Anyone hear Bordow on 1060?

[thegrahamcrackr]

Well I have been saying Marion is as good as gone if the suns get Q. Magloire was mentioned a little earlier on here, but I just shrugged it off.

I really don't know how he goes from realistic ideas in Z and Damp, to Magloire.

Yah, the hornets need someone to replace Mashburn. Maybe they should try getting rid of him first though!

 

[George O'Brien]

Wrong. He is scheduled to make 9.3 next year, and a player option the year after that, for around ten, and 11 million the year after that. I agree it is unlikely, but perhaps if we throw in little Jake and the Bulls first round pick, and the Hornets GM has taken a bong rip before the call, it could work, and we would be a legit top 4 seed.

Maybe you are right. That's not how I interpret Patricia. What is your source?

Jamaal Magloire ....... 7/18/00,10/29/03 4+3 $4,871,131+$20.25mill '07

I read it as $20.25 million over the last three years, which is an average of under $7 million.

http://www.nationwide.net/~patricia/contracts

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Maybe you are right. That's not how I interpret Patricia. What is your source?

Jamaal Magloire ....... 7/18/00,10/29/03 4+3 $4,871,131+$20.25mill '07

I read it as $20.25 million over the last three years, which is an average of under $7 million.

http://www.nationwide.net/~patricia/contracts

My bad, I was looking at the hoopshype site, under Jamal Mashburn....it's late. This damn thunder won't stop, I need some sleep

 

[George O'Brien]

My bad, I was looking at the hoopshype site, under Jamal Mashburn....it's late. This damn thunder won't stop, I need some sleep

No problem. I've had my eye on Magloire for almost two years and was really upset when I found he signed the extention for what I consider to be way under market.

 

[cly2tw]

For half the money you can get a Stephon Jackson, why would the Hornets give up an underpaid scarce commodity in Magloire for a maxed-out SF?

The realistic solution is indeed my previous proposal to get Dampier via Houston's trade exception. Marion is the perfect compliment to Yao/Tmac, though a bit expensive. But they are capped out anyway.

 

[Joe Mama]

For half the money you can get a Stephon Jackson, why would the Hornets give up an underpaid scarce commodity in Magloire for a maxed-out SF?

The realistic solution is indeed my previous proposal to get Dampier via Houston's trade exception. Marion is the perfect compliment to Yao/Tmac, though a bit expensive. But they are capped out anyway.

I agree. And before someone comes on year-end complaints about how we are under valuing Shawn Marion please realize that he is a small forward only. Quality centers are just worth more in a trade. Young quality centers averaging a double double with very reasonable contracts are almost impossible to land in a trade.

If Scott Burdow really thinks this is a legitimate possibility he should just stop writing about the NBA.

I also don't think the Phoenix Suns are going to seriously consider Erick Dampier. In fact I believe there are only a few teams with big-money that would be really willing to give him anywhere near the contract he is expecting. The guy only performed well in a contract year when the rest of the Golden Warriors frontcourt was decimated.

In the end I think the Phoenix Suns will do the best they can with minimum contracts at the center position. They will just have to explain to Amare Stoudemire that there was no way to get a decent center or anything resembling a reasonable price. They'll continue to work on getting him some help in the middle, but until then you will be playing alongside Jake Voskuhl, Lampe, and low-priced players in the middle.

Joe Mama

 

[scotsman13]

For half the money you can get a Stephon Jackson, why would the Hornets give up an underpaid scarce commodity in Magloire for a maxed-out SF?

The realistic solution is indeed my previous proposal to get Dampier via Houston's trade exception. Marion is the perfect compliment to Yao/Tmac, though a bit expensive. But they are capped out anyway.

first of all stephen jackson wont give you have the game that marion does. there is no compairson between marion and jackson. so many of you guys see that marion isnt a great scorer and because he has a max contract. what marion gets you is so differant from what you normally get out of your small forward that we should thank our lucky stars that we have him. do you understand that you got a player that gave the team 104 blocks, #2 overall for the most steals per game, #1 over all best rebounding small forward, #14 most rebound per game? on top of his scoring 19 point a game. come guys some of you act like marion is the black death.

second i wouldnt let marion go anywhere near houston. i dont give teams that i am trying to beat that kind of advanage. houston is going to bomb and bomb big this year. they are going to have so many injuries it is going to shock you. heck safe the houston fans the pain just put the whole team on the ir right now.

 

[capologist]

This doesn’t even come close to working under the salary cap. Marion makes $12.6M. Magloire is a Base Year Compensation player, which means the Hornets can only count last year’s salary, $1.7M, in a trade. That’s a difference of almost $11M, Mr. Bordow.

It would be bad enough if it were idiotic speculation about a trade that can’t possibly happen. What makes this especially horrible is that Bordow is reporting it as if it’s a fact that the Suns are planning to do this. It’s an outright lie, and a hurtful one at that. (Shawn doesn’t like being the subject of constant trade rumors.) Worse, it’s a terrible disservice to the newspaper’s readers.

The paper should publish a retraction and an apology.

Not gonna happen. But absolutely should.

 

[elindholm]

On the Suns/Wizards summer league telecast last night, they interviewed Baron Davis, and he called Magloire "the foundation of our team" or something like that. New Orleans isn't trading him.

Here's another thing about Marion that has always bothered me, however:

His game is entirely based on athleticism, and athleticism doesn't last. No one is as quick at age 30 as they are at age 25. If you think of other super athletes, say Jordan, they developed their games in other ways as they aged. They become stronger, smarter, more fundamentally sound, and trickier. Marion already attempted to get stronger and it was counter-productive. Will he get smarter, more fundamentally sound, or trickier? He just doesn't seem like that kind of player to me.

In other words, there's a substantial risk that he has already peaked as a player, or will very soon. Which is all the more reason to try to move him now.

 

[scotsman13]

New Orleans trades: C Jamaal Magloire (13.7 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 33.9 minutes)
SF Jamal Mashburn (20.8 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 38.4 minutes)
New Orleans receives: SG Casey Jacobsen (6.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.4 minutes)
SF Shawn Marion (19.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 40.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

Phoenix trades: SG Casey Jacobsen (6.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.4 minutes)
SF Shawn Marion (19.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 40.7 minutes)
Phoenix receives: C Jamaal Magloire (13.7 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 82 games)
SF Jamal Mashburn (20.8 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 19 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.5 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to New Orleans and Phoenix being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. New Orleans and Phoenix had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


i am not saying that it will happen but it can happen but it can. also by putting casey in there we help to free up some of the

 

[George O'Brien]

Mashburn is like Grant Hill, only more of a tease. He's injured more than he isn't. If Mashburn magically became healthy, it would be an unqualified steal for the Suns. Otherwise, it might be OK but it would certainly add to the Suns salary structure.

I don't know how despirate New Orleans is to dump Mash. To do this deal, they'd have to be really despirate.

 

[Chaz]

Hey! Where's Dampier's website so we can send him an email?
Or maybe we need some compromising pictures?

I was against going after Dampier but with the lack of intrest in signing him to a huge deal he becomes much more attractive to the Suns. He may be looking to prove something. Of course the Clippers would have to match Q or BC would have to get enough leverage to get GS to agree to a sign & trade.

Maglore would be great but it is not going to happen. The real crime in Bordow suggesting this is uninformed people will think it is possible and rip the Suns for not doing it.