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Slow start puts spotlight on Johnson
By Mike Tulumello, Tribune

Frank Johnson is learning the limits of job security for an NBA coach. Several months ago, he was hailed for a masterful job of leading the Suns to a surprise run to the playoffs.

Several weeks ago, Suns president Bryan Colangelo talked publicly about possible contract extensions for Johnson and his assistants.

Then the Suns started the season a disappointing 3-6. Fortunately for Johnson, the Suns rolled to a wire-to-wire win over the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday. A repeat performance tonight over the 1-10 Orlando Magic surely won't hurt him.

"What created all the attention is that we were 3-6," Johnson said.

There's no indication of an imminent departure. But there has been no ringing endorsement of Johnson, either.

Colangelo declined to comment on Johnson's status. His reaction is much different than two years ago, when he issued a strong statement of support for Scott Skiles, when Skiles’ status as the Suns coach started to be perceived as shaky.

Skiles departed in February 2002, and Johnson — his lead assistant — took over.

As for Colangelo's non-reaction, Johnson said, "I think Bryan just wants not to comment on it at all. Why are you going to comment on something when there's nothing to comment on?"

Johnson said he believes he has management's support.

But, he said, "You still got to understand we were 3-6. That's the bottom line, right?"

That Johnson seems to have so little margin for error no doubt will strike many as surprising, considering his success last season.

But expectations by some are high. And Johnson has a contract considered modest by NBA standards — he's in the second season of a three-year deal that averages about $1.5 million — so a change wouldn't cripple them.

Asked if he thinks 3-6 is enough for a panic mode, he said. "We all see it differently. I felt bad when we were 1-3, after the Utah game. And that was only four games in."

Johnson has talked about how the Suns are one of the youngest NBA teams (six players are 23 or younger), and are likely to be inconsistent.

He also probably made waves in the Suns' front office by candidly discussing how the Suns miss Bo Outlaw, traded just before the season started.

Another potential problem is his relationship with Stephon Marbury, who has had a reputation over the years for being difficult.

After the Suns rolled to the win over the Bulls, he praised Marbury for sharp ball movement, saying his point guard had "taken to heart" Johnson's notion that Marbury sometimes dribbles the ball too much.

Told about Johnson's praise and criticism, Marbury said, "That's (expletive)."

Johnson says Marbury probably is grumpy because he has been beat up by playing 41.7 minutes per game (No. 2 in the NBA), while the team's results have been unsatisfactory.

Johnson said he called Marbury in for a meeting before the Bulls game and told him, "I'm going to try to keep your minutes down. I don't want to kill you. But sometimes, I can't."

On a more sensitive matter, Johnson also said he told Marbury that he needed to set up his teammates for shots as well as aggressively look to score.

"There's a fine line between running the team and being aggressive," Johnson said. "There's a lot of pressure when you have to do that.

"I couldn't do that when I was playing. I didn't have that kind of talent." Johnson indicated he will continue to try to ease Marbury's workload, probably by having Penny Hardaway spend more time as the backup point guard.

As for his own problems, "Pressure comes with my job," Johnson said. "That's the bottom line."

BONUS SHOTS: For the first time, the Suns will have all their regulars in the fold. Center Jahidi White, who missed one game to repair a finger injury is expected back. So Johnson will have three centers in White, Scott Williams and Jake Voskuhl. . .

Suns executive Cotton Fitzsimmons has issued a strong statement of support for Skiles if the Magic decide to open their head coaching position at season's end. Fitzsimmons told Florida Today that when Skiles played point guard for the Magic, "There was no doubt who was running that team: Skiles was." He said Skiles would be a popular choice because he played for the Magic's first team (1989-90) and was a crowd favorite.
 
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I don't know why it didn't show up on Insider site lines, but whatever.

It definitely sounds like they have a couple ideas in case FJ doesn't work out.
 

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After the Suns rolled to the win over the Bulls, he praised Marbury for sharp ball movement, saying his point guard had "taken to heart" Johnson's notion that Marbury sometimes dribbles the ball too much.

Told about Johnson's praise and criticism, Marbury said, "That's (expletive)."

Yeah, great FJ!! Get the stars mad at you!! That's the way to keep your job longer!! :D
 

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Some of this stuff may be taken out of context about a rift between Marbury and FJ. Last year, I specifically remember Marbury saying that he didn't want to play for anybody other than Frank Johnson. Obviously, things can change very quickly in this business, and if anything can excite controversy it's losing, but I'm not sure I'm ready to worry all that much about their relationship.

Yet.
 

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If Suns lose to the Magic tonight that could be the death nail for Frank. If not right away then down the road it would still be remembered.
 

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Originally posted by creed
If Suns lose to the Magic tonight that could be the death nail for Frank. If not right away then down the road it would still be remembered.

I don't want to say it, but the Devil made me think about it....perhaps someone else will:D
 

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I think Frank will only loose his job if we are out of the playoffs or if there has not been any improvement to the team before the All-Star break.
 

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Originally posted by SweetD
I think Frank will only loose his job if we are out of the playoffs or if there has not been any improvement to the team before the All-Star break.

The fans and media are already calling for Franks head. I really doubt it will take until allstar break for Frank to be canned. I mean how much worse does it have to get??
 

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How long did Skiles hang on after everyone had clearly turned against him? A couple of months, at least.

I think Frank Johnson has as a long way to go. The only thing that might accelerate the process is if the Suns want to nab Doc Rivers and are worried that someone else will get him first. But I can't see that happening, because the Suns haven't hired an experienced head coach from outside the organization since ... um ... help me out here ... MacLeod?
 

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Frank has a long way to go? I hope not. I would think losing to Orlando and the Heat the next couple games would be a disaster if that happened and make Jerry take notice. And I dont think Jerry has a ton of patience for that kind of thing. This team is too talented to have a lot of patience waiting....and waiting
 

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Has anyone here really watched enough Orlando Magic game to know whether Rivers is a really a good coach? I know his teams overachieved, but they did it in the Eastern conference. They also did not win a playoff series.

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Charles Barkley was just talking about Frank Johnson and the Phoenix Suns on the TNT pregame show. He was saying that the Phoenix Suns are not winning because they are just not as good as some of these other teams. I might agree with him if I wasn't watching every game. There is no offensive system here, and there has been an overuse of small ball. That's bad coaching.

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Originally posted by elindholm
... the Suns haven't hired an experienced head coach from outside the organization since ... um ... help me out here ... MacLeod?
Actually, MacLeod was a college coach at Oklahoma when he was named Head Coach of the Suns. He brought Alvan Adams with him.

Cotton Fitzsimmons was brought back for his second stint with NBA experience sandwiched in between.

That led to the only image change for the Suns during their 35 years -- Cotton bringing in Barkley.

With Jahidi starting at Center, joining 2 all-stars and the Rookie of the Year, we could do it again, with (as you mentioned) an experienced head coach from outside the organization.
 

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Cotton Fitzsimmons was brought back for his second stint with NBA experience sandwiched in between.

But was his first head coaching job with the Suns? I'm just not up on the history here. If they "recycle" him after he goes away for a while, that doesn't really count as a new hire.

Is it possible that the Suns have never brought in a new coach with previous NBA head coaching experience? That would be truly amazing.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
Cotton Fitzsimmons was brought back for his second stint with NBA experience sandwiched in between.

But was his first head coaching job with the Suns? I'm just not up on the history here. If they "recycle" him after he goes away for a while, that doesn't really count as a new hire.

Is it possible that the Suns have never brought in a new coach with previous NBA head coaching experience? That would be truly amazing.
I believe you're right.

I've mentioned this before but, when Cotton coached the K.C.-Omaha Kings after leaving the Suns the first time, he taught us a lesson.

The Kings had lost both of their starting guards, Otis Birdsong and Phil Ford, to injuries, before meeting the Suns in the first round of the playoffs.

Rather than react from a position of weakness, he used a starting lineup of 2 Centers and 3 Forward. And the Kings eliminated the Suns.

It was the forerunner of Cotton and the four Barkley years making "power" a priority. Cotton seems to be the only person in the organization who realizes the benefits of it.
 

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I do remember the Suns/Kings series. I specifically remember that I wrote the Suns off when they were down 3-1, then assumed they would win Game 7 once they came back to tie the series.

I'm not so sure that Fitzsimmons is such the big-man proponent that you make him out to be, though. The Suns often used a small lineup while he was coaching, with a front line of Chambers/Barkley/Majerle. That's no bigger than something like Stoudemire/Marion/Johnson, even though Barkley played bigger than his size.

I maintain that the Suns have played small ball because they haven't been fortunate enough to acquire a franchise center. I disagree with your oft-stated contention that this failure arises from a lack of effort. Nonetheless, I agree with you -- to a point -- that sometimes they would be better off trying to make do with the centers that they have, instead of waving the white flag and settling for small lineups as often as they do.

Still, it's amazing that they've never, not once, hired an outside coach with previous NBA head coaching experience. If that's really true.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
I do remember the Suns/Kings series. I specifically remember that I wrote the Suns off when they were down 3-1, then assumed they would win Game 7 once they came back to tie the series.

I'm not so sure that Fitzsimmons is such the big-man proponent that you make him out to be, though. The Suns often used a small lineup while he was coaching, with a front line of Chambers/Barkley/Majerle. That's no bigger than something like Stoudemire/Marion/Johnson, even though Barkley played bigger than his size.

I maintain that the Suns have played small ball because they haven't been fortunate enough to acquire a franchise center. I disagree with your oft-stated contention that this failure arises from a lack of effort. Nonetheless, I agree with you -- to a point -- that sometimes they would be better off trying to make do with the centers that they have, instead of waving the white flag and settling for small lineups as often as they do.

Still, it's amazing that they've never, not once, hired an outside coach with previous NBA head coaching experience. If that's really true.

uh - Cotton never coached Charles/Chambers/Majerle - Westy was the only one who had all those gusy together.
 

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Eric wrote, "I maintain that the Suns have played small ball because they haven't been fortunate enough to acquire a franchise center. I disagree with your oft-stated contention that this failure arises from a lack of effort. "

Heck, in any given year there are twenty teams playing without anything resembling a 'franchise center', but few of them resort to playing small ball. The Suns rarely even come up second tier centers, especially not ones who have some toughness. And it extends to whole front court as far as toughness goes. I'm talking about guys like AC Green and Kurt Rambis, who both did play briefly for the Suns late in their careers. They're not rare items so if a team has very few of them, it has to be because they're not interested in having them. Certainly, if you value them and put in the effort you'll find your share of them.

If you look at the Suns draft history you'll find they didn't draft players of this type. Kenny Gattison is about the only one I can think of and he had very brief career... and he wasn't as rugged as he looked. Now they did draft Mark Eaton, who was a viable center for the Utah Jazz for a decade, and Charles Jones who was a defensive specialist at center who hung in the league for 15 years - neither of whom ever played for the Suns. The draft history is just littered with big men that weren't tough guys though they weren't all talented enough to be called finisse players. Joel Kramer, Jeff Cook, Tim Perry, Armand Gilliam, Ed Pinckney, William Bedford, David Thirdkill, Kenny Battle, Nick Vanos, Mario Bennett, Malcolm Macky. They drafted Larry Nance, a finesse player but at SF he was quite tough, and Andrew Lang who was passable at center. And they did draft Jayson Williams but never managed to sign him.

Don't forget that the Suns have deservedly had the label of being soft in the middle for a generation and a half and that was not because they failed to get the rare franchise center... it was because they didn't get the tough forwards or second rank players. If not from lack of effort then lack of basketball acumen, take your pick...
 

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There's a difference between "small ball" and what might be called "gentle ball." I agree that they have a considerable overlap, but they aren't the same thing.

I think there's no question that MacLeod was finesse-oriented. And in the early 90's, the Suns' strategy was to outscore their opponents and not worry too much about defense. Neither Barkley nor Kevin Johnson was a good defender, but their offensive skills were so overpowering that they were able to lead a very good team.

I don't know what the Suns' current "reputation" is. I do know that talking heads in the media still maintain that the Suns don't play defense. Even a cursory examination of league statistics shows this to be false. In fact, the Suns have been a better than average defensive team since at least the Skiles era.

It's not entirely clear to me what your specific point is with respect to, say, the last five years of Suns history. To me, they don't appear particularly soft during that time, and I don't see a clear soft/small bias in the draft either.

I suppose you will point to Carlos Boozer versus Casey Jacobsen, one of your favorite evidence exhibits. As much as I like Boozer as a player, he would not have a starting role on this team and is not nearly so big as his reputation would imply. In fact, my impression from having watched him a lot so far this season is that he is a poor man's Elton Brand.

And besides, I really don't think it's fair to find the one better option that the Suns may have passed on in the draft and then indict them for overlooking him. That is most assuredly 20-20 hindsight.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm

I think there's no question that MacLeod was finesse-oriented. And in the early 90's, the Suns' strategy was to outscore their opponents and not worry too much about defense. Neither Barkley nor Kevin Johnson was a good defender, but their offensive skills were so overpowering that they were able to lead a very good team.

Definitely disagree about KJ not being a good defender. The biggest example of his defensive skill being in the 93 Finals when he was put on Jordan after Majerle couldn't handle him. Jordan still got his points, but it was very apparent that KJ played better defense on him than anyone did that year. KJ always was a good defender. Maybe not Gary Payton-good, but good nonetheless.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Definitely disagree about KJ not being a good defender. The biggest example of his defensive skill being in the 93 Finals when he was put on Jordan after Majerle couldn't handle him. Jordan still got his points, but it was very apparent that KJ played better defense on him than anyone did that year. KJ always was a good defender. Maybe not Gary Payton-good, but good nonetheless.

didn't jordan drop a double nickel on kj in that game?
 

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Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
didn't jordan drop a double nickel on kj in that game?

I think that was on Majerle, and the reason why KJ was switched over to Jordan.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
I think that was on Majerle, and the reason why KJ was switched over to Jordan.

i really think it was on kj. the 'beef will know. he's an unbelievable receptable of useless suns knowledge. 'beef?
 

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Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
i really think it was on kj. the 'beef will know. he's an unbelievable receptable of useless suns knowledge. 'beef?

Aah, you may be right, he scored 55 in Game 4.
 
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