Any good HC candidates for 2012??

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This thread is stup[d. Three games into the season and "you" want to fire the HC? Lame.

6-13 after Warner retires and gutting a playoff caliber roster and replacing them with UDFA's and old players. Even more lame.
 

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I would love gruden....here kitty kitty kitty would be great for the defense and with kolb.

No way the Cards would/could pay Gruden if Whis gets fired and they're paying his whole staff for another year or two. You'd be looking at the "hot" coordinator, either offense or defense, and whomever would make Fitz happy.

Graves didn't ask for Whis--he wanted Ron Rivera. Maybe there'll be a Chicago re-tread availble. Really wouldn't mind seeing Lovie Smith come over here once he's fired in Chi-town, or Marvin Lewis once he's canned in Cincy.
 

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No way the Cards would/could pay Gruden if Whis gets fired and they're paying his whole staff for another year or two. You'd be looking at the "hot" coordinator, either offense or defense, and whomever would make Fitz happy.

Graves didn't ask for Whis--he wanted Ron Rivera. Maybe there'll be a Chicago re-tread availble. Really wouldn't mind seeing Lovie Smith come over here once he's fired in Chi-town, or Marvin Lewis once he's canned in Cincy.
Lovie Smith would be a good addition IMO, he has roots to AZ, and was even the DC for ASU at one point.

Marvin Lewis should just stick to being a DC, however.
 

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I would love gruden....here kitty kitty kitty would be great for the defense and with kolb.

I'd love to have Jon Gruden here. Hell, our fraud 3-4 defense would probably look a ton better with a Tampa 2 makeover, especially considering our young players (Dan Williams coming from the Tampa 2, fantastic speed and covering ability of Washington, physicality of PP21, etc).

Or maybe we can continue the trend of Steelers with Bill Cowher.

But in all reality, if we go with someone new, it'll probably be someone low key.
 

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Tony Dungy is lightyears ahead of Whiz in term's of coaching prowess, but I doubt he would want to work with Rod Graves. This team needs a defensive minded coach, offensive coaches usually don't create a well-balanced team. If you were to look at the top 10 teams in the league, 80% of those coaches were, at one point or another, a defensive coach to some degree.

funny thing is, Dungy was reputed as a defensive coach when he hired on at the Colts,....and one Brian Billick was supposed to be an offensive genius.....Dungy got Manning, and Billick got Lewis......... but good coaches work with what they have.
 

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I'm so sick of hearing threads about firing coaches or management. Look, Ken's had 1 bad year, last year. Maybe management went cheap, before the lockout, due to uncertainty, but in the offseason they addressed issues. They've been in this league an awful long time compared to people who've been around, what, maybe 1/4 of the time of this franchise. Some humans weren't even born when this **** was trying to build this franchise. Get irritated, vent, whatever, but Bill Bidwill obviously knows how to survive.

Ken Whisenhunt did what anyone would (try to) do with the talent he inherited. When he took us to 8-8 it was considered a success. Then a SB game. What pisses me off is 09. Everyone acts like it was a huge failure. We beat GB in one of the best playoff games ever seen. Then we lose to the Saints, who won the SB that year. They abused our QB and we got some terrible calls, but losing to the SB champs isn't a failure, we just weren't up to the task. Then last year. Everyone acts like last year defines Whisenhunt. It was one year, out of the the last two when he took us to a great playoff win and a SB birth and prior to that, when we were crap. Why don't the other years define him?

In any case, I see no sense in abandoning what he's trying to do. For that matter, I've no real reason to question management. They all knew the lockout was coming, and they prepared in whatever way they thought necessary, a year ahead of time, and that's why we got stuck with DA. They tried to make up for it this year (and will probably try next year), but it's going to take time.
 

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I'm so sick of hearing threads about firing coaches or management. Look, Ken's had 1 bad year, last year. Maybe management went cheap, before the lockout, due to uncertainty, but in the offseason they addressed issues. They've been in this league an awful long time compared to people who've been around, what, maybe 1/4 of the time of this franchise. Some humans weren't even born when this **** was trying to build this franchise. Get irritated, vent, whatever, but Bill Bidwill obviously knows how to survive.

Ken Whisenhunt did what anyone would (try to) do with the talent he inherited. When he took us to 8-8 it was considered a success. Then a SB game. What pisses me off is 09. Everyone acts like it was a huge failure. We beat GB in one of the best playoff games ever seen. Then we lose to the Saints, who won the SB that year. They abused our QB and we got some terrible calls, but losing to the SB champs isn't a failure, we just weren't up to the task. Then last year. Everyone acts like last year defines Whisenhunt. It was one year, out of the the last two when he took us to a great playoff win and a SB birth and prior to that, when we were crap. Why don't the other years define him?

In any case, I see no sense in abandoning what he's trying to do. For that matter, I've no real reason to question management. They all knew the lockout was coming, and they prepared in whatever way they thought necessary, a year ahead of time, and that's why we got stuck with DA. They tried to make up for it this year (and will probably try next year), but it's going to take time.

They did but with an asterisk because he succeeded with McGinnis and Green's players. Without those players Whiz is now 6-13.

Almost everyone was willing to give CKW a pass for last season. But then a rather strange off season which left some real holes in the roster and the slow start this year has started to wear the shine off his star.

But the team only has 8 current starters with more than 19 games as a #1 for the Cardinals. That's going to be tough going for a while. However, they should be able to beat Seattle because their situation is even worse. That loss is tough to take no matter the situation.
 

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I'm so sick of hearing threads about firing coaches or management. Look, Ken's had 1 bad year, last year. Maybe management went cheap, before the lockout, due to uncertainty, but in the offseason they addressed issues.

no they didn't. They didn't address either Offensive Tackle which were TERRIBLE last year. They didn't address OLB which were TERRIBLE last year. They let our #2 WR walk and replaced him with... nothing. They "addressed" ILB by signing a guy who has sucked for two years.

They addressed QB... and that's pretty much it as far as players who can make an impact this year. That doesn't cut for a team who called it a season before last season even started and STILL had 9 million bones with which they could have addressed the above THIS season.

They've been in this league an awful long time compared to people who've been around, what, maybe 1/4 of the time of this franchise. Some humans weren't even born when this **** was trying to build this franchise. Get irritated, vent, whatever, but Bill Bidwill obviously knows how to survive.

obviously knows how to survive... yeah, by inheriting a cash cow which has no possibility of going dry because of TV contracts. The idea that he has "built" anything is a joke. He's had everything handed to him on a silver platter and on that platter, he's served us pile of crap year after year after year.

Ken Whisenhunt did what anyone would (try to) do with the talent he inherited. When he took us to 8-8 it was considered a success. Then a SB game. What pisses me off is 09. Everyone acts like it was a huge failure.

no one acts like that. What in the world are you talking about?
 
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