Apologies to all

[Tangodnzr]

Jersey Girl, I am going to take the liberty of giving my opinion of why Kerouac got banned.
I don't pretend to speak for Skkorp in any way shape or form.
I can only offer my observations.
Its no secret that Kerouac has been an irritant to Skkorp for quite some time now. Yet he continued to post in ways that did nothing to diminish that. I'm not saying he posted things just to piss Skkorp or others here off, but in particular in Skkorp's case, he just kept irritating him. Whether anyone else agrees with the substance of the disagreement is immaterial. As has been pointed out numerous times, this is Skkorp's site, to continue to antagonize him is very much less than ingenious, to say the least.
I think the straw that broke the camel's back was Kerouac's response to some comments Jim O. had made from watching rookie practice. Jim took offense to that, and said that because of it, he would no longer post his opinions. I don't blame Jim at all for that.
I would be willing to guess, that there were a lot of people, like me, whose heart fell, when we read Jim's comment. His posts here have been one of the real nice aspects of this site. To see his efforts put down and denigrated by someone like Kerouac, who by self admission was not even a whole-hearted Card fan, but more of an Atlanta Falcons fan was just too much.
Here was someone fairly new to the board here, who had established a history of negativity in all Card related matters....dampening the desire of someone who had invested their own time, and integrity to trying to make the site better for all real fans.

I totally agree with his banning for that reason alone, and the sheer stupidity of his actions.....don't raise an iota of sympathy from me. I don't think his banning was because of what his opinions specifically were.....in that sense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Personally - I just wanted to add a quick little note. People like NEM and Kerouac were banned - period - for good or bad. I really think it's in poor taste from here on out to bring up either again in a negative light or to slam them as they don't have the opportunity to respond. Just my two cents - the words NEM and Kerouac should be treated as profanities - not because they are bad words - I just think it's unfair and childish to rant on people who aren't given an opporutnity to defend themselves. He's gone now and I'm sure a lot of you are happy. Why not just leave it at that for both of them?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by happythepeople
hey Ken, and anyone else whose ignorance preceeds them, read the f***ing book man.

I have, in the orginal German. My German exchange partner's father was a member of the "Hitler Jungend", and still had his copy from 1939.

To assume, from a single comment, ignorance on anyone's part makes you as indictable as those you are chastising with your arrogant, condescending rhetoric.

Originally posted by happythepeople
This is probably futile, trying to explain. In hindsight the uttering of HIS name was probably not the wisest of choices, but blame synchronicty(currently reading the book) or lack of tact, not the idea itself.

Synchronicity? In the Jungian sense? I don't see that is applicable here...

Yes, it was unwise to use Hitler's name in this case, or mention anything associated with him is any sort of a possitive manner. If you are as smart as you like to try to sound, you would have realized this before posting the message. The name "Hitler" is one of those terms that envokes an immediate negative response from most people regardless of what's being discussed. If you were to make as quick of a study of psychology as you apparently have philosophy this wouldn't matter would be a non-issue.

Originally posted by happythepeople
Though I shouldn't need to mention this: I'm not a nazi, am not German, detest every single act that took place in regards to the man himself, but am not so narrow as to hate everything that a person can consist of.

I don't believe that your comment was, or should have been, construed as "nazi-ish" in nature. It came off as high-brow attempt at being a smart ass at Skorp's expense.

Originally posted by happythepeople
In the end, no single person is detestable when seperating their ideas from other events in their life.

If this doesn't end the "kudos to mr. 11" flooding, I really have no idea what will.

As far as I was concerned, your retort already layed to rest this issue. My comment was posted almost simultaneously with yours. I went to lunch, and didn't have to opportunity to retract my comment until now. But now I'm not. If you wish to make it sound like you're the resident PhD of the board that's your choice, you had better make your comments better than what I have read of your posts of late.

No one likes an arrogant braggart!

I stand by my belief that by your display of holier-than-thou drivel, it is grounds enough to be banned. Just my opinion. I guess we can just agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Thanks for the explanation, Tango. It's all good by me. Skorp runs a great board here and I totally respect his decisions to do whatever he sees fit. After re-reading my first post, I don't think that feeling really came across, so...

THANKS SKORP! You are appreciated!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lars the Red
I get sick of the 'civil liberty/free speech' crap that many fall back on. We forget that sites like this are not a right, they are a privilege. We don't have the right to post, we have the opportunity.

I am greatful for the opportunity. This is a simple thing that gives us a chance to share ideas and opinions, and I for one really enjoy the break from the real world. Thanks Skorp.

I agree, personally I was against banning but it's not my board so who cares what my opinion was?

The best board I read on the internet is a flyfishing board. The guy who owns the board often gets ripped for deleting threads or telling people not to be negative, not to trash people etc. He lets you be honest(ie if a product stinks you can say it stinks to warn others not to buy it) but in general he wants a positive exchange about flyfishing. people say he's way too picky but the result is a TERRIFIC board because he deletes the threads that are about to slip into pissing matches.

So yes if this were my board Kerouac9 would still be here, but it's not my board and I see no point questioning Skorp's decision to ban him because his opinions seem to be working so far.

 

[happythepeople]

Jeezh Ken,

holier-than-though rhetoric is not what I'd label it as. In fact, I don't see anything all that brash, or hi-falutin' in what I wrote.
You know how you claim to be funny? I don't claim to be philosophical or a PHD of any sort. No one is trying to sound smart on this board, nor funny(see: your vote and your last place or the equivalent thereof finish) right? I mean predicting the success of college players in the pro game seems to me just as much an indicator of one's intelligence as the random citings of book's one has read. But then again, some might claim otherwise, and in doing so display their own hierarchy of intelligence(see: sounding/dividing intelligent/ce) Some people just talk in certain ways, and I'm sorry if my particular lexical(oh god, should I try and use me good ol' thesaurus to find a word less 'holy'?) bent comes across the way you seem to take it. As per synchronicty(see: the relation that exists when things occur at the same time), I happened to be reading the book at the same time as I was reading the Kerouac issue. I'm pretty sure that makes it applicable(see: having relevance).

High-brow? Last time I checked the book was still one of the top selling books of all time. Is mentioning Stephen King high-brow? What about the Bible?

Yes, you are right no one likes an arrogant braggart.

I do not think Section 11 is as funny as I am! Granted, he posts a great deal more, and may seem to be funnier do to shear volume of funny posts, but when you go through both of our posting histories you see that I have a much higher funny-to-unfunny post ratio than he does.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

hey Ken and Happy, take your off-topic Hitler crap to email, private message or the Everything else board.

This thread isn't about that.

Thanks,

Mike

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Personally - I just wanted to add a quick little note. People like NEM and Kerouac were banned - period - for good or bad. I really think it's in poor taste from here on out to bring up either again in a negative light or to slam them as they don't have the opportunity to respond. Just my two cents - the words NEM and Kerouac should be treated as profanities - not because they are bad words - I just think it's unfair and childish to rant on people who aren't given an opporutnity to defend themselves. He's gone now and I'm sure a lot of you are happy. Why not just leave it at that for both of them?

Well said.

For what it's worth, I was against the ban, but this is Skkorp's board - and a damn good one at that.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Kerouac is banned. My decision.

Web sites where Cards haters can bitch to their hearts' contents are all over the web. THIS SITE ISN'T ONE OF THEM.

This site is for Cards fans who care. Who interprets that? I do. I pay the freight. If you don't like it, leave.

I made a mistake asking if I should ban Kerouac. Unprofessional? Yes. But I am an amateur.

Don't like my decision? Fine. Leave in protest. Go to the Azcentral site or the Cards official site to focus attention on your own superior opinions.

I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing except to care about the Cardinals.

Apologies to all for just not making the tough decision the first time. I started this web site because the Kerouacs of the world had ruined every other Cards web site.

Done. If we lose our fans and subsequently our press credentials, so be it. It costs me a bunch to do this and I hated to even show up on my own web site to read the crap Kerouac spewed.

I'm too old and beaten up to worry about what others think. From now on, I run this my way.
There will never again be a "ban" poll. I'll decide.

It is you board and you do what you want. You can throw who ever you want out. If you want to make it easy than you can put a poll up. Your decisions will be backed by the Cardinals fans who use this board.

But on the lighter side this is a good board. Very informative and fun.

Peace
Go Cards.

 

[SweetD]

Does this tread have enough to surpase the Best Chearleader Thread??? Can we bring that back please! Please! Please! I would gladly sacrafice Section 11 for that thread(baned at the stake).

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
hey Ken and Happy, take your off-topic Hitler crap to email, private message or the Everything else board.

This thread isn't about that.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike.........you rule!

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by earthsci
Mike.........you rule!

Comments like that will not get you a free DVD of "The Two Towers"!

Sorry...fat, off topic, drunk, and angry is no way to go through life...

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Personally - I just wanted to add a quick little note. People like NEM and Kerouac were banned - period - for good or bad. I really think it's in poor taste from here on out to bring up either again in a negative light or to slam them as they don't have the opportunity to respond. Just my two cents - the words NEM and Kerouac should be treated as profanities - not because they are bad words - I just think it's unfair and childish to rant on people who aren't given an opporutnity to defend themselves. He's gone now and I'm sure a lot of you are happy. Why not just leave it at that for both of them?

I agree if you want to talk trash or smack to someone due it so they can hear you or read it. To mention them beyond this thread is unnecessary and unwarranted and therefore should not be on this board. My opinion is if you want to talk smack man up and say it to their face or dont say anything at all.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Jersey Girl, I am going to take the liberty of giving my opinion of why Kerouac got banned.
I don't pretend to speak for Skkorp in any way shape or form.
I can only offer my observations.
Its no secret that Kerouac has been an irritant to Skkorp for quite some time now. Yet he continued to post in ways that did nothing to diminish that. I'm not saying he posted things just to piss Skkorp or others here off, but in particular in Skkorp's case, he just kept irritating him. Whether anyone else agrees with the substance of the disagreement is immaterial. As has been pointed out numerous times, this is Skkorp's site, to continue to antagonize him is very much less than ingenious, to say the least.
I think the straw that broke the camel's back was Kerouac's response to some comments Jim O. had made from watching rookie practice. Jim took offense to that, and said that because of it, he would no longer post his opinions. I don't blame Jim at all for that.
I would be willing to guess, that there were a lot of people, like me, whose heart fell, when we read Jim's comment. His posts here have been one of the real nice aspects of this site. To see his efforts put down and denigrated by someone like Kerouac, who by self admission was not even a whole-hearted Card fan, but more of an Atlanta Falcons fan was just too much.
Here was someone fairly new to the board here, who had established a history of negativity in all Card related matters....dampening the desire of someone who had invested their own time, and integrity to trying to make the site better for all real fans.

I totally agree with his banning for that reason alone, and the sheer stupidity of his actions.....don't raise an iota of sympathy from me. I don't think his banning was because of what his opinions specifically were.....in that sense.

i can't believe i'm gonna say this, but if all this is true, I AGREE WITH TANGO (ugh).