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He told Kemp (can't remember the other guy's name) that tomorrow's column would explain reasoning behind the Q signing and that "the team was hoping for one more big domino to fall".

Personally, I've been thinking that Marion for Ilguskas makes sense if Q gets here. Getting Marion (even though he isn't a 4) might offset the Boozer fiasco in the fans' eyes. Sounds like the Cavs want to move Z, and Marion makes a lot more sense than the Walker trade being rumored from Dallas. A lineup of Nash, Richardson, Ilguskas, Johnson, and Stoudemire would automatically be a top 4 team in the west. Just speculation though.
 

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The suns would have to include about another million in salary to make the deal work (assuming the Q deal puts them at the cap, if we are a million under it would work).

It is a risky move on many fronts.

1.) Z has a HUGE injury history. With his feet no less. At his size, you can assume it will come up again.

2.) The guy rarely plays defense. Never did in his career until the cavs almost traded him last season because of it. Without Paul Silas jumping down his throat, and with Mike D praising his offensive skills, I bet he reverts to his old style.

3.) His contract is expiring. Like a couple other deals, this has the possibility in being a pure Marion salary dump. At this point, Marion is becomming less and less overpaid in comparison to other FAs. Of course that may be offset based on the new CBA, but who knows.

4.) Personally, I like the idea I posted in the Amare needs help thread better. That way the suns have something to show for Marion regardless if they loose the center. Plus Davis will defintiely play defense, and is more of the blue collar guy we need on this team.
 

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They want to move Z and are about to...

They have agreed in principle with the Knicks for a trade that would send the Knicks Z and the Cavs receive Kurt Thomas and a player to be named later
 

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I knew it!!! They wanted Wang ZhiZhi the whole time..
 

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I am not sure if it is worth trading Marion for just Z. The positive is that without extending JJ and resigning Z we would be like 14M$ under the cap next offseason and could again go shopping even if we keep JJ and just let Z go.
 

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Evil Ash said:
They want to move Z and are about to...

They have agreed in principle with the Knicks for a trade that would send the Knicks Z and the Cavs receive Kurt Thomas and a player to be named later

The Knicks would need a 3rd team because Z makes 14M$ and Cleveland can only gain capsapce if they trade with a team under the cap.

I would like to get Nazr Mohammed maybe for Eisley and the Chicago pick in some blockbuster 4way trade. ;)
 
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I think Z's injury problems may be behind him. He's played in 65, 81, & 81 games the past 3 seasons. I hadn't read the NY rumor though.
 

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Ok, how much is to much? We need to have someone on this team that played last year.
 

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65 is not a good number. Would be bette rot leave that one out ;)


Let me rephrase. If we are looking for him to join the suns for 1 year, I dont think we will see a big injury. If our intention is to resign him after his current deal is up, then we will be in trouble.

He will be getting much older, and that massive frame is going to continue to wear on his feet and ankles.

Personally, I dont want to do a complete salary dump. I guess that is why I am against it, since I think resigning Z to a big long term contract would be a huge mistake.
 

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slinslin said:
I would like to get Nazr Mohammed maybe for Eisley and the Chicago pick in some blockbuster 4way trade. ;)
If we can find a way to get Nazr for something less than the Chicago pick I would be on board.
 
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thegrahamcrackr said:
65 is not a good number. Would be bette rot leave that one out ;)
I don't think we've got 65 games from a decent center in the last decade.
 

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I definitely wouldn't trade Marion for Ilgauskas. Ilgauskas has only one year left on his deal, after which the Suns would either have to make a very large commitment to an injury-prone center on the downside of his career or let him go. Neither of those is an appealing prospect.

The "big domino" that the Suns are referring to -- if they're really thinking that way -- pretty much has to be Dampier. Eddie Johnson, in his column for hoopshype (I think?), put Dampier at the very top of his list of big men that he thought the Suns should target, and while it's not like he has any pull with the executives (probably), it's a decent bet that he has some idea what they're thinking.

But mainly, there really aren't any other "big dominos" out there who might "fall." Ilgauskas can be had for the right price, so there's no question about whether he'll fall. None of the other potentially available centers can be considered big dominos. But Dampier's situation is completely up in the air, once the cap level is set, all of the free-agent money shakes down and teams take stock of where they really are.

To me, the best-case scenario is that the Clippers match Richardson and the Suns convince Dampier to sign for his money. That would make

C - Dampier/Voskuhl/Lampe
PF - Stoudemire/Lampe/Vroman
SF - Marion/Cabarkapa/Johnson
SG - Johnson/Jacobsen/Barbosa
PG - Nash/Barbosa

If that team stays healthy and Dampier plays close to last year's level, it would be in good shape for a top-four seed in the West. All of the starters except Johnson are well above average for their positions, and the bench really isn't too bad. And with Dampier, Stoudemire, and Marion on the front line, they'd have a good chance to be the best rebounding team in the entire league.
 
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Sounds pretty good Elindholm. I've heard some negative things about Dampier's work ethic for a couple of weeks now (sounds a lot like Ike Austin did).

BTW - Chad Ford's saying on ESPN the cap will be around 43.9M (about 2M lower than the Suns projected). Sounds like the Clips getting Kobe (and thus us getting Q) is pretty well shot by the cap number now.
 

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Damp supposedly clashed with Arenas and Jamison when they were both in GS. No question he isn't the ideal teammate.

However, I agree he is the best C left (and most likely the best one that was actually available in the beginning).

I would assume he signs for a lot less than expected, but you never know. Indiana and Memphis could still try and push for a S&T......
 
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thegrahamcrackr said:
That is irrelevent. We haven't paid a center 14 million in the last decade either.......
Sorry Graham. Just making a joke. I'm sold Z isn't the answer now.
 

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dayatthebob said:
BTW - Chad Ford's saying on ESPN the cap will be around 43.9M (about 2M lower than the Suns projected). Sounds like the Clips getting Kobe (and thus us getting Q) is pretty well shot by the cap number now.

If Kobe wants to go to the Clips, they'll just clear out a few more contracts. Melvin Ely and Wang Zhi-Zhi are both moveable, and they can trade Chris Wilcox if they're desperate.



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To me, the best-case scenario is that the Clippers match Richardson and the Suns convince Dampier to sign for his money.

So you're saying that Dampier might sign for less than Mehmet Okur got? ;)
 

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Damp supposedly clashed with Arenas and Jamison when they were both in GS. No question he isn't the ideal teammate.

It's very clear that he hated being a Warrior. Maybe that was somewhat justified and maybe it wasn't, who knows. But all this talk about him playing hard in a "contract year" really misses the point -- it was his chance to leave the Warriors, and that's what he was really playing for. He left $17 million on the table to test the market. That's a lot of money, even for a good NBA center.

Will Dampier continue to be an inconsistent malcontent with his next team? It's definitely a risk. But at a starting salary of $6 million or so, one can hardly go wrong.

So you're saying that Dampier might sign for less than Mehmet Okur got?

It's sure looking that way, but I haven't conceded the bet yet. :p
 

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With all the "rumored" negatives on Dampier, he is a PERFECT FIT for the Suns. Not to mention even if his play dropped from last years play he would still be a solid center for us.

Dampier & Amare together makes a HUGE impact on this team. I would be THRILLED to add him.
 

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Since the warriors are reluctant to do any sign and trade unless they get something outrageous in return; this severly limits Dampiers options

Hopefully he will have no choice but to sign with a team that has enough capspace to offer him a decent contract (Suns; Atlanta; Bobcats; etc)

If there is no suitor that pays him the amount he wants maybe Dampier would be open to signing a one year deal (for 8 million) with us; if he does show that last year was no fluke he will be able to command more money next year... if he reverts back to his old self we can sign him to a more reasonable contract
 

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If they can get Dampier to sign here they will have filled all the holes. Most notibly keeping the "core" which I think includes Marion.

I'm not sure Z is worth it. Dampier would be a dream come true at this point.

Dampier could really make a HUGE difference on this team.
 

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I haven't noticed this posted yet....

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=24717

Commentary Trade of Marion could be coming By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist
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Steve Nash will be introduced today as the newest member of the Phoenix Suns. Quentin Richardson may soon join him in the backcourt.
If all goes according to plan, the Suns will hold a third press conference in a few weeks — to announce that Shawn Marion has been traded for a big man.

The Suns know the small-ball team they've put together in free agency — with Amare Stoudemire at center and the thin 6-foot-7 Marion at power forward — won't work in the long run.

Oh, Phoenix would look pretty, score a lot of points and make the playoffs — recall the Kevin Johnson-Tom Chambers-Dan Majerle-Jeff Hornacek Suns' teams of the late 1980s and early 1990s — but the undersized lineup would get killed defensively and on the boards when it matters most — in the postseason.

Plus, there's the not-so-little matter of Stoudemire's vehement objection to playing center on a full-time basis. The Suns aren't about to alienate their poster boy and star player.

The only reasonable option, then, is to trade a perimeter player for a much-needed center.

Which is where Marion and his $86 million contract come in.

Marion is a terrific talent. He was one of only two NBA players — along with Minnesota's Kevin Garnett — to rank in the top 30 last season in points, rebounds, steals, blocks and minutes played.

But Marion is not an impact player. He doesn't take over games in the fourth quarter. He doesn't demand the ball when games are on the line. His shooting percentage has dropped three straight seasons as he's become more reliant on the 3-point shot.

Marion would be a terrific second or third option on a playoff team. Problem is, the Suns are paying him to be a superstar, and he isn't.

The question is, what kind of big man can Phoenix get for Marion?

Golden State's Erick Dampier is available, but he was a classic underachiever until last season, his contract year, and he might dog it again if he has the security of a new, long-term deal.

Cleveland's Zydrunas Ilgauskas is on the market, but he has a history of foot problems.

The dream get: New Orleans center Jamaal Magloire. The 6-foot-11, 250-pound Magloire averaged 13.6 points, 10.3 rebounds and 1.2 blocks per game last season and was named to the Eastern Conference All-Star team. He's young (26), athletic and only getting better.

The Hornets don't want to part with Magloire, but they need a scoring small forward to replace Jamal Mashburn, who's nearing the end of his career because of injury problems. Marion, an All-Star and an Olympian, might be enticing.

Imagine a starting five of Magloire, Stoudemire, Johnson, Richardson and Nash. The Suns would be forgiven for prematurely blowing up the Stoudemire-Marion-Stephon Marbury triangle and subjecting fans to last year's 29-53 embarrassment.

Of course, every master plan has its bugs.

If Kobe Bryant re-signs with the Los Angeles Lakers, the Clippers are more likely to match the $40 million offer sheet Richardson signed with the Suns. (One factor working in Phoenix's favor: Richardson and Clippers forward Corey Maggette don't get along, and L.A. may want to appease Maggette).

Even if Richardson winds up in Phoenix, there's no guarantee the Suns can work out a favorable deal involving Marion. Good centers are hard to find, and Marion's contract might be as unappealing to other teams as it is the Suns.

Just know this: The Suns don't want to be the Little Team that Could. Been there, failed at that.

They need a big man to win a championship, and they'll use Marion as bait.
Contact Scott Bordow by email, or phone (480) 898-6598
 

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Didn't read through all the posts so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I heard on LA radio that Richardson was looking for houses in Arizona and that he hoped the clippers would "do the right thing" and let him go. Sorry if this was already posted...
 

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He gets paid to write this stuff?

I would LOVE to have Magloire and would trade Marion for him a heatbeat (and I'm a big Marion fan). But unless there is something weird going on, I can't see it happening. The Hornets backup center is the Tractor and he's a free agent (and only played 10 minutes a game as it is). They didn't even draft big since they took JR Smith.

What is worse, Magloire signed an extension at an extremely low amount a year ago (less than $5 million) for a guy who made the all start team. A cheap, quality center for support type SF to join a team without even a solid backup center? Dream on. :rolleyes:
 

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George O'Brien said:
What is worse, Magloire signed an extension at an extremely low amount a year ago (less than $5 million)


Wrong. He is scheduled to make 9.3 next year, and a player option the year after that, for around ten, and 11 million the year after that. I agree it is unlikely, but perhaps if we throw in little Jake and the Bulls first round pick, and the Hornets GM has taken a bong rip before the call, it could work, and we would be a legit top 4 seed.
 

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