Andre Roberts getting the praise!

[Duckjake]

the franchise tag number starts at over 10 million per year. Slapping that on him would never happen. I'm surprised anyone would even think that's an option.

I don't get it either. And the Cardinals are famous for just letting prime assets walk.

Roberts really isn't that important anyway. Boldin and Breaston, both 1000 yard receivers, left and the Cards didn't miss a beat at WR. They've had 3 different guys be #2 in receiving yards 2010-2012.


The Cardinals can almost take a fan out of the stands each game to play WR and be successful. Amazing how that position has worked out for them when compared to most others.

 

[Cheesebeef]

New england needs a good WR bad, the market will be there from several teams. He can choose us at a discount or he will make much more elsewhere. It all depends on what type of person roberts is. If he is comfortable with change, he will leave and make more. If he is loyal to who gave him a shot and we offer decent money, he will stay,.

The tag is not an option for him IMO

what type of person he is? I always laugh when I see this. Why should a really good young player ever give a team a discount? their careers are short, contracts aren't guaranteed and these guys need to make as much money as possible.

 

[Cheesebeef]

good old cheesebeef, negative as always in a positive thread.

good old splitsecond...trying to start a fight by attacking about a poster instead of just talking football.

just talk football. tell me why I'm wrong. actually take part in the conversation about Roberts instead of making the conversation about me.

 

[BigRedRage]

what type of person he is? I always laugh when I see this. Why should a really good young player ever give a team a discount? their careers are short, contracts aren't guaranteed and these guys need to make as much money as possible.

it happens. "hometown discount"

IE: if another company offered me 10k more per year I wouldnt leave my current company. I have been here for a long time and they treat me well.

now if its 30-50k more per year we can talk.

Thats why I said if AZ makes a decent offer worth not moving to a new town, learning a new scheme, using a new QB and etc.

Breaston left here and fizzled out, never did anything after. Boston got kicked out and his career ended shortly thereafter.

Boldin is the only WR in the past 10 years who has left here and actually been successful and had a carreer after.

Sometimes its best not to tinker with something that is opearting on all cylinders.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think if Roberts stays healthy he will be a Cardinal next year. He will be a Unrestricted FA next year as this is his 4th year.

Floyd still has 2 years left on his rookie contract and they are managable numbers:

2014 $2.7M
2015 $3.2M

Roberts is key to this offense and I think the Cardinals backup plan just retired a few months ago (Swope). With the Cardinals employing a vertical offense, spending money at the WR position shouldn't be an issue.

 

[kerouac9]

I think it should be easier to keep WRs around (not named Boldin) since Fitz is here. They love playing with him and growing from his guidance.

This is nonsense. If someone gives Roberts $9M guaranteed on a long-term deal, no one will be more happy for him than Fitz. These guys know that it's the name of the game to get what you can, while you can.

he's gonzo by the end of the year.

Almost certainly. I hope he gets a better deal than Steve Breaston found when he was allowed to leave in free agency. He'd look nice with the Browns or Chargers, who will both have some need.

I think if Roberts stays healthy he will be a Cardinal next year. He will be a Unrestricted FA next year as this is his 4th year.

Floyd still has 2 years left on his rookie contract and they are managable numbers:

2014 $2.7M
2015 $3.2M

Roberts is key to this offense and I think the Cardinals backup plan just retired a few months ago (Swope). With the Cardinals employing a vertical offense, spending money at the WR position shouldn't be an issue.

The cap holds for Larry Fitzgerald ($18M, up from $10.25M) and Calais Campbell ($11.25M, up from $8.75M) are going to be obscene in 2014. The Cards are likely to be shedding even more veterans (Darnell Dockett has a 2014 cap hold of $9.8M with only $3M in dead money if he's released; Daryn Colledge has a $7.275M cap hold with only $4.5M in dead money if he's released; Levi Brown will have a $7.65M cap hold with $4.2M in dead money if he's released).

We could be looking at the Cards filling out their roster with draft picks, undrafted free agents, and minimum-salary free agents at QB, LT, OG, DE, SS, RB, and WR3 next offseason.

Those aren't depth players; those are starters. And maybe 2 tight ends, as well.

 

[kerouac9]

"Fun" fact: When Andre Roberts leaves in 2014 free agency to play for the (let's say) Ravens, we'll officially have gotten nothing for trading Anquan Boldin to the Baltimore Ravens.

Baltimore got a ring.

Arizona got salary cap relief, two years of nearly unwatchable offensive football, Andre Roberts, O'Brien Schofield (cut for nothing), and Jorrick Calvin.

 

[MrYeahBut]

"Fun" fact: When Andre Roberts leaves in 2014 free agency to play for the (let's say) Ravens, we'll officially have gotten nothing for trading Anquan Boldin to the Baltimore Ravens.

Baltimore got a ring.

Arizona got salary cap relief, two years of nearly unwatchable offensive football, Andre Roberts, O'Brien Schofield (cut for nothing), and Jorrick Calvin.

And traded Jorrick Calvin to the Eagles for Charles Scott, who was nothing but camp meat. Cut him the day after 4th preseason game.

.

 

[Cardiac]

"Fun" fact: When Andre Roberts leaves in 2014 free agency to play for the (let's say) Ravens, we'll officially have gotten nothing for trading Anquan Boldin to the Baltimore Ravens.

Baltimore got a ring.

Arizona got salary cap relief, two years of nearly unwatchable offensive football, Andre Roberts, O'Brien Schofield (cut for nothing), and Jorrick Calvin.

WOW, that is rather depressing. I thought Rhodes fit into that Boldin trade equation as well and of course he's no longer with us.

I would think some players may give a home town discount if that team is good and has chance at the playoffs. If the Cards win 6 or fewer games this year I doubt Roberts will entertain giving a discount to stay.

 

[Cardiac]

The cap holds for Larry Fitzgerald ($18M, up from $10.25M) and Calais Campbell ($11.25M, up from $8.75M) are going to be obscene in 2014. The Cards are likely to be shedding even more veterans (Darnell Dockett has a 2014 cap hold of $9.8M with only $3M in dead money if he's released; Daryn Colledge has a $7.275M cap hold with only $4.5M in dead money if he's released; Levi Brown will have a $7.65M cap hold with $4.2M in dead money if he's released).

We could be looking at the Cards filling out their roster with draft picks, undrafted free agents, and minimum-salary free agents at QB, LT, OG, DE, SS, RB, and WR3 next offseason.

Those aren't depth players; those are starters. And maybe 2 tight ends, as well.

This is very scary considering the CAP won't go up much if at all in 2014. The FO will need to do some amazing tricks to keep Fitz and CC with the team. I see Colledge, Levi and DD being cut at this point.

 

[TJ]

This is very scary considering the CAP won't go up much if at all in 2014. The FO will need to do some amazing tricks to keep Fitz and CC with the team. I see Colledge, Levi and DD being cut at this point.

Colledge, and Levi and certainly gone at seasons end. DD is on the chopping block if he doesn't figure it out within the next couple of games.

I foresee Fitz restructuring his contract (not a pay cut) to add some cap relief. Not sure if anything will or could be done about Calais.

I think if Keim sells hard enough and gets creative, the team could re-sign Roberts and not completely destroy the cap. Roberts may have to test the market first.

 

[Cardiac]

Colledge, and Levi and certainly gone at seasons end. DD is on the chopping block if he doesn't figure it out within the next couple of games.

I foresee Fitz restructuring his contract (not a pay cut) to add some cap relief. Not sure if anything will or could be done about Calais.

I think if Keim sells hard enough and gets creative, the team could re-sign Roberts and not completely destroy the cap. Roberts may have to test the market first.

At some point Fitz's money will have to hit the CAP.

DD's play will have to equal his mouth to remain a Card or he'll have to restructure and make less money. I like DD and expect(ed) him to have a big year but his CAP hit is way to high for what he is currently producing.

Fanaika's extension pretty much is the writing on the wall for Colledge as it looks like Watford, Cooper and Fanaika to be the OG's on the roster. What I like about his extension is that the FO is already looking at how they are going to deal with the CAP issues next year.

 

[kerouac9]

Colledge, and Levi and certainly gone at seasons end. DD is on the chopping block if he doesn't figure it out within the next couple of games.

I foresee Fitz restructuring his contract (not a pay cut) to add some cap relief. Not sure if anything will or could be done about Calais.

I think if Keim sells hard enough and gets creative, the team could re-sign Roberts and not completely destroy the cap. Roberts may have to test the market first.

Not much you can do, really. Fitz is due $12.75M in salary in 2014 alone, but he's also scheduled for a 2015 roster bonus of $8M--Fitz's 2015 cap hold is...

...just wait for it a moment...

$21.25 million. I'm not sure even Darkside can defend that kind of cap hold because of Fitz's "value to the community."

Spreading out even half of that $12.75M 2014 salary would push his 2015 cap hold to nearly $25M.

 

[BigRedRage]

roberts playing for us for 3-4 years is more than getting nothing for the deal jmho.

its not as good but its not nothing.

 

[MadCardDisease]

The cap holds for Larry Fitzgerald ($18M, up from $10.25M) and Calais Campbell ($11.25M, up from $8.75M) are going to be obscene in 2014. The Cards are likely to be shedding even more veterans (Darnell Dockett has a 2014 cap hold of $9.8M with only $3M in dead money if he's released; Daryn Colledge has a $7.275M cap hold with only $4.5M in dead money if he's released; Levi Brown will have a $7.65M cap hold with $4.2M in dead money if he's released).

We could be looking at the Cards filling out their roster with draft picks, undrafted free agents, and minimum-salary free agents at QB, LT, OG, DE, SS, RB, and WR3 next offseason.

Those aren't depth players; those are starters. And maybe 2 tight ends, as well.

I Agree with most of this.

Dockett is gone if he continues to be non-existent. No way we keep him at that salary. Colledge is expendable with Cooper coming back (Unless he is willing to take large a pay cut). Levi Brown isn't a great fit for this offense and will be gone as well.

So I think the top needs going into next year will be: LT, Pass Rusher, TE, RB, DT, and SS.

Guard isn't a big need IMO even if Colledge gets cut. Faniaka looks good and was just signed to an extension. Plus Watford will have a full year under his belt learning the offense. Cooper will be fine coming off the broken leg. Not to mention that Nate Potter will also have a full year practicing as a Guard and has the ability to play both guard and tackle.

To sign Roberts will not be cheap if he puts up solid numbers like I expect him to this year. Could cost the Cards around $7M a year to keep him. Expensive yes, but worth it if he and Palmer stay on the same page. The key for Roberts is that he must stay healthy.

 

[BigRedRage]

I Agree with most of this.

Dockett is gone if he continues to be non-existent. No way we keep him at that salary. Colledge is expendable with Cooper coming back (Unless he is willing to take large a pay cut). Levi Brown isn't a great fit for this offense and will be gone as well.

So I think the top needs going into next year will be: LT, Pass Rusher, TE, RB, DT, and SS.

Guard isn't a big need IMO even if Colledge gets cut. Faniaka looks good and was just signed to an extension. Plus Watford will have a full year under his belt learning the offense. Cooper will be fine coming off the broken leg. Not to mention that Nate Potter will also have a full year practicing as a Guard and has the ability to play both guard and tackle.

To sign Roberts will not be cheap if he puts up solid numbers like I expect him to this year. Could cost the Cards around $7M a year to keep him. Expensive yes, but worth it if he and Palmer stay on the same page. The key for Roberts is that he must stay healthy.

I hope RB is a want and not a need at that point after jus drafting two new ones this year. We need to allocate our picks and etc elsewhere than RB

 

[Shane]

I Agree with most of this.

Dockett is gone if he continues to be non-existent. No way we keep him at that salary. Colledge is expendable with Cooper coming back (Unless he is willing to take large a pay cut). Levi Brown isn't a great fit for this offense and will be gone as well.

So I think the top needs going into next year will be: LT, Pass Rusher, TE, RB, DT, and SS.

Guard isn't a big need IMO even if Colledge gets cut. Faniaka looks good and was just signed to an extension. Plus Watford will have a full year under his belt learning the offense. Cooper will be fine coming off the broken leg. Not to mention that Nate Potter will also have a full year practicing as a Guard and has the ability to play both guard and tackle.

To sign Roberts will not be cheap if he puts up solid numbers like I expect him to this year. Could cost the Cards around $7M a year to keep him. Expensive yes, but worth it if he and Palmer stay on the same page. The key for Roberts is that he must stay healthy.

RB? Smh

 

[kerouac9]

RB? Smh

Mendenhall is scheduled for free agency, and Ryan Williams is a bust. Do you want to go into 2014 depending on a fifth and sixth round pick as your starters?

 

[kerouac9]

I Agree with most of this.

Dockett is gone if he continues to be non-existent. No way we keep him at that salary. Colledge is expendable with Cooper coming back (Unless he is willing to take large a pay cut). Levi Brown isn't a great fit for this offense and will be gone as well.

So I think the top needs going into next year will be: LT, Pass Rusher, TE, RB, DT, and SS.

Guard isn't a big need IMO even if Colledge gets cut. Faniaka looks good and was just signed to an extension. Plus Watford will have a full year under his belt learning the offense. Cooper will be fine coming off the broken leg. Not to mention that Nate Potter will also have a full year practicing as a Guard and has the ability to play both guard and tackle.

To sign Roberts will not be cheap if he puts up solid numbers like I expect him to this year. Could cost the Cards around $7M a year to keep him. Expensive yes, but worth it if he and Palmer stay on the same page. The key for Roberts is that he must stay healthy.

I'm filing all this noise under "Hope =\= Plan".

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm filing all this noise under "Hope =\= Plan".

Noise???

What do you think is noise?

 

[MadCardDisease]

RB? Smh

Mendenhall and Williams are FA's after this season. So either they need to be re-signed or someone new will have to be added to replace them.

Smith is not a good RB. He is 5th string at best IMO.

I like the rookies but you need more that 2 RBs on a team.

 

[Chopper0080]

Mendenhall is scheduled for free agency, and Ryan Williams is a bust. Do you want to go into 2014 depending on a fifth and sixth round pick as your starters?

If I am the Cardinals, I am taking a long look at MJD. We just have too many needs to use more late round picks on running backs. LT, OLB, QB, TE, DE, CB & S. Ugh. Did we fill any holes this offseason?

 

[kerouac9]

Noise???

What do you think is noise?

Almost all of it. I mean, if those are just "predictions," then I guess more power to you. If you think that the 2014 Arizona Cardinals are going to be better for those moves... well, that's some noise.

Watford being expected to take over a guard position in 2014 is Senio Kelemete being expected to take over a guard position in 2013 instead of released at the end of training camp. No one's being developed to take over for Dockett, and there's no money to acquire an upgrade in free agency.

Fanika doesn't look "good" by any meaningful measure. He's looked adequate--Adam Snyder without the prohibitive cost tag. He's valueable because his price tag is breathtakingly low, not because he outperforms that price tag.

Expecting Cooper to come back as good or better than this offseason after not playing football for a year is expecting Ryan Williams to come back better in 2011 than he looked in 2010. I even saw someone make the same line that people were making about Williams: Having him come back in 2014 will be like having TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS in the draft.

Utter nonsense.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Almost all of it. I mean, if those are just "predictions," then I guess more power to you. If you think that the 2014 Arizona Cardinals are going to be better for those moves... well, that's some noise.

Where did I say better? I just said they would be moves that make sense. Who they bring in to replace Dockett and Brown if they are released are impossible to predict at this point. Colledge is replaceable once Cooper returns.

Watford being expected to take over a guard position in 2014 is Senio Kelemete being expected to take over a guard position in 2013 instead of released at the end of training camp. No one's being developed to take over for Dockett, and there's no money to acquire an upgrade in free agency.

Where did I say that Watford is taking over a OG spot. We have Cooper and Fanaika as the starters. Watford and Potter for depth.

Dockett will have to be replaced if he continues his downward spiral. As I mentioned before it's impossible to predict at this point who would replace Dockett. However if Dockett ends the season with 2 sacks you would happily keep him on the roster with his Contract??? Utter nonsense as you say.

Fanika doesn't look "good" by any meaningful measure. He's looked adequate--Adam Snyder without the prohibitive cost tag. He's valueable because his price tag is breathtakingly low, not because he outperforms that price tag.

I agree. Good might have been a little too strong a word. I'm fine with Adequate.

Expecting Cooper to come back as good or better than this offseason after not playing football for a year is expecting Ryan Williams to come back better in 2011 than he looked in 2010. I even saw someone make the same line that people were making about Williams: Having him come back in 2014 will be like having TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS in the draft.

Utter nonsense.

Why couldn't Cooper come back at where he left off when the season starts next year. He will be fully healed before the end of this season. He will not miss any offseason due to his injury. It was a fractured leg not a destroyed knee for crying out loud.

Your comparison of Cooper to Williams is asinine. It's quite laughable really.

 

[Bodha]

Funny to see Andre get so much admiration. He really is probably the single most consistent performer on our roster.


Guys light years from where he started. Remember stonehands. Man,fans wanted his head. Incredible turnaround

*Jsut an FYI for anyone who ever called Mike Floyd a bust. just wait