Anyone still wish...

[ambchang_]

two points is two points, but assists to amare make his effectiveness irrelevant.

Why do the mods let this subhuman dialog continue?

And apparently, you don't even have the intelligence to understand a subhuman dialogue.

 

[Ronin]

I would trade Amare Stoudemire for Kevin Garnett. I was telling Sactown that Amare's rebounding is on par with a shooting guard.

I also have metion the fire that Kevin Garnett plays with every night, Amare sometimes takes games off.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I would trade Amare Stoudemire for Kevin Garnett. I was telling Sactown that Amare's rebounding is on par with a shooting guard.

I also have metion the fire that Kevin Garnett plays with every night, Amare sometimes takes games off.

Your claims are quite false.

Find another frontcourt duo in the game that averages the amount of rebounds shaq and Amare have.

While I dont really have an opinion on garnett/amare, they both have posted bad games this season.

1/10

 

[Ronin]

I wasn't talk about as a dou...i was talking as an individual. Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan are two of the best rebounding big man in the game today. Stephen A. Smith just screamed(as he usually does) what I've been saying this season. Amare and the rest of the team don't play with a killer instinct. Tim Duncan is going to get you a Double-Double every night and so is Kevin Garnett.

 

[Ronin]

I really hate to rip on Amare, but he has had three surgeries(Microfracture surgery, baker cyst) on his knees, while Kevin Garnett has is playing on two healthy knees.

 

[Covert Rain]

Your claims are quite false.

Find another frontcourt duo in the game that averages the amount of rebounds shaq and Amare have.

While I dont really have an opinion on garnett/amare, they both have posted bad games this season.

1/10

His claims are still false. Even on an individual basis. Since the All-Star break their are only 10 guys in the entire league averaging more rebounds then Amare per game. 6 of which are centers. So that means only 4 Forwards in this game average more. So Amare is top 5 rebounding PF in this league.

So let's see.

Top 5 in rebounds
Top 6 in blocks
Top 5 in scoring (since All-Star break #2)
Top 5 FG%
Averaging a double double per game since the All-Star break.

So, I guess I must be missing something here.

I really hate to rip on Amare, but he has had three surgeries(Microfracture surgery, baker cyst) on his knees, while Kevin Garnett has is playing on two healthy knees.

As of right now Amare's knees are healthy too. So what is your point? He is having zero issues. Even if you don't believe they won't hold up over the long haul, neither will KG since he is much older then Amare. I am glad to see you really "hate to rip Amare" but at least be right about what your ripping him for.

 

[Lorenzo]

they dont need Dirk to score(to win sure, but not to score). Terry and Howard are better scorers than the suns 2nd, and 3rd leading scorers, they are better at creating their own shot.

I don't know if stack has led the mavs in scoring once this year...I'd have to check into that. his season high is in the 20's and he's only done it a handfull of times. what you say about dirk, makes little to no sense at all. they don't need him to score...to win of course? tell me what that means. did you watch a game dallas played without dirk? sure howard scored 30ppg which shows he's a good player. but the mavs are not winning a game without dirk against a better than average team. are you going to tell me after that game dirk played against phoenix with a bad ankle that the mavs don't need this guy to score to win games? ambchang is not right about everything obviously. but yes dirk is better at creating his own shot than amare is. and that is a fact. and dirk may not be able to elevate like amare can. he doesn't have those sportscenter dunks either. but he gets to the rim very effectively....usually without a setup from another player. let's see how well amare plays without a first team all nba PG...before we start calling him the best PF in the game.....or even that amare is a better PF than nowitzki....kg....or duncan. steeldog... that was yet another soft 30 again that dirk hit on the suns. another soft choke-worthy performance.

 

[nowagimp]

I don't know if stack has led the mavs in scoring once this year...I'd have to check into that. his season high is in the 20's and he's only done it a handfull of times. what you say about dirk, makes little to no sense at all. they don't need him to score...to win of course? tell me what that means. did you watch a game dallas played without dirk? sure howard scored 30ppg which shows he's a good player. but the mavs are not winning a game without dirk against a better than average team. are you going to tell me after that game dirk played against phoenix with a bad ankle that the mavs don't need this guy to score to win games? ambchang is not right about everything obviously. but yes dirk is better at creating his own shot than amare is. and that is a fact. and dirk may not be able to elevate like amare can. he doesn't have those sportscenter dunks either. but he gets to the rim very effectively....usually without a setup from another player. let's see how well amare plays without a first team all nba PG...before we start calling him the best PF in the game.....or even that amare is a better PF than nowitzki....kg....or duncan. steeldog... that was yet another soft 30 again that dirk hit on the suns. another soft choke-worthy performance.

they dont need dirk to score(read terry, howard would score very well w/out dirk on the floor: he doesnt enable their scoring). "to win": they need dirk to score for the team to win.


stack led the mavs with 19 march 23 in SA, and Harris led them 4 times. In the dec 8th win vs the Jazz, Dirk was the 4th leading scorer with 16 as Howard poured in 47 pts. Bottom line is that howard scored more than 30 6 times this year, and the 47 was a team high for the year. Josh Howard is a very talented offensive player(and their best defender, by far). I think Terry and Howard create very well and the suns have more difficulty guarding them than Dirk in some games. No one on the suns can guard either of those guys on an iso. If the suns could control those guys, it almost doesnt matter what Dirk does. The suns need to help on Terry/Howard often leads to a mismatch on Dirk. That does not mean that Dirk is not a great scorer, he is, but to say "he IS the offense"(ambchang post) is just ignorant.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I wasn't talk about as a dou...i was talking as an individual. Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan are two of the best rebounding big man in the game today. Stephen A. Smith just screamed(as he usually does) what I've been saying this season. Amare and the rest of the team don't play with a killer instinct. Tim Duncan is going to get you a Double-Double every night and so is Kevin Garnett.

I bet the loudmouth writes a different article this morning.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

I wasn't talk about as a dou...i was talking as an individual. Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan are two of the best rebounding big man in the game today. Stephen A. Smith just screamed(as he usually does) what I've been saying this season. Amare and the rest of the team don't play with a killer instinct. Tim Duncan is going to get you a Double-Double every night and so is Kevin Garnett.

Lets look at the head to head matchup for Garnett/Amare this year.

1st game:

Garnett: 5 rebounds
Amare: 6 rebounds

2nd game:

Garnett: 3 rebounds
Amare: 6 rebounds.

 

[nowagimp]

Lets look at the head to head matchup for Garnett/Amare this year.

1st game:

Garnett: 5 rebounds
Amare: 6 rebounds

2nd game:

Garnett: 3 rebounds
Amare: 6 rebounds.

Well it appears that Garnett also rebounds like a shooting guard, in that very limited sample.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Well it appears that Garnett also rebounds like a shooting guard, in that very limited sample.

Of course its a very limited sample but the guy I was replying to was talking in absolutes. Said the dude will give you a double/double every game when hes not even averaging 10 rebounds a game this year.

 

[nowagimp]

Of course its a very limited sample but the guy I was replying to was talking in absolutes. Said the dude will give you a double/double every game when hes not even averaging 10 rebounds a game this year.

relax, Im agreeing with you, just using the sampling condition to be flame proof. I had pointed this out in an earlier thread when fans were complaining that Diaw was rebounding poorly(he also had 5, like KG).

 

[Ronin]

I bet the loudmouth writes a different article this morning.

Probably, but now you have Skip Bayless downplaying the Suns win, Saying the Spurs were playing 3/4 of their potential. I don't agree with Skip Bayless though, i think the Spurs were about as hard as the Suns were playing.

 

[Lorenzo]

they dont need dirk to score(read terry, howard would score very well w/out dirk on the floor: he doesnt enable their scoring). "to win": they need dirk to score for the team to win.


stack led the mavs with 19 march 23 in SA, and Harris led them 4 times. In the dec 8th win vs the Jazz, Dirk was the 4th leading scorer with 16 as Howard poured in 47 pts. Bottom line is that howard scored more than 30 6 times this year, and the 47 was a team high for the year. Josh Howard is a very talented offensive player(and their best defender, by far). I think Terry and Howard create very well and the suns have more difficulty guarding them than Dirk in some games. No one on the suns can guard either of those guys on an iso. If the suns could control those guys, it almost doesnt matter what Dirk does. The suns need to help on Terry/Howard often leads to a mismatch on Dirk. That does not mean that Dirk is not a great scorer, he is, but to say "he IS the offense"(ambchang post) is just ignorant.

ambchang did take his comment back and clarified himself. what i will say is that howard and terry can both score when called upon....howard is more reliable than terry because he can get to the FT line. you really never know what you are going to get from terry. he did not play well at all without dirk on the floor. howard on the other hand did step up...but it didn't matter because the mavs couldn't beat a playoff team without dirk. they couldn't score against SA after he went down. they couldn't continue to score against denver or houston in the second half. they lost to GS on the road because they couldn't score down the stretch....against the worst defensive team in the league? then dirk comes back hurt and all of the sudden the mavs look completely different? even in those tough games dallas lost before the injury....dirk was carrying that team on his back and was playing very well. dirk is not all of the mavs offense, but you take him away and they have NO chance. it is very similiar to what steve nash means to the suns. the suns have proven that they can win with amare and others injured....but any time steve has missed more than one game they start to tank. that's the main reason nash won the mvp the 2nd year when amare was hurt. after all many suns fans felt that if raja bell was healthy for game 6 against the mavs that year the suns could of won the series. dirk appears to have the same affect for the mavs. this is more along the lines of what ambchang should of said.