Amare ejection was Bull-ONEY!

[zett]

I didn't realize that Amare had 1 T already, I thought that they should of both got T's but was upset when Amare was tossed and spree was still playing.
Jim peterson is as clueless about superstars as he was at playing, But I think he has a huge man crush on Amare also

 

[George O'Brien]

At least Amare got rested up for Yao.

 

[devilalum]

Manu Ginobli and Tony Parker are young.

but neither one of them is great.

That team is Duncan and role players.

The Suns may not pass them up this year but next year....

 

[elindholm]

The second technical on Stoudemire was a terrible call. The first one happened during a timeout and I didn't see anything that happened, but the Wolves announcers did report it when they came back. It was also in the fourth quarter, just a little before the second one.

My respect for Garnett is going down. He just seems angry and insecure. He got a technical for trash talk, and generally lost his composure until the Wolves got lucky and started their big run. Add in the fact that he has a few cases of beating up teammates, and he is starting to seem like sort of a jerk.

My guess is that Stoudemire will learn his lesson from tonight. The Suns were thrown for a loop by his ejection and nearly coughed up an important victory. He'll know better than to put his teammates at risk like that again.

 

[jibikao]

The second technical on Stoudemire was a terrible call. The first one happened during a timeout and I didn't see anything that happened, but the Wolves announcers did report it when they came back. It was also in the fourth quarter, just a little before the second one.

My respect for Garnett is going down. He just seems angry and insecure. He got a technical for trash talk, and generally lost his composure until the Wolves got lucky and started their big run. Add in the fact that he has a few cases of beating up teammates, and he is starting to seem like sort of a jerk.

My guess is that Stoudemire will learn his lesson from tonight. The Suns were thrown for a loop by his ejection and nearly coughed up an important victory. He'll know better than to put his teammates at risk like that again.

I am glad I am not the only that feel KG is becoming a jerk.

I am also glad that we won the game. Amare shouldn't get tossed out. He is too important to get tossed out.

Well, 7pt W isn't too bad.. I'll take it ANY DAY at Wolve's home court.

Jimmy

 

[jbeecham]

When I watched it live it looked like Amare was just bounce passing it to Sprewell so that he could inbound the ball (like he didn't know there was a foul call), but after seeing the replay on the news I saw he bounced it harder than I thought and was staring Spree down a little. Spree chucked it back at Amare even harder but actually hit Marion, who had stepped in to calm Amare down. Then Spree got in Marion's face while going after Amare. Amare just calmed down and walked away to the Suns bench area.

 

[elindholm]

I agree that Stoudemire was trying to show Sprewell up a bit, but stuff like that happens a hundred times a game.

I'm probably the only person on this board who likes Sam Cassell, but even so, I'm glad to see the Wolves struggling this season.

 

[panfolk]

what's this about punching teammates?

 

[Billythekid]

This is from the startribune, a minnesota paper.

This all came about after long minutes of mouth-running between Garnett and Stoudemire. Throw in the referee baiting from the Wolves' sideline almost from the start, and the constant whining of the Suns' Steven Hunter, and the constant trash-talking of the Suns' Quentin Richardson, and this game seemed to have punchout potential in the final minutes.

"I don't think so," Stoudemire said. "I actually was trying to be a peacemaker, but Kevin, he was mad, and he was cursing up a storm.

"I was surprised to get the second technical. I dunked, the ball was there, so I bounced it to Sprewell to take out-of-bounds."

Stoudemire left with 34 points. This came two nights after he had 50 against Portland.

"Was that Garnett's career-high -- 47?" he asked a Phoenix reporter.

Told it was, Stoudemire, 22, said: "He needs three more if he's going to catch me."

Funny how they put all the blame on us, though that jerk KG was running his mouth the whole game.

I love the last two sentences.

 

[Joe Mama]

The refs allowed the game to get way too physical until things got out of control and Amare became the recipient of them trying to get the game back under control. Then once Amare was thrown out, they let the Wolves do whatever they wanted and the Suns were called for fouls on almost every play.

I'm glad the Suns still won because they outplayed the Wolves the entire game. They shot too many 3's, but those were the shots they were given by the wolves defense.

Malone & Mutumbo would've been proud of Garnett tonight. He was swinging and connecting with elbows on anyone that tried to guard him and didn't get called for a foul. He also set moving screens and hip checked JJ & Nash (2X) to the floor. He finally got called for the hip check on JJ. Also, the alien tried to pull a Danny Fortson on Marion when he was going in on a fast break. He put his hands into Marion's hip and chest as he went for a fast break layup and Cassell shoved him to the ground when he was in mid-air. Marion landed out of bounds on his back and luckily was able to get up and keep playing. Cassell got a flagrant foul and chased down the refs arguing it.

When I first saw Amare getting tossed that's how I felt about it. I thought the officiating was terrible on both sides of the ball. I would probably even say that up until that fourth-quarter the calls were favoring the Suns. Even after seeing it on replay I didn't think it was anything he should have received a technical from, but again it probably had to be done to get the game under control.

Like Eric, I am really starting to dislike KG. He's one of those players that I feel back and forth about. I really don't like the way he gets angry and thuggish so easily. I thought Hunter and Q were hilarious tonight. To me it was like a couple of guys making fun of an out-of-control drunk (KG) at a party. KG and especially Spree completely overreacted. The idea that Spree is a superstore is a joke. Even at the top of his game he would not have been considered a superstar. However he has always been a punk.

When I watched it live it looked like Amare was just bounce passing it to Sprewell so that he could inbound the ball (like he didn't know there was a foul call), but after seeing the replay on the news I saw he bounced it harder than I thought and was staring Spree down a little. Spree chucked it back at Amare even harder but actually hit Marion, who had stepped in to calm Amare down. Then Spree got in Marion's face while going after Amare. Amare just calmed down and walked away to the Suns bench area.

I know it's nice to see Amare Stoudemire show his levelheadedness, but I actually wish he had kept going at Sprewell. I think the coaches probably gave him an earful just before that about keeping his cool and not receiving his second T. I guess it's that I've seen him do it before. I want to see him stand up to some of these guys. It doesn't help that it was Sprewell who is quickly climbing to the top of my NBA player most hated list. I would have love to have seen him and his head taken off tonight.

Great victory for Phoenix tonight. Even though it got a little bit close in the end I felt it was a decisive win.

Joe Mama

 

[devilalum]

The league needs to get KG into some anger management training before he totally blows a gasket. He's a train wreck waiting to happen. I think he's punched out half his teamates at one time or another.

Just play the game.

 

[devilalum]

It doesn't help that it was Sprewell who is quickly climbing to the top of my NBA player most hated list. I would have love to have seen him and his head taken off tonight.

Great victory for Phoenix tonight. Even though it got a little bit close in the end I felt it was a decisive win.

Joe Mama

I'm glad Amare walked away. Given what happened in Detroit its possible that much longer suspentions will be handed out for any kind of fighting.

Amare doesn't need to be an ***** hothead like KG or Sprewell to be a dominate player. I have so much more respect for guys who get revenge with their play.

 

[George O'Brien]

KG uses his fury to motivate himself but he's going to get into trouble. I imagine that teams are going to try to taunt him and hope he'll take a punch.

 

[jibikao]

KG uses his fury to motivate himself but he's going to get into trouble. I imagine that teams are going to try to taunt him and hope he'll take a punch.

And KG will get suspended and we'll see how good Wolves plays without KG.


I am really starting to dislike KG. For a MVP, he sure has a lot less class than other previous MVP.

Jimmy

 

[scudney]

I've hated KG ever since he made those ridiculous comments in an espn magazine interview few years ago.

When asked if he was overpaid (this was when he was making that crazy money), he responded "Hell no. If anything I'm underpaid, with everything I do. That's a ridiculous question. I have to do everything for this team."

Also, when asked about getting out of the first round, he said "We'll get out of the first round when everybody does their part. Players, coaches, management, everybody. I can't do everything by myself. It'll get us past the first round if m-----------s do their part."

Way to support your teammates jerk.

The whole interview is here if you want to read it:

http://espn.go.com/magazine/palmer_20020715.html

 

[Wally]

I've hated KG ever since he made those ridiculous comments in an espn magazine interview few years ago.

When asked if he was overpaid (this was when he was making that crazy money), he responded "Hell no. If anything I'm underpaid, with everything I do. That's a ridiculous question. I have to do everything for this team."

Also, when asked about getting out of the first round, he said "We'll get out of the first round when everybody does their part. Players, coaches, management, everybody. I can't do everything by myself. It'll get us past the first round if m-----------s do their part."

Way to support your teammates jerk.

The whole interview is here if you want to read it:

http://espn.go.com/magazine/palmer_20020715.html

I remember that well. That's when I deceided he didn't have much class as a person - I still respect his ability.

BTW, if anyone wants to see the video clip on the Amare - Spree ball tossing deal, it's on the NBA Wolves site. Clip # 2. Spree THREW the ball twice at Amare after Amare bounce passed it to him. The first time he hit Marion, it bounced back to him and he got Amare. Spree should have been ejected, not Amare.

 

[sunsfn]

I watched the game and do not think that the bounce pass to Sprewell deserved a technical. However, after Sprewell threw it back hard and hit Marion, the refs had to do something and they could not just give Sprewell a technical without giving one to Amare. So, Amare was gone and did not question the call. He was sitting on the table next to the suns bench waiting for the refs deciding at mid court. After they made the call he just simply shook his head in agreement and walked off the court. (narration for those who did not see the game) I thought he showed a lot of poise in that instance. Amare and others need to stop doing that bounce pass to the other players after making a basket, they do it a lot.

The first technical on Amare came when he had the ball and KG knocked it out of his hand and he and KG were fighting for it and suddenly the ball went flying away from them to another wolves player. Amare thought KG fouled him when he hit him on that play and protested and got the technical.

The flagrant foul against Marion by Cassell bothered me. (Marion going for a layup and Cassell pushes him while he is in the air) There has been a couple of them this year, beside a few undercuts by opposing guards while suns players are going for rebounds. These are really dangerous fouls.

I honestly did not think the refs were favoring the suns early with their calls, the Wolves were just fouling a lot and were not even called for some of them.

I used to live in Mpls. MN and have family there. They tell me that the people in Mpls are not real fond of KG either. I Imagine the die hard fans like him, but the general population does not. This is somewhat from the completely unrealistic salary he makes, and how he acts in public.

 

[SweetD]

I remember that well. That's when I deceided he didn't have much class as a person - I still respect his ability.

BTW, if anyone wants to see the video clip on the Amare - Spree ball tossing deal, it's on the NBA Wolves site. Clip # 2. Spree THREW the ball twice at Amare after Amare bounce passed it to him. The first time he hit Marion, it bounced back to him and he got Amare. Spree should have been ejected, not Amare.

Here is the link

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/

It looks like Spree fould him and Amare did bounce the ball his way. Still should have not been a T on Amare and Spree did throw the ball twice.

 

[jibikao]

Obviously if Amare didn't dunk and score, would Spree throw the ball back at him? It was a clear frustration dick-head action by Spree.

And I am glad people in MN aren't so fond of KG. Actually, I started many Bash KG threads on ESPN and basketballboards.net because I feel it's unfair that people keep bashing Kobe when KG's team is doing just as "average".

Not so sure why the LOVE for KG when this guy has JUST got out of the 1st Round in 7 freaking years. I just think people should be fair that's all.

Jimmy

 

[MigratingOsprey]

first and foremost it was the right call ... a double T is standard in that situation

hell, you aren't even supposed to touch the ball after you score, that alone will get you a warning for delay of game

bouncing it to the guy who just fouled you is a blatant taunt

but amare took it well, even giving his head band upto the crowd

I too am losing respect for KG ... after they got caught up with side crap in Denver last year, his inability to take over a game and lead his team and the constant anger out there

however, i have lived in mpls as well and still have good ties and the people of the city love the guy .... you should see the MVP campaign they put out for this guy, it's unreal

spreewell is a punk, cassell is as well, this team just has a lot of guys who get distracted from the task at hand ... and it hurts the team

the suns won because they play hard and as a team ... they seem to enjoy what they do ... once the wolves learn that then they can be very dangerous

until then just a paper wolf

 

[AZZenny]

I agree that STAT showed real poise the way he responded. Likewise the way Hunter and Marion were grinning when KG was trying to piss them off.

I'd much rather the team NOT respond with cocky trash talk or self-righteous anger when other players taunt or muscle them around, but give the appearance of being unruffled and too cool to stoop to that lame-ass juvenile street crap. Openly smiling at loud, pushy, nasty opponents as if they were a silly four-year-old throwing a cookie tantrum, and then playing right over them like they don't matter, is the sweetest, and most disrespectful, revenge.

I'd especially like to see Amare stay away from temper problems or crude or aggressive behavior, given his checkered upbringing. I thought it was pretty funny that he (reportedly) said KG was too foul-mouthed for him, and then pointed out KG still fell 3 short of 50.

 

[Joe Mama]

Amare Stoudemire received his first technical because he was very upsetting complaining to the officials about a Kevin Garnett "steal". KG pretty clearly hooked Amare and took the ball away. it sounds like Amare and the Suns were frustrated with the way the officials allowed the games to get someone out of control with KG's physical play and mouth.

Let me clarify regarding the way Amare Stoudemire handled himself when Latrell Sprewell threw the ball at him. Although I would like to see Sprewell get his head taken off when he acts like an ass I would prefer it wasn't one of the most important pieces of the Phoenix Suns doing it. I just would have liked to have seen Amare talk a little trash after the ball was thrown instead of running away. it's no big deal. Overall I thought it was handled well.

Joe Mama

 

[justAndy]

my favorite thing

...was Hunter staring right back at KG and grinning. Hunter is NOT afraid of KG one bit.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

...was Hunter staring right back at KG and grinning. Hunter is NOT afraid of KG one bit.

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Hunter is a badass, he is still a young kid, but doesn't back down from anyone. KG pulls his tough guy "intense" routine, and Hunter laughs at him. I loved the quote about Q talking trash the entire game. I saw when Garnett was going after Hunter, Q was talking to KG the entire time, pissing him off. You can tell Q is just a great guy to have on a team, and he wants to win. I think last night's game is more important than most would think. Not only did Hunter get significant playing time, and show once again he deserves it, but scuffles like last night generally help teams get together and build camraderie as well. Seeing the suns beat down on Spree, the Alien and KG, and the other merry bunch of idiots last night was pure pleasure.

 

[Azlen]

Hunter confidence level has to be at an all-time high for him right now. He was picked up as almost an afterthought and is playing himself into more and more minutes on the team with the best record in the NBA.