Amazing Bench Play this year

[Amare32]

Remember last year when we were lucky to get more than what seemed like 10 points off the bench last year? we basically depended on Jimmy Jackson to get all the points but this year

Barbosa- 12-8 PPG, 49% FG, 45% from three
House- 10.5 PPG, 44% FG, 40% from three
Jones- 10.5 PPG, 42% FG, 38% from three

For the price that House and Jones cost they are doing amazingly well and really are big time threats off the bench and now we go from having one of the worse to one of the best

alot of credit goes to management for sorting out that problem. It will be even better when Amare returns as Diaw may also come off the bench.

Barbosa's improvement has also been very good to see.

 

[jibikao]

Our bench will look really good when Amare comes back.

I believe Diaw will be the leader of the bench squad. lol He can create for House and Jones and Brian Grant will be the center!

Man, I can't wait until Brian and Amare come back!

But in a way, the reason our bench players are scoring so much is because we are playing without Amare. Amare would probably take 30% of the shots that the bench players are taking now. We would probably see a lot less Eddie House when Amare comes back but House will be useful when we can't buy any basket and need some quick boost.

 

[CardNots]

Our bench will look really good when Amare comes back.

I believe Diaw will be the leader of the bench squad. lol He can create for House and Jones and Brian Grant will be the center!

Man, I can't wait until Brian and Amare come back!

But in a way, the reason our bench players are scoring so much is because we are playing without Amare. Amare would probably take 30% of the shots that the bench players are taking now. We would probably see a lot less Eddie House when Amare comes back but House will be useful when we can't buy any basket and need some quick boost.

I agree with you. Amare and Grant being out was a godsend for the bench players. You could figure Barbosa being our was in the long run very good for our team.

We go from the worse bench in the league to one of the best. Sure I can't wait to see Amare back, but I believe Grant could help a bunch. I consider him a much better shooter than Thomas. If Grant can get back up to speed he will be a huge benefit when Thomas gets in early foul trouble.

I also believe Daiw will be awesome off the bench. If Amare and Grant come back, the title will be ours. Yeah, I know SA and Detroit might have something to say about that.

 

[Louis]

Suns bench is...

9th in points per game

30th in rebounds per game, 27th in def. rebounds per game, 30th in off. rebounds per game

15th in assists per game

30th in steals per game

14th in blocks per game

6th in TOs per game

8th in FG made per game

8th in FG %

2nd in 3s made per game

5th in 3 %

29th in FT made per game

2nd in FT %

 

[SweetD]

Suns bench is...

9th in points per game

30th in rebounds per game, 27th in def. rebounds per game, 30th in off. rebounds per game

15th in assists per game

30th in steals per game

14th in blocks per game

6th in TOs per game

8th in FG made per game

8th in FG %

2nd in 3s made per game

5th in 3 %

29th in FT made per game

2nd in FT %

Is this compared to other bench or starting teams?

 

[Louis]

Other benches.

http://probasketball.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=probasketball&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoopsstats.com%2F

Check the site out and navigate it for which ever category you want to look at.

It's a great stat site.

 

[jibikao]

Suns bench is...

9th in points per game

30th in rebounds per game, 27th in def. rebounds per game, 30th in off. rebounds per game

15th in assists per game

30th in steals per game

14th in blocks per game

6th in TOs per game

8th in FG made per game

8th in FG %

2nd in 3s made per game

5th in 3 %

29th in FT made per game

2nd in FT %

So, is this good or not?

It's interesting how our bench shoots pretty well and we are 2nd in 3s made (House, James Jones?).

 

[SweetD]

So, is this good or not?

It's interesting how our bench shoots pretty well and we are 2nd in 3s made (House, James Jones?).

I looked at it and our bench is average. Teams like Atlanta, NY, and other loosing teams have a better bench??? Maybe these teams are loosing because they don't start their bench players??

 

[jibikao]

Well, two stats that stood out:

30th in steals per game
30th in rebounds per game, 27th in def. rebounds per game, 30th in off. rebounds per game

OUCH!

Well, I think it's kinda hard to find out our true bench player stats since our guys play about the same mins. Sometimes Eddie House plays more and sometimes James Jones play more.

All in all, I don't think this bench stats tell much because we are a MUCH deeper team now and we have bench guys who play like starter-mins (like how Diaw can replace Kurt Thomas or vice versa). I think a lot of losing teams have strong bench stats because of blow-out losses. lol Honest truth!

 

[myrondizzo]

i think the rebounding issues are directly related to the fact that we have amare and grant out. either diaw or thomas would be coming off the bench. but since they have to start who can come in and rebound?

 

[Amare32]

Well, two stats that stood out:

30th in steals per game
30th in rebounds per game, 27th in def. rebounds per game, 30th in off. rebounds per game

OUCH!

Well, I think it's kinda hard to find out our true bench player stats since our guys play about the same mins. Sometimes Eddie House plays more and sometimes James Jones play more.

All in all, I don't think this bench stats tell much because we are a MUCH deeper team now and we have bench guys who play like starter-mins (like how Diaw can replace Kurt Thomas or vice versa). I think a lot of losing teams have strong bench stats because of blow-out losses. lol Honest truth!

The main rotation on our bench is guards so our rebounding is bound to be really low. More so with Grant out of the line-up. BTW isn't this the point with depth? when you have more quailty depth you are bound to have guys who can play starter minutes?

I'm just glad we now have 3 guys off the bench who can go off for 20 instead of 1 we had last year.

 

[SweetD]

The main rotation on our bench is guards so our rebounding is bound to be really low. More so with Grant out of the line-up. BTW isn't this the point with depth? when you have more quailty depth you are bound to have guys who can play starter minutes?

I'm just glad we now have 3 guys off the bench who can go off for 20 instead of 1 we had last year.

So True I looked at last years and we had the worst bench in the league.

 

[playstation]

i was having this discussion earlier today, wondering what you guys thought: KT & Diaw, starters based on the situation? I wouldn't want KT in there against Dallas or Detroit (starting, at least, since he can't guard Dirk or Rasheed, and I'm not putting Amare on them), but would go for it against SA. What do you think?

 

[Ryanwb]

Bryan Colangelo should be a lock for Executive of the Year again in my opinion. He built a team around other team's castoffs and they have been successes

 

[jibikao]

The main rotation on our bench is guards so our rebounding is bound to be really low. More so with Grant out of the line-up. BTW isn't this the point with depth? when you have more quailty depth you are bound to have guys who can play starter minutes?

I'm just glad we now have 3 guys off the bench who can go off for 20 instead of 1 we had last year.

Yeah, that's what I thought. We have bench players who can play like starters so our rotation is hard to tell. I mean besides Marion/Thomas/Diaw, everybody else's rebounding ability is on the weak side. Yes, even Burke is that weak for his size!

Too bad Grant hasn't played much. Would love to see him more.

 

[George O'Brien]

I have a suspicion that the Suns defensive scheme redues their rebounding. They are 29th in the NBA in rebounding in spite of having the third best rebounder in the NBA.

On the Knicks, KT was a top rebounder but on the Suns he's dropped to 25th (11.5 rpg to 8.5 rpg). My guess is that the Suns emphasis on stopping opponent's outside shooting means they spread the floor and cannot keep opponents from attacking the glass (12.2 rpg given up on the offensive glass).

By contrast, the Suns get only 9.4 rpg on the offensive glass due to spreading the floor and shooting so many jump shots. So while they are -.9 on defensive rebounds they are -3.0 on offensive rebounds.

Right now Boris is not a particularly good rebounder, but I think he will improve over time but it is a problem.

 

[mathbzh]

Minutes are the main factor in bench production.
Marion plays 41minutes so it is not surprising that our bench rebounding numbers are weak.

Moreover injuries didn't help us (with Diaw and barbosa on the bench... the numbers should be totaly different)

I don't have a clue if our bench is realy strong right now. But with Amare (and barbosa) back, our bench will look great.

 

[mathbzh]

To complete, I think our bench numbers are average/weak because our starting numbers are :

- 1st in NBA, in Defensive Rebounds Top NBA Starting lineups in Defensive Rebounds - 1st in NBA, in Rebounds Top NBA Starting lineups in Rebounds - 1st in NBA, in Assists Top NBA Starting lineups in Assists - 1st in NBA, in Efficiency recap Top NBA Starting lineups in Efficiency recap - 2nd in NBA, in Efficiency recap difference Top NBA Starting lineups in Efficiency recap difference - 3rd in NBA, in Field-goals made Top NBA Starting lineups in Field-goals made - 3rd in NBA, in Field-goals percentage Top NBA Starting lineups in Field-goals percentage - 3rd in NBA, in 3-point made Top NBA Starting lineups in 3-point made - 3rd in NBA, in 3-point attempts Top NBA Starting lineups in 3-point attempts - 3rd in NBA, in Free-throws percentage Top NBA Starting lineups in Free-throws percentage - 5th in NBA, in Blocks

Two players can't take the same rebound