Amare's getting A LOT more touches

[playstation]

getting about 24 shots a game post-Shaq.

i think the lack of marion is having other effects on offense. nash is still the brains, but now he doesn't feel the need to fully distribute as he did in the past (to not piss off shawn)...

 

[arwillan]

i think nash's assists have been down since shaq came in

 

[Bufalay]

how's amare's fg% doing now?

 

[DuncanRules]

well that's what happens when you trade away one of your best scoring threats.

 

[passenger]

well that's what happens when you trade away one of your best scoring threats.

can't agree more

 

[Hat]

Marion, a scoring threat!??

LMAO

Please, go back to watching old films, Marion has zero 1 on 1 game. Always need Nash to throw him an alley oop.

 

[passenger]

Marion, a scoring threat!??

LMAO

Please, go back to watching old films, Marion has zero 1 on 1 game. Always need Nash to throw him an alley oop.

Don't forget Nash needs an athletic guy like him for his assists too,same applies to Jason Kidd,he'll average less assists since there s no Carter-Jefferson in Mav's.

 

[Hat]

Don't forget Nash needs an athletic guy like him for his assists too,same applies to Jason Kidd,he'll average less assists since there s no Carter-Jefferson in Mav's.

what's your point?

He's feeding Amare now

 

[DuncanRules]

Don't forget Nash needs an athletic guy like him for his assists too,same applies to Jason Kidd,he'll average less assists since there s no Carter-Jefferson in Mav's.

It'll be interesting to see if you're right about Nash and Kidd's assists taking a hit.

 

[passenger]

what's your point?

He's feeding Amare now

You know Nash will not have 15 plus asists game easily now with Shaq like before.I am not denying the fact that Amare will play better and will have better numbers,of course that will happen when you put a big center next to him,but that will be limited contribution to Amare's stats maybe but not to team success.

 

[Hat]

You shouldn't be worried at all by Nash's assists.

It's the offensive rebounds for other teams that you should worry about, which btw, have dramatically been cut down because of Shaq. This is something Marion couldn't have done.

 

[dodie53]

Ws is more important than assists.

 

[passenger]

Ws is more important than assists.

Definitely but we always have better chance and stats of winning when Nash has 10 plus assists.I hope he will take control and score more.

 

[cly2tw]

The problem with Nash shooting more right now is he does it by pulling up, instead of catch and shoot. This way, nobody else touches the ball and it makes the offense stagnant. Yet, with Shaq clogging in the paint, the space for dribble drives is limited on the one hand, and we'd have less of jump shooter for Nash's passes on the other.

To solve the dilemma, we need to play Nash more off the ball, either delivering the entry pass to Shaq in the post or doing/using backdoor screens Stockton was doing back then to get free for catch and shoot a la Reggie Miller. This would open up the space a lot better and utilizes Nash's shooting ability to best fit the team. That's a major change for Nash and our chance in the playoffs depend on it.

Less is more. Less Nash ball handling will result in more success if done right.

 

[Darth Llama]

Marion, a scoring threat!??

LMAO

Please, go back to watching old films, Marion has zero 1 on 1 game. Always need Nash to throw him an alley oop.

Basketball is a team game. There are a lot of great players that benifit from those around him, part of being a good player is learning to work to your maximum capacity with what's around you. Marion did that. Zero 1 on 1 game is a joke. He's not a great 1 on 1 by any means, but zero game is just silly.

On topic, Amare's touches and his points are way up, but it seems like it's coming at the expense of his rebounding and his defense. He had 3 total rebounds today which just isn't going to get it done. My big fear for Amare is that he's leaning too much on Shaq. Now here comes the part where everyone here will tear me a new one..

The Suns have to be careful with Amare here. If Amare is left to play purely the way HE wants he will be all about scoring. Flame me if you want, I'm not being hostile, but when I watch Amare play, I see a player that cares about his points 1st and foremost. Amare has always seemed disinterested in defense, he gets up on occasion for a sweet block (or 4) but other then that, he just seems to want to score. With Shaq in the line up, he seems more apt to just "let Shaq do it." That could end up being a bad thing. 31 points is a good game, but 3 boards just isn't going to cut it. If Shaq plays well, he'll make up for the rebounding you lose from Marion, Amare has to pull his weight on both sides. Amare has to learn to compliment Shaq, not lean on him.

 

[green machine]

Basketball is a team game. There are a lot of great players that benifit from those around him, part of being a good player is learning to work to your maximum capacity with what's around you. Marion did that. Zero 1 on 1 game is a joke. He's not a great 1 on 1 by any means, but zero game is just silly.

On topic, Amare's touches and his points are way up, but it seems like it's coming at the expense of his rebounding and his defense. He had 3 total rebounds today which just isn't going to get it done. My big fear for Amare is that he's leaning too much on Shaq. Now here comes the part where everyone here will tear me a new one..

The Suns have to be careful with Amare here. If Amare is left to play purely the way HE wants he will be all about scoring. Flame me if you want, I'm not being hostile, but when I watch Amare play, I see a player that cares about his points 1st and foremost. Amare has always seemed disinterested in defense, he gets up on occasion for a sweet block (or 4) but other then that, he just seems to want to score. With Shaq in the line up, he seems more apt to just "let Shaq do it." That could end up being a bad thing. 31 points is a good game, but 3 boards just isn't going to cut it. If Shaq plays well, he'll make up for the rebounding you lose from Marion, Amare has to pull his weight on both sides. Amare has to learn to compliment Shaq, not lean on him.

Amare was averaging something like 12+ boards a game as soon as the trade happened. The last couple games have been down for him, sure, but I think it has more to do with other factors then him not caring or trying or whatever.

As for his defense, even today I think he was rarely not doing a decent job on Sheed, just when the guy is hitting turnaround fadeaway jumpers all day it's gonna be tough to stop.

 

[LV-Suns]

well that's what happens when you trade away one of your best scoring threats.

 

[Hat]

Basketball is a team game. There are a lot of great players that benifit from those around him, part of being a good player is learning to work to your maximum capacity with what's around you. Marion did that.

Sure, but we are talking about two different things. Marion was great at fast-breaks and alley oops from Nash. I'm talking about ending up with the ball with 5-6 seconds on the shot clock and going 1 on 1 on a guy. The best he could do was get within 6 ft and throw a floater.

Zero 1 on 1 game is a joke. He's not a great 1 on 1 by any means, but zero game is just silly.

Sorry but you are wrong. There were plenty of times he could have gone 1 on 1 a guy for a layup and decided to pass back to Nash when he was on the perimeter, ending in a desperate 3 because the shot clock was a 2. Diaw does the same thing (he tries somewhat though, unlike Marion).

 

[Darth Llama]

Sorry but you are wrong. There were plenty of times he could have gone 1 on 1 a guy for a layup and decided to pass back to Nash when he was on the perimeter, ending in a desperate 3 because the shot clock was a 2. Diaw does the same thing (he tries somewhat though, unlike Marion).

You might be right, I'll have to see him play for a while on another team to really know. The question with me is, did he pass back to Nash because that's the way the Suns do it? or because he had no other option? Maybe my view of Marion is inflated, I guess we'll find out in time.

 

[Ciani]

how's amare's fg% doing now?

48% over the last three games, 58% is his season average.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I think Amare let it go to his head a little bit in that Laker game. I'm loving the beast mode thing, but there was one shot in particular where Hubie Brown just groaned.

 

[Ode to Ocho]

Suns: 1-2 at home since the Shaq trade.

 

[green machine]

Suns: 1-2 at home since the Shaq trade.

Lakers: 0 for the first round since the Shaq trade.

 

[Hat]

You might be right, I'll have to see him play for a while on another team to really know. The question with me is, did he pass back to Nash because that's the way the Suns do it? or because he had no other option? Maybe my view of Marion is inflated, I guess we'll find out in time.

I think he mostly had no other options.

But it's frustrating b/c he wasn't the only that passed it back to Nash. Diaw Bell, and now DJ do it (not so much Bell than Diaw). It's one of my pet peeves that I wish the team would iron out. I can only think of three people that don't do it: Amare, Hill, and LB