The question I ask is are Love's rebounds worth $8 mil more per year than Frye? Because most of Love's rebounds are uncontested -- about 8.5 per game.
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The question I ask is are Love's rebounds worth $8 mil more per year than Frye? Because most of Love's rebounds are uncontested -- about 8.5 per game.
BC867
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Well slin, you sure convinced me with your sophisticated post that it doesn't matter that our starting Center is not on the court in the 4th quarter -- NOT!
The broken record you referred to is our Suns, once again, not matching up to how the refs call games late in the season and the playoffs.
BTW, people don't buy "records" anymore. Time for you to join the 21st Century.
My goodness, I have used more sarcasm in this post (responding to yours) than I have in the past 36 years since leaving New Jersey. I am going to go wash out my mouth.
Now, would you like to post why we don't need a strong/veteran player who can finish games in the post? Really!
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But, BC, with all due respect. At times the center thing seems to be all you talk about. While having decent defensive center is a good thing, it is not how this league is functioning today at its highest level. Having an offensive center is nearly unheard of. Miami basically has nothing at center. The Mavs got no real offense at the center position when they won.
Today, its one of the options, but you can win other ways too. This Suns team has more to play at center than it ever has. Frye is not a bad option at all at the center position for stretches in a game. He creates incredible mismatches. Frye puts more pressure on the opposition than he does on his own team.
Today, its one of the options, but you can win other ways too. This Suns team has more to play at center than it ever has. Frye is not a bad option at all at the center position for stretches in a game. He creates incredible mismatches. Frye puts more pressure on the opposition than he does on his own team.
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What do you mean uncontested? Teams don't try to box him out?
And I don't know if Love is worth the price tag he's gonna cost. I haven't given it much thought. But I do know that it's offending to compare Frye to Love. Love is a guy that's capable of pulling down 20+ boards any night.
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They have stats for that now!
http://stats.nba.com/playerTracking...EB_UNCONTESTED&sortOrder=DES&filters=GP*GE*20
http://stats.nba.com/playerTracking...EB_UNCONTESTED&sortOrder=DES&filters=GP*GE*20
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In the past 2 1/2 seasons Kevin Love has had 20 or more rebounds in exactly 4 more games than Channing Frye. If he's capable of pulling down 20 a night then bounce him from the NBA for dogging it.
Is Love capable of pretending to play defense? Bang for the buck, Frye is a far better investment than Love. That only matters if we find someone better to spend that money on but at least we have that option. Add Love to an almost perfect team and he'll be a great addition but he's not the guy to build around. I think you vastly overrate the importance of individual rebound numbers.
BC867
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Rebounding machines are great in triggering the fast break or putting back misses, overrated or not. So instead of being an A+, they're an "A".
Don't you think that our "one man fast break", the Dragon (our almost All-Star), would step to the next level with a rebounding machine in our arsenal?
Especially, as I've mentioned previously, one on the floor in the 4th quarter. The lack of one says a lot.
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What the hell is a "gimme rebound"? Ok so Goran Dragic sucks badly because all he does is score "gimme pts". LeBron sucks all he does is get "gimme pts, gimme rebounds and gimme assists".
Rebounding is rebounding. There's no "gimme rebound" and normal rebound. Ask Amare if rebounding is easy. I'm sure everyone here was whining about his rebounding when he played here, am I right?
And Frye isn't that much of a better defender than Love. He plays good defense on Griffin and is pretty bad against the rest of the league especially in help defenses.
If you went on a regular NBA forum and posted "Frye is a better bang for your buck than Love", I would be very interested to know the reactions you would get.
Uncontested means loose balls on possessions teams gave up on. It essentially means Love collects about 8.4 rebounds a night that would likely fallen to his team, anyway. Love is there, so his teammates release and let him gather it for the outlet pass. Love is worth about 5 extra rebounds a game for his team, which is a very nice + number for rebounding, but it's not an extra $8 million per value. At least not in my opinion. Tom Chambers averaged about 7.5 rebounds per game on the same principle. Chambers wasn't collecting NEW rebound opportunities. He was adding to his total without actually increasing the overall team rebounds.
On a 1:1 level, of course it's offensive to compare Frye to Love. We live in the salary cap era, so it's never a 1:1 comparison. You have to compare the value of a player on the court versus their impact on the salary cap. Frye gives you some numbers for middling sum of money. Love gives you big numbers for massive sum of money. If you're a GM, you already know Love makes you a much better team, but Love's salary likely means his presence would make almost impossible to make the team the best. You know Frye makes your team a little better, and his salary doesn't get in the way.
Thus, we have a Frye vs. Love comparison that shouldn't be offensive to any thinking person.
Errntknght
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Very true, BC. Great rebounders don't get tons of contested rebounds because other, lesser, players are not inclined to contest them. They can even have a fairly low percentage of contested rebounds they get because they will contest from a disadvantageous position. Give me a guy who is among the leaders in total rebounds any day.
By the end of the season we should see Len on the floor to close games, if he's healthy. Rookie mistakes and all he's still the best rebounder on the team and he's better at protecting the rim than anyone but Plumlee. Failing that Jeff might decide to have Plumlee finish and let Len spell him more during the games - Miles is steadily improving at the FT line, which failing, I assume, is the reason he doesn't close games now.
Personally, I think Len is the better choice because of the edge he shows. I'd play him the whole fourth quarter of every game, and start doing it soon, so he knows when and how much he's going to play. Yeah, its a bit of pressure but he'll acclimate to it. Hopefully, he'll thrive on it!
Then when Bledsoe comes back we'll be a better team and continue to improve down the stretch.
