Anyone still wish...

[Black Jesus]

Anyone still wish that Amare was traded instead of Marion? I'm curious if Amare's play has stomped out all those feelings, especially when Marion is the most overrated "underrated" player of all time. Black Jesus, Stat, the Kid, manchild, whatever you want to call him, he is the best scorer in the NBA.

 

[Andrew]

I haven't been a PHX fan for long, but is this normal for Amare? Is he really just that good?

 

[Darth Llama]

he is the best scorer in the NBA.

If this thread were about Kobe or LeBron, I would have to say you have a good argument. Otherwise, it's just ridiculous.

 

[Phade]

If this thread were about Kobe or LeBron, I would have to say you have a good argument. Otherwise, it's just ridiculous.

i think he meant to say most dominating scorer..

if amare was averaging 20-22 shots per game he'd be averaging more points than kobe and lebron..

 

[Darth Llama]

Shot attempts aren't the issue. Kobe and Lebron can get their shot any time over anyone. There is no defense that can stop either of them, and no defender that can stop them. Amare is pretty close, but he can't get that shot from anywhere like Kobe or Lebron.

At his position, yes, he's the best. As far as in the entire NBA, I disagree. The poster said "best scorer in the NBA."

 

[RingtheBell]

I haven't been a PHX fan for long, but is this normal for Amare? Is he really just that good?

No, he is an actor.

 

[TJ]

I dont think thats an issue anymore

 

[Black Jesus]

Don't get me wrong, Kobe is the best player in the league and the best playmaker, but as far as scoring, Amare IS the best. He shoots 58% from the field. 80% from the stripe. He is averaging 25/game despite only averaging 15 shots. Kobe is shooting 46% on 21 shots a game for 28.5 pts/game. Kobe also goes the the line more frequently than Amare because of all the touches he gets in the offense. You give Amare more shots a game, and he is averaging 33 a game at least.

Nobody in the game is better than Amare within 18 feet from the hoop.

 

[Phade]

Shot attempts aren't the issue. Kobe and Lebron can get their shot any time over anyone. There is no defense that can stop either of them, and no defender that can stop them. Amare is pretty close, but he can't get that shot from anywhere like Kobe or Lebron.

At his position, yes, he's the best. As far as in the entire NBA, I disagree. The poster said "best scorer in the NBA."

i dunno man battier completely owned kobe when he faced em..

 

[Darth Llama]

Nobody in the game is better than Amare within 18 feet from the hoop.

Well, I would be hard pressed to find an argument there. It's very difficult to compare a post player with a perimiter guy to begin with because of varying degree of difficulty in their shots.

If I am building a team though, and I need a Power Forward that can light up the Score Board night in and night out, I'm taking Amare, no doubt.

i dunno man battier completely owned kobe when he faced em..

Battier had one good game against Kobe. I give him credit, he played well, I'm a Battier fan myself, but no one really thinks that Shane could stop Kobe night in and night out in a 7 game series. There are players in the league that no one can stop and that's just how it is. Guys like Kobe, LeBron, Amare, etc are going to get their points no matter who's on them. Every player is subject to a bad game from time to time though.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I haven't been a PHX fan for long, but is this normal for Amare? Is he really just that good?

Yeah Amare is pretty bad ass, he used to be raw but had tons of explosion when he attacked the basket. Now that he is more polished, he has a good mid range game and is less explosive as he used to be after his injury. I will not be missing Marion come playoff time, the time of the Season that Marion gets accounted for and dissapears. I am loving the big Suns, Leave Amare at PF forever, Suns will always need a Center after seeing what Amare can do when he is at PF.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Feed Amare!

I lost my voice midseason after yelling that so much. Now it's happened and he has gone crazy with the ball.

I love when Im right

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I don't think you can even compare Lebron/Kobe to Amare. Amare just by sheer size he won't have the agility to score from as many places as smaller players can. It's like saying hey who is a better scorer Jordan or Karl Malone? You just can't compare them directly as each were better at different things. Both were great scorers and both have identical historical scoring numbers. So who is a better scorer?

So as a % scorer I would say Amare is better but from a able to shot from anywhere in the gym? that goes to Kobe.

I will say that probably the most over used and most misunderstood comment from fans is "he can create his own shot." This is a joke statement, because a lot of smaller players can create their own shot, hell Marcus bank could create his own shot, he still sucked ass, so creating you own shot is an cop out for people to discredit scorers at the center and PF position. The real value of an NBA player is can his scoring change the game, Consistently, and when does he make his impact scoring. All the top players can do this and do, Amare is pretty close to that level, I think next year he will be top 3 regardless.

 

[Phade]

I think next year he will be top 3 regardless.

as kobe begins his decline

 

[boisesuns]

I hate to bring this up, especially with the way Amare is playing, but I wonder how is knee is doing? The obvious answer is "GREAT!" He's back to jumping over people and moving very well.

Initial estimates of many micro-fracture cases were that the patient would need a new operation every 3-5 years. I'm hoping the size of the hole, and the improvements of the operation mean this won't be the case for amare.

 

[Phade]

I hate to bring this up, especially with the way Amare is playing, but I wonder how is knee is doing? The obvious answer is "GREAT!" He's back to jumping over people and moving very well.

Initial estimates of many micro-fracture cases were that the patient would need a new operation every 3-5 years. I'm hoping the size of the hole, and the improvements of the operation mean this won't be the case for amare.

i'd feel better if we never mentioned this topic again..

 

[Lorenzo]

I wish the mavs had amare. he's a unique talent that's for sure. and I think him playing PF is much better obviously. win or lose today....best record or worst playoff seed......nothing that happens in the regular season will count in the playoffs. amare and every other suns player will be judged by the playoffs once again. as what was talked about in november..... the suns have a solid team and should be considered legit contenders. we'll see what happens.

 

[Black Jesus]

i'd feel better if we never mentioned this topic again..

seriously... i dont like that thought at all and never want to be reminded ever again.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I hate to bring this up, especially with the way Amare is playing, but I wonder how is knee is doing? The obvious answer is "GREAT!" He's back to jumping over people and moving very well.

Initial estimates of many micro-fracture cases were that the patient would need a new operation every 3-5 years. I'm hoping the size of the hole, and the improvements of the operation mean this won't be the case for amare.

Jinx of the year candidate. Congrats.

 

[dodie53]

best scorer in the NBA imo
1. kobe
2. LBJ

 

[dodie53]

question:

would the Suns be better if:

Amare was traded for KG

then

Marion was traded for Shaq?

our lineup would be
C - shaq
PF - kg
SF - hill
SG - bell
PG - nash

 

[boisesuns]

Jinx of the year candidate. Congrats.

Eh. I knew i'd get some greif for posting that. If something happens i'm not going to blame myself for it I was just wondering if anyone else had been thinking the same thing in the back of their minds.

Remember, some initial guesses were that he would never be back to the way he was. All those have been put to rest, and his time with limited mobility gave his the chance to get a solid jumper. Long term? We will see how things hold up, but all indications are that things are going well.

 

[Phade]

Eh. I knew i'd get some greif for posting that. If something happens i'm not going to blame myself for it I was just wondering if anyone else had been thinking the same thing in the back of their minds.

Remember, some initial guesses were that he would never be back to the way he was. All those have been put to rest, and his time with limited mobility gave his the chance to get a solid jumper. Long term? We will see how things hold up, but all indications are that things are going well.

10 to 1 odds amare gets hurt before playoff time.. thanks

 

[ambchang_]

While Amare is a dominant finisher (the numbers speak for themselves), I wouldn't say that he is the best scorer in the league, not even at PF.

The reason is because he is not as good in creating his own shot as some other PFs.
Around 70% of his shots were assisted upon (by the best assist man in the league), where as a player like Nowitzki has about 53% of his shots assisted, and Duncan at around 50%, and Garnett at 67%.

You can also see that the % of shots assisted tend to stay the same for Amare as the shot clock winds down, while the others tend of have that numbers decrease, which means that teams look for other players to create the offense late in the clock.

 

[Phade]

I love this SUNS forum