Arizona a potential suitor for Peterson and Murray

[az jam]

Totally agree. I'd rather fix our OL before than spend big money on a RB. I think you can find a solid RB in FA for much cheaper.

Also a very deep draft of good RBs.

 

[Iceman]

https://twitter.com/ESPN_FirstTake/status/572785114100457472

 

[jmt]

Let him go, but Gore would be nice. Jackson is always hurt and he's done anyway.

 

[Azlen]

Gore is too old and is about done. We would be lucky to get one semi-decent year out of him. You want young RB's that you can ride, not old broken down ones.

 

[JS22]

As a Cowboys fan (yeah i know) I'm a little worried about Murray. Last season was his first healthy season and they completely ran him into the ground. I think there's a good chance he falls off big-time next year. If Dallas brings him back I hope it's at a fair price and he shares the load more with another RB.

He looked like a totally different back after week 12 or so.

 

[CardsFan88]

There's a shot it wouldn't take much money.

The reports are Jerry offered Demarco about 4yr's 16 million.

4 million a year for a guy who just rushed for over 1800 yards and was the biggest difference maker bringing balance and allowing Romo to relax and not be like Romo of previous years?

I don't know what people are expecting DeMarco to get, but 5-6 million per year might get him, and imo that isn't that much.

With Ellington, he wouldn't have to carry nearly as many times as he did last year.

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fa...oys-offered-murray-16-million-over-four-years

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2...-im-thinking-about-winning-a-super-bowl.html/

 

[ARZCardinals]

Cards don't have the $ to sign either of these guys

 

[CardsFan88]

Also it's of note that no other rushing champ has ever switched teams the next season via FA.

So even Murray on the market is literally a different FA running back scenario then basically has ever been before.

Again, Cowboys offered 4yr/~16 million. We can easily afford Murray, IF we want to spend it on the RB position. Unless of course someone comes in with a 10-15 million a year offer, which is unlikely.

Remember, even if some team gives him say 6 million a year, the first year cap hit has a chance to be quite a bit lower than that.

We or someone else might get him for a 3-5 million cap hit this year.

 

[splitsecond]

If Demarco Murray can truly be had for $6m a year, YOU GO OUT AND YOU SIGN DEMARCO MURRAY.

 

[CardsFan88]

For perspective, guess what Jerrah just spent on re-signing Cole Beasley...

4 yr's 14 million.

He only reportedly offered ~2 million and change more for DeMarco over Beasley?

Wow. I can't describe that as anything other then complete insanity.

 

[Chopper0080]

Pass.

 

[Chopper0080]

For perspective, guess what Jerrah just spent on re-signing Cole Beasley...

4 yr's 14 million.

He only reportedly offered ~2 million and change more for DeMarco over Beasley?

Wow. I can't describe that as anything other then complete insanity.

RBs don't last, and certainly don't last after the workload Murray had last year for the Cowboys. All you are doing in buying the car after 150,000 miles. Pay for future production, not past production.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm out on both. Steven Jackson or Frank Gore or draft Todd Gurley are all better options IMO.

I'm with you here. Jackson or Gore wouldn't be the bell cows for this offense, but if they took all the non-Ellington snaps for the most part, this offense would be much improved.

I'm starting to turn towards the idea of drafting Gurley if availlable. I was actually looking at RB highlights this morning and the only RB that jumped out at me as a "can't miss" guy was Gurley. Obviously injuries are an issue with him, but if healthy I think he's going to be a beast in the NFL.

If I'm GM of the Cardinals, I'm either drafting a sure fire contributor at #24 or I'm going to draft the most impactful player at a position of need (RB, OLB, ILB, G). Not necessarily the best player possible, but the guy that will have the most impact on my team next year and Gurley will easily be the best player available at the end of round one.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This seems like a perfect place to say the Cards should have drafted Carlos Hyde last year .

A FA I like is Ryan Matthews. His problem is staying healthy but that will alleviated a bit in a time share with Ellington.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This seems like a perfect place to say the Cards should have drafted Carlos Hyde last year .

A FA I like is Ryan Matthews. His problem is staying healthy but that will alleviated a bit in a time share with Ellington.

I like Matthews too, but he seems to be hurt way too often for me to rely on him.

 

[Snakester]

I think either Murray or Adrian Peterson will be our big free agent signing. I like both and look forward to seeing either in Cardinal red

 

[Mitch]

I've never been sold on Murray. We need a tough guy who holds onto the rock.

 

[Snakester]

I've never been sold on Murray. We need a tough guy who holds onto the rock.

I think we go after the big name RB. We have done it in the past with Emmitt Smith and Edgerin James. If we don't sign one then we draft one.

 

[thephoenixson28]

http://t.co/kPAbH9r6WH

Not sure if you can see website. But it says Peterson will restructure contract to help with a trade if possible. What would you guys give up for him if he does?

 

[CardsFan88]

RBs don't last, and certainly don't last after the workload Murray had last year for the Cowboys. All you are doing in buying the car after 150,000 miles. Pay for future production, not past production.

I understand this thinking, I just think EVERYBODY (and when I say that I mean all over the media) is using this as the rationale, when it really doesn't make sense for Murray. It's like everyone is making the same mistake by assuming the same faulty rationale. A rationale that may or may not be true for older running backs... it depends on the running back, but also remember Murray is NOT an old running back. He may be 27, which is still three years away (already had his b-day this year) from the dreaded 30, but he ALSO entered the league at 24, and not 21-22.

On one hand ESPN and others have him as one of the top ranked guys, but everyone and the mother is saying...well let someone else pay for all those carries. Except where are those carries? It just isn't true with Murray.

I get the guys over 30 who have toted it 250-300 times a season for 8 years or so, but this guy toted it heavily for ONE season.

2014 392 1,845 4.7 13
2013 217 1,121 5.2 9
2012 161 663 4.1 4
2011 164 897 5.5 2

Another way to look is at his attempts per game
2014 24.5
2013 15.5
2012 16.1
2011 12.6

So in REALITY, as opposed to the talking head media, he really only carried the ball heavily for one season. Does everyone think he's used up from one season of that? ONE? Also here, since we have AE, I doubt he averages even 20 totes a game.

Also if you want to consider Emmitt Smith, by the end of year four he had toted the ball 1262 times to Murray's 934. Also from that point on Emmitt Smith averaged over 20 carries a game in four more seasons and had eight more 1,000 yard plus rushing seasons.

Some more perspective, when Emmit Smith had four years experience, it was after the 1993 season. Since Murray was older when he entered the league, age wise it would be like when Smith was about to enter the 1996 season.

So Murray doesn't have a lot of tread on the tires, at least in the NFL.

Now that we cleared this up, now let's juxtapose that faulty rationale and go by WHY the talking heads, in the past, would use this as a rationale...

Because running backs were some of the highest paid players. Ok. So don't sign a guy with a lot of tread to a huge contract. Not just a huge contract $$$ per yer, but with tons of years.

Well, these days 4-6-8 million a season for a stud running back is not breaking the bank. I think he signs somewhere in the 5-7 range per. So the faulty rationale does not apply here....

But guess what, the days of 6 and 7 year contracts for RB's is pretty much over. We know what Jerrah offered, and that was 4 years and 16.X million.

So a 4 year contract is most likely imo, with an outside chance at a 5 year.

Well a 4 year contract only puts him at 30 and a 5 year at 31. Couple that with the small money per, and it seriously is a completely different ball game. This isn't 12 per year for 7 years when the cap was at 90-110. This would be 5-7 for 4-5 when the cap is at 143. Completely different scenario.

Now AP is 30 (or will be very soon), and he's going to want more then Murray. There are also other guys hitting the market, Spiller just did. There are also some pretty good ones in the draft. So I'm fine with different approaches.

But what I do think, is that everyone is listening to bad advice, and someone is going to get a helluva talent at one helluva good price, and is going to make everyone else look like morons. Maybe it's better for us to go another route, so we can get some more help elsewhere, I understand that. But someone is going to get a helluva tough runner, who is still young, has tons of tread left, and at an unbelievably cheap price. I seriously wouldn't mind it being us.

Plus then we can always rub it in that Jerrah chose to pay a scrub 3rd-4th midget WR who had 500 something yards last year only a couple million less then he offered Murray.

 

[TJ]

I think when the dust settles, we end up with Darren McFadden for 1 year $1.5-$2 mil.

 

[Darkside]

I understand this thinking, I just think EVERYBODY (and when I say that I mean all over the media) is using this as the rationale, when it really doesn't make sense for Murray. It's like everyone is making the same mistake by assuming the same faulty rationale. A rationale that may or may not be true for older running backs... it depends on the running back, but also remember Murray is NOT an old running back. He may be 27, which is still three years away (already had his b-day this year) from the dreaded 30, but he ALSO entered the league at 24, and not 21-22.

On one hand ESPN and others have him as one of the top ranked guys, but everyone and the mother is saying...well let someone else pay for all those carries. Except where are those carries? It just isn't true with Murray.

I get the guys over 30 who have toted it 250-300 times a season for 8 years or so, but this guy toted it heavily for ONE season.

2014 392 1,845 4.7 13
2013 217 1,121 5.2 9
2012 161 663 4.1 4
2011 164 897 5.5 2

Another way to look is at his attempts per game
2014 24.5
2013 15.5
2012 16.1
2011 12.6

So in REALITY, as opposed to the talking head media, he really only carried the ball heavily for one season. Does everyone think he's used up from one season of that? ONE? Also here, since we have AE, I doubt he averages even 20 totes a game.

Also if you want to consider Emmitt Smith, by the end of year four he had toted the ball 1262 times to Murray's 934. Also from that point on Emmitt Smith averaged over 20 carries a game in four more seasons and had eight more 1,000 yard plus rushing seasons.

Some more perspective, when Emmit Smith had four years experience, it was after the 1993 season. Since Murray was older when he entered the league, age wise it would be like when Smith was about to enter the 1996 season.

So Murray doesn't have a lot of tread on the tires, at least in the NFL.

Now that we cleared this up, now let's juxtapose that faulty rationale and go by WHY the talking heads, in the past, would use this as a rationale...

Because running backs were some of the highest paid players. Ok. So don't sign a guy with a lot of tread to a huge contract. Not just a huge contract $$$ per yer, but with tons of years.

Well, these days 4-6-8 million a season for a stud running back is not breaking the bank. I think he signs somewhere in the 5-7 range per. So the faulty rationale does not apply here....

But guess what, the days of 6 and 7 year contracts for RB's is pretty much over. We know what Jerrah offered, and that was 4 years and 16.X million.

So a 4 year contract is most likely imo, with an outside chance at a 5 year.

Well a 4 year contract only puts him at 30 and a 5 year at 31. Couple that with the small money per, and it seriously is a completely different ball game. This isn't 12 per year for 7 years when the cap was at 90-110. This would be 5-7 for 4-5 when the cap is at 143. Completely different scenario.

Now AP is 30 (or will be very soon), and he's going to want more then Murray. There are also other guys hitting the market, Spiller just did. There are also some pretty good ones in the draft. So I'm fine with different approaches.

But what I do think, is that everyone is listening to bad advice, and someone is going to get a helluva talent at one helluva good price, and is going to make everyone else look like morons. Maybe it's better for us to go another route, so we can get some more help elsewhere, I understand that. But someone is going to get a helluva tough runner, who is still young, has tons of tread left, and at an unbelievably cheap price. I seriously wouldn't mind it being us.

Plus then we can always rub it in that Jerrah chose to pay a scrub 3rd-4th midget WR who had 500 something yards last year only a couple million less then he offered Murray.

Nice post.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I think when the dust settles, we end up with Darren McFadden for 1 year $1.5-$2 mil.

No thanks... He's finished and will be hurt by week 4.

 

[DVontel]

I think when the dust settles, we end up with Darren McFadden for 1 year $1.5-$2 mil.

I really hope not.

 

[sunsfan88]

I hope AP comes to SD, we haven't had an iconic RB like him since prime LT.