Well Said. I would be alot more worried about whats behind Warner.

 

[Redsz]

This was brought up after the game and mostly put down to things like working at game speed and Warner still getting on the same page as his recievers. The more game time he gets, the better he will perform (atleast that is the hope).

We don't need the MVP Warner. We need a capable QB, because this team is going to win games with defense. Not with the hope of out scoring opponents.

 

[vince56]

Well Said. I would be alot more worried about whats behind Warner.

McCown looked terrible in the Cowboys game.

 

[D-Dogg]

McCown looked terrible in the Cowboys game.

You are far too kind.

 

[AZ Sports Native]

You need not worry about Warner. Remember, he has the lord on his his side... just recall his post Super Bowl comments... "I just want to thank the Lord Jesus Christ..." See, now Jesus will be a Cards fan because Warner is our QB now. Now if JC can just convice his pops to be one too...

 

[BigRedRage]

yeah hes terrible, lets review joshs performance, he should start

 

[OKCardFan]

You need not worry about Warner. Remember, he has the lord on his his side... just recall his post Super Bowl comments... "I just want to thank the Lord Jesus Christ..." See, now Jesus will be a Cards fan because Warner is our QB now. Now if JC can just convice his pops to be one too...

Mike, I TIVO'd it also and saw the same things you did. However, I think it will get much better. If he stays healthy, this could be a very exciting season!

And after seeing Joshs' performance, I'm ready to make Navarre the backup and try and find a new third-stringer. JMHO.

 

[Renz]

I watched some clips recently from Warner's MVP years and a lot of those passes were wobblers too, so that doesn't concern me.

The accuracy is a bit of a concern, but I think he will keep improving as he gets more comfortable with Rowen's system and his new teammates.

 

[Russ Smith]

I have concerns but the difference to me is Warner not only KNOWS where to go, he sees it. I'd rather have a guy who might flutter a ball now and then throwing to the right spot, than a guy who never sees the right spot but throws a real tight spiral.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Fran Tarkenton "wobbled" his way to the Hall of Fame.

Vince Ferragamo had the nicest spiral ever and was a bust in both the NFL and CFL (for those who may remember).

The ball either gets there or it doesn't... it's either catchable or not... and I've never heard of any complaints from Warner's wideouts.

 

[Mulli]

Funny how the recent criticism of Warner makes one think we are discussing Shaun King. Now that guy threw WOBBLERS.

 

[SouthNZoneFan]

Warner will be fine. it was the first game of the season. The preseason non the less...

He only practiced with the team for a few weeks prior. Give him some credit. He is much more proven than Josh or Navarre...

BTW - I am all about Navarre being named as the second.

 

[JeffGollin]

Consider the alternative.

And try to put Warner's performance into some sort of context.

- He completed something like 15 for 19 and had a QB rating for the game of somewhere around 111. Now I'm not big on stats, but we haven't seen those numbers out of a Cardinal QB in the past 2 decades.

- Warner's performance was far better than McCown's and Knight's all last year. (I realize that's not saying much, but we were able to get within one game of a .500 winning percentage with those guys). Warner, while far from perfect, still represents a major improvement.

- I didn't go over Warner's performance with a microscope the way some of you guys did, but my perception was that most of his passes were legitimate vertical throws; and there weren't a lot of dump-offs to backs (of the kind that usually pad a QB's completion percentage).

- In short, given the talent-level of this team, I don't think we need John Elway or Peyton Manning behind center to win; just someone who's about 20% better than McCown was last year. (I thought Warner - while not perfect - exceeded that standard last Saturday).

He made me feel comfortable that he can get the job done.

 

[slanidrac16]

As I have said before , WArner will not hitch this team on his back and carry us to the promise land. What he will do is execute. He knows where to throw the, when to throw the ball and gets it to there on time.

I do worry about his durability but a lot of that concern rests on the o-line.

We need J.J., Shipp or somebody to bust a couple of nice runs to make defenses respect or running game which in turn will enhance our play/action. THAT is when we will become an offensive force.

Speaking of SAturdays game, it certainly was nice to see a few pass completions of more than 5 yards.

 

[Russ Smith]

- Warner's performance was far better than McCown's and Knight's all last year. (I realize that's not saying much, but we were able to get within one game of a .500 winning percentage with those guys). Warner, while far from perfect, still represents a major improvement.

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Did you just demote Shaun King to a knight?

Well deserved after the way he played last year btw.

Like I said, the to me the intriguing thing about King last year was that he was a veteran who was supposed to know where to throw the ball. he certainly did more than Josh, but he still was quite alarming about throwing the ball into coverage, far less veteran savvy than I'd hoped.

Warner on the other hand absolutely knows where to go with the ball, he reads defenses, he reads pre snap stuff and can change plays, his problem has been durability and holding onto the football. If you give him time to throw he will pick ANYBODY apart downfield because he absolutely WILL see the field and find the right guy and get the ball there. If we can't protect him that's where the issue of taking sacks, fumbles, or forcing throws leading to INT's comes into play.

It's been a long time since we had a QB who understands the game the way Warner does.

 

[conraddobler]

I'm just afraid we are going to see more of Josh than we want too.

I Tivo'd the game too, saw the same things, I think on the NFL network Sterling Sharpe pointed out that the throw to Fitz was a fluke it was an overthrow to Johnson and in slow motion it's pretty obvious that's what it was.

I agree with Russ that Warner is light years ahead of the game because at least he knows where the ball should go.

Josh even though I have liked him personally as a player, still has no clue and that's pretty much all she wrote on that one. Can't wait forever for someone to figure that out.

I'd really like to see a game where Warner only gets one series and the other two QB's both get to work some with the first unit for a series or two.

Ideally I'd lilke to see Josh and Navarre get two full series in with the first unit, I think it's needed to sort it out.

 

[john h]

After watching the game, I TiVO'd it so I sat down and watched almost every passing play in slow motion.

That being said, I just can't get excited about Warner. Most of his passes were off the mark, some way off the mark such as the fluke TD catch which was a grossly overthrown pass to BJ. Not to mention most of the passes wobbled as I only counted 2 perfect spiral passes.

I understand it was the first preseason game so I am hopeful the tape of the KC game will be better but at this point I am starting to get a little wary that Warner is not going to return to anything near his MVP season performances.

Anyone else feeling a little worried after watching the tape?

Cardinal Mike!!

Warner's results are what counts and they were very good indeed. I think he will be the best QB we have had in a decade and if he stays healthy we will be a playoff contender. We still do need a running game which is still a question mark in my mind.

 

[Totally_Red]

My concern with Kurt Warner is that he gets hurt and our season of destiny goes down the tubes. Unless Josh and/or Navarre step it up dramatically, we are in deep doo-doo offensively without Warner. (See da Bears.)

 

[arthurracoon]

He made me feel comfortable that he can get the job done.

 

[chickenhead]

I have concerns but the difference to me is Warner not only KNOWS where to go, he sees it. I'd rather have a guy who might flutter a ball now and then throwing to the right spot, than a guy who never sees the right spot but throws a real tight spiral.

I totally agree with this. Though I supported him and really wanted him to do well, McCown had all sort of talents and skills that he couldn't quite put to use. I don't have those concerns with Warner. Even with the Giants, he rarely made purely bad plays. He took a lot of sacks, and though some of them were simply because he hung on too long, many were due to inadequate protection, or simply due to being the only alternative to a play with high turnover risk.

Anyway, this was his first game situation in Arizona, after being on the bench for half a season. I'll give him a little more time for orientation.

 

[conraddobler]

Warner's results are what counts and they were very good indeed. I think he will be the best QB we have had in a decade and if he stays healthy we will be a playoff contender. We still do need a running game which is still a question mark in my mind.

I agree, I think the concern I have is what happens if he goes down?

You'd like to think we could win a few games with the backup, mostly because Warner is injury prone and asking that guy to stay healthy behind a line like ours is asking a lot.

I don't doubt our line is vastly improved, what scares me is that as new together as they are confusion on one play could get Warner killed and that's all it's going to take to ruin our season.

Josh, I think is regressing not getting better, Navarre might be our only hope and that's a scary thought.

 

[CardLogic]

RE: the wobble

I recall, don't remember the source, the Warner's throws do tend to wobble because of the way he holds the ball. As a previous post in this thread stated, his passes wobbled when in St. Louis also. The article also went on to say the reason Warner holds the ball as he does is to aid in the accuracy of the throw. I know that this may seem counter-intuitive, however the results will speak for themselves.

To JeffG. - I would like to say how much I appreciate your contributions to this board. Your comments always "speak" with clarity and reasonableness. (and I don't just throw 'coons around with regularity! )

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I recall, don't remember the source, the Warner's throws do tend to wobble because of the way he holds the ball. As a previous post in this thread stated, his passes wobbled when in St. Louis also. The article also went on to say the reason Warner hold the ball as he does is to aid in the accuracy of the throw. I know that this may seem counter-intuitive, however the results will speak for themselves.

To JeffG. - I would like to say how much I appreciate your contributions to this board. Your comments always "speak" with clarity and reasonableness. (and I don't just throw 'coons around with regularity! )

Warner places his index finger on the tip of the ball...