Arizona @ Arizona State 11/28

[PoolBoy]

Have you ever seen the douchebag students that attend the ASU football games? lmao.. They should be embarassed.. I watch college games all around the country and have never seen anything like that mess at SDS.. Frohawks, collars turned up and spiked hair.. Wow.. just wow.. Its like the midwest sent their kids to AZ to learn how to be class A *******..

you just described every douchebag frat guy at UofA i hope you realize. I was in the "Zona Zoo" for the game against UCLA and thats how 80% of that student section was dressed. All with ties on and junk....



Gee aside, it was a better game than most of us expected. It's a shame it had to end on a mistake like that, I would have liked to see the game go to OT cause college overtime is awesome. That being said I was nervous for OT and was hoping Kyle would have caught it and we could have scored in regulation because if it went to OT i think UofA would have won. Our red zone offense and kicker are iffy at best. Here's to another classic next year....

 

[TJ]

I like you TJ.. you are so brash about UofA, and you will defend them and those who support UofA unconditionally... I enjoy that most of the time and the fierce arguments that have ensued in the past...

But this post.. You are accussing the orginal poster of degrading others and not the argument, yet the entire point of the post is to attack in intelligence and the school he supports (and I am pretty sure you do not know him personally either)... Do you see the irony of this?

True but this is rivalry smack talk. No holds bar bro. I like you too and I respect your opinion. But Gee! is one of my friends and to degrade him about his education irritates me and I'm obligated to stick up for him. I'm sure you would do the same for one of your buddies.

I apologize if you think my post was harsh. Hindsight, I should have been a little less crass, but that does not mean that I'm not going to stick up for one of my friends. I'd do the same for you if someone was bagging on you ruthlessly.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

There is a question involved here?

In your initial post you asked "Why do I get the feeling...."

Sentences that start with "why" are questions. Geez Sun Devil fans, take a nap or something. This isn't your finest hour to be sure.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Its funny that Arizona fans would be proud of sqeaking out a win against a PATHETIC ASU team, that pretty much handed them the game in the final minutes. To even be talking trash about this pathetic performance by both teams is laughable! To each his own I guess have fun being the best of 2 sorry teams this year!

Now that is a pathetic post. Way to be a fan.

 

[Renz]

Its funny that Arizona fans would be proud of sqeaking out a win against a PATHETIC ASU team, that pretty much handed them the game in the final minutes. To even be talking trash about this pathetic performance by both teams is laughable! To each his own I guess have fun being the best of 2 sorry teams this year!

It was a rivalry game on the road. Any win is a big win.

Ask Clemson, Utah, Oklahoma State or Ole Miss if they'd have taken a 20-17 win Saturday. All those teams lost to "inferior" opponents.

 

[The Commish]

Better team won this year. As an ASU fan I was expecting to get blown out, but I'm glad that Sullivan got a chance to redeem himself.

All things considered, this was by far the worst season for ASU in a long time and in reality everything possible went wrong: 10 starters had season ending injuries, no QB, no O-line, terrible o-coordinator.

It already sounds like Olson and Smith will be fired (thank god). Our defense will still be a force next year. Sullivan will be gone, real competition at QB next year with Threet being eligible.

I'll let Euu of Ehh fans gloat - they had the better team. However they barely beat us given all of these circumstances so in that regard I still take some positives going forward.

In regards to the "Thugs" comments - I don't care, I just want to win games. There are always thugs on both sides of the ball at big programs.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Have you ever seen the douchebag students that attend the ASU football games? lmao.. They should be embarassed.. I watch college games all around the country and have never seen anything like that mess at SDS.. Frohawks, collars turned up and spiked hair.. Wow.. just wow.. Its like the midwest sent their kids to AZ to learn how to be class A *******..

Coming from someone who attended neither school, and has zero affiliation with U of A, your opinion on any of these matters is less than nothing. If you've spent time on either campuses, there are plenty of d-bags on both sides, but most of the general student population is essentially the same. Then again, since you have no connection to either school, you wouldn't know that.

 

[PoolBoy]

there was no thug's after the game. it was some cocky UofA players standing on our logo being smart ass pieces of $###, and some prideful ASU players protecting their stadium. yes i know, protect it during the game, but I was happy to see it.

 

[chickenhead]

Familiarity breeds contempt. My high school was split relatively evenly between grads going to ASU and Arizona (a bit more to ASU) and NAU in third place. I suppose Tucson and Phoenix have their differences but most people who go to the schools from out state do so for similar reasons, and people out of state view them so similarly as to constantly get confused about which is which.

I've heard that the rivalry has gotten a lot uglier than when I was growing up in the 80s (and it was ugly then), and partially because of a lot non-alumni who like to mix it up. Kind of like how you end up with a lot of USC fans on hand who didn't go there. I don't know, I've always paid more attention to the pro teams wherever I've lived when I wasn't an alum.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

The team that wins on the road in this hearted rivalry always celebrates on the field, usualy on the 50 yard line. Either way, punches being thrown after what happened in Boise is just inexcusable.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Honestly, what gives you the right to comment on someone else's academic prowess? As someone who associates them self with the Nation's worst school of "higher" learning, it gives you no credibility whatsoever when it comes to judging others education level.

Where do you get your facts?


Here are a few...
Reputation and ranking


University rankings

ARWU World[36] 93 ARWU North & Latin America[37] 56 GUR World[38] 57-58 THES World[39] NR USNWR National University[40] 121 USNWR Business[41] 29 USNWR Law[42] 55 USNWR Engineering[43] 45 USNWR Education[44] 24 Washington Monthly National University[45] 113 ASU is ranked 121st of 262 "national universities" by the 2010 US News and World Report ranking of US colleges and universities (58th among public universities); and, for the second year in a row, ASU was ranked as one of the top five "Up and Coming" universities in the US, for substantial improvements to academics and facilities.[46] In addition, ASU is ranked 93rd in the world by the Academic Ranking of World Universities, is included in the Fiske Guide to Colleges, and was named as one of "America's Best College Buys" by Forbes magazine.[47]
For its efforts to be a national leader in campus sustainability, ASU was named one of the top 20 "cool schools" by the Sierra Club,[48] was named to the "Green Honor Roll" by the Princeton Review,[49] and earned an "A-" grade on the 2010 College Sustainability Report Card.[50]
Ranked graduate programs include the following:

• The W. P. Carey School of Business MBA program was ranked 29th and the undergraduate business program ranked 25th. Many of the individual programs rank in the top 25 nationwide, including the 4th ranked program in Supply Chain Management and the 15th ranked program in Information Systems.
• The Mary Lou Fulton College of Education was ranked 24th in the nation in 2009.[51] Its program in counseling psychology was ranked 12th in the nation, and its Education Policy Studies doctoral program was ranked 15th. Six out of nine of the College's specialty programs were ranked in the top 20.[citation needed]
• The Ira A. Fulton School of Engineering, was ranked 41st and the graduate program ranked 47th. Many of the individual programs within the college rank in the top tier of over 300 nationwide programs, including five graduate programs ranked in the top 30 by U.S. News and World Report.[52]
• The Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law is ranked 55th out of 197 ABA-approved law schools by US News in 2009.[53] The Academic Educational Quality Rankings[54] identifies the college of law as having one of the top 30 law faculties in the nation "based on a standard 'objective' measure of scholarly impact"[55] and ranks the college of law as a top 40 law school based on overall academic reputation.
• The ASU School of Public Affairs Master of Public Administration program was ranked 26th overall in the nation (out of 250+ schools).[citation needed]
• The College of Design is reputedly rigorous and highly ranked.[56] The Interior Design program was ranked 2nd and the Architecture Master's Degree ranked 10th in the 2005 edition of "America's Best Architecture and Design Schools", published annually by DesignIntelligence.
• The School of Criminology and Criminal Justice is ranked #12 in the nation by US News & World Report.[57]
• The Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication is consistently ranked in the annual Top Ten Hearst Intercollegiate Journalism Competition, often called the "Pulitzers of college journalism."
• The Earth Science program in the School of Earth and Space Exploration was ranked 31st out of 105 programs.[58]
• The Ph.D. program in psychology was ranked #36 out of 240 graduate programs as of 2009.[59]

In addition, ASU maintains several programs that are ranked among the top ten nationally according to the Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index: Ecology & Evolution, Accountancy, Marketing, Curriculum & Instruction, Educational Leadership, Industrial Engineering, Interdisciplinary Studies, Speech & Hearing Science, Spanish, Physical Anthropology, Clinical Psychology, Counseling Psychology, Developmental Psychology, Educational Psychology, Justice Studies, Political Science, and Social Psychology.[60]

 

[TucsonDevil]

This is from US News & World Report... 2010

Rank 121 Arizona State University Tempe,

Rank 102 University of Arizona Tucson, AZ

Not much to crow about, IMO.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Not much to crow about, IMO.

They're roughly the same school except UofA has a significantly better reputation (deserved or not).

 

[Tyler]

They're roughly the same school except UofA has a significantly better reputation (deserved or not).

See Miles Simon as an example. Hes a genius!!!!!

 

[PoolBoy]

They're roughly the same school except UofA has a significantly better reputation (deserved or not).

true

 

[TJ]

Where do you get your facts?


Here are a few...
Reputation and ranking


University rankings

ARWU World[36] 93 ARWU North & Latin America[37] 56 GUR World[38] 57-58 THES World[39] NR USNWR National University[40] 121 USNWR Business[41] 29 USNWR Law[42] 55 USNWR Engineering[43] 45 USNWR Education[44] 24 Washington Monthly National University[45] 113 ASU is ranked 121st of 262 "national universities" by the 2010 US News and World Report ranking of US colleges and universities (58th among public universities); and, for the second year in a row, ASU was ranked as one of the top five "Up and Coming" universities in the US, for substantial improvements to academics and facilities.[46] In addition, ASU is ranked 93rd in the world by the Academic Ranking of World Universities, is included in the Fiske Guide to Colleges, and was named as one of "America's Best College Buys" by Forbes magazine.[47]
For its efforts to be a national leader in campus sustainability, ASU was named one of the top 20 "cool schools" by the Sierra Club,[48] was named to the "Green Honor Roll" by the Princeton Review,[49] and earned an "A-" grade on the 2010 College Sustainability Report Card.[50]
Ranked graduate programs include the following:

• The W. P. Carey School of Business MBA program was ranked 29th and the undergraduate business program ranked 25th. Many of the individual programs rank in the top 25 nationwide, including the 4th ranked program in Supply Chain Management and the 15th ranked program in Information Systems.
• The Mary Lou Fulton College of Education was ranked 24th in the nation in 2009.[51] Its program in counseling psychology was ranked 12th in the nation, and its Education Policy Studies doctoral program was ranked 15th. Six out of nine of the College's specialty programs were ranked in the top 20.[citation needed]
• The Ira A. Fulton School of Engineering, was ranked 41st and the graduate program ranked 47th. Many of the individual programs within the college rank in the top tier of over 300 nationwide programs, including five graduate programs ranked in the top 30 by U.S. News and World Report.[52]
• The Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law is ranked 55th out of 197 ABA-approved law schools by US News in 2009.[53] The Academic Educational Quality Rankings[54] identifies the college of law as having one of the top 30 law faculties in the nation "based on a standard 'objective' measure of scholarly impact"[55] and ranks the college of law as a top 40 law school based on overall academic reputation.
• The ASU School of Public Affairs Master of Public Administration program was ranked 26th overall in the nation (out of 250+ schools).[citation needed]
• The College of Design is reputedly rigorous and highly ranked.[56] The Interior Design program was ranked 2nd and the Architecture Master's Degree ranked 10th in the 2005 edition of "America's Best Architecture and Design Schools", published annually by DesignIntelligence.
• The School of Criminology and Criminal Justice is ranked #12 in the nation by US News & World Report.[57]
• The Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication is consistently ranked in the annual Top Ten Hearst Intercollegiate Journalism Competition, often called the "Pulitzers of college journalism."
• The Earth Science program in the School of Earth and Space Exploration was ranked 31st out of 105 programs.[58]
• The Ph.D. program in psychology was ranked #36 out of 240 graduate programs as of 2009.[59]

In addition, ASU maintains several programs that are ranked among the top ten nationally according to the Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index: Ecology & Evolution, Accountancy, Marketing, Curriculum & Instruction, Educational Leadership, Industrial Engineering, Interdisciplinary Studies, Speech & Hearing Science, Spanish, Physical Anthropology, Clinical Psychology, Counseling Psychology, Developmental Psychology, Educational Psychology, Justice Studies, Political Science, and Social Psychology.[60]

I hope all that fact finding helped you sleep better last night. The bottom line is that your school's negative stigma treads water. When I was an undergrad, which was not that long ago, the admissions standards between the two schools were light years apart. A 2.5 high school GPA is all you needed to get into ASU and a 3.0 was the absolute minimum for UofA. The following year, UofA raised it to 3.2. It certainly does not help your case that over 70,000 students are enrolled at ASU. It shows that any Tom, Dick or Harry can get acceptance. As a matter of fact, my wife and I know many people that were accepted to ASU but rejected from UofA and we have yet to meet anyone the other way around. But by all means, keep polishing that ****.

I'm not saying that UofA is going to excel Princeton anytime soon, but it is regarded as a "Public Ivy" which is a distinction that schools such as Michigan, UCLA, Cal, Washington, Connecticut, and William and Mary carry.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I hope all that fact finding helped you sleep better last night. The bottom line is that your school's negative stigma treads water. When I was an undergrad, which was not that long ago, the admissions standards between the two schools were light years apart. A 2.5 high school GPA is all you needed to get into ASU and a 3.0 was the absolute minimum for UofA. The following year, UofA raised it to 3.2. It certainly does not help your case that over 70,000 students are enrolled at ASU. It shows that any Tom, Dick or Harry can get acceptance. As a matter of fact, my wife and I know many people that were accepted to ASU but rejected from UofA and we have yet to meet anyone the other way around. But by all means, keep polishing that ****.

I'm not saying that UofA is going to excel Princeton anytime soon, but it is regarded as a "Public Ivy" which is a distinction that schools such as Michigan, UCLA, Cal, Washington, Connecticut, and William and Mary carry.

Some valid points... but if you chose UofA, then you would have to live in Tucson, sooo......


There is a gigantic difference from living in places like SoCal, Berkley, Seattle, Storrs, Williamsburg, and having to live in Tucson....

just saying....

 

[TJ]

Some valid points... but if you chose UofA, then you would have to live in Tucson, sooo......


There is a gigantic difference from living in places like SoCal, Berkley, Seattle, Storrs, Williamsburg, and having to live in Tucson....

just saying....

I cannot agree with you more. Tucson is a **** hole.

I remember I graduated on December 18th. On December 19th I was packed and already moved to Los Angeles.

 

[Nasser22]

TJ, I was in high school last year so I can tell you that the requirments to get into either school are the same or very similar. ASU does allow many students, which is proven by the fact that we are the largest university. This does mean that we have some idiots in the mix, many of which will drop out anyway within the first couple years.

However, we also have the most National Merit Scholars of any university. This includes the Ivy league schools. We have many, many intelligent students, fantastic faculty as the statistics prove, and some great programs. It's a university I'm proud to be a part of and thankful I can get the education for such a low price.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

TJ, I was in high school last year so I can tell you that the requirments to get into either school are the same or very similar. ASU does allow many students, which is proven by the fact that we are the largest university. This does mean that we have some idiots in the mix, many of which will drop out anyway within the first couple years.

However, we also have the most National Merit Scholars of any university. This includes the Ivy league schools. We have many, many intelligent students, fantastic faculty as the statistics prove, and some great programs. It's a university I'm proud to be a part of and thankful I can get the education for such a low price.

Excellent points, to claim academic superiority at either school is just ridiculous, they are essentially the same school. The design of a university like ASU is not exclusively for elite students and academics, nor is it for those lower on the scholastic totem pole. It's an all inclusive environment, where you can choose to dick around and be worthless or work hard and achieve. To focus on only one group or the other, or to claim that U of A is somehow superior in academics is pretty funny and shows a poor understanding of reality.

 

[The Grud Man]

I'm not saying that UofA is going to excel Princeton anytime soon, but it is regarded as a "Public Ivy" which is a distinction that schools such as Michigan, UCLA, Cal, Washington, Connecticut, and William and Mary carry.

Wow, some of you really are delusional. This is exactly why a lot of ASU people can't stand U of A people. You think you are going to/went to some elite "public ivy" that in actuality accepts 81% of their applicants and is ranked similarly to ASU by all of the major publications.

GET OVER YOURSELF!

The only thing worse than an elitist is someone who desires to be an elitist with nothing to back it up. Puke!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

UA is slightly superior in academics while ASU significantly inferior in reputation. Bitch as much as you want to about it, but ASU's party school image can negatively affect many undergraduates upon entering the real world (I kinow this from example as many people, myself included will be wary when interviewing a kid from California or Vegas that chooses to attend ASU for a normal degree just for th hell of it. I'd do the same for a Phoenix kid who chose San Diego State or UNLV). That and getting away from home for awhile were the biggest reasons I attended UofA.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm not saying that UofA is going to excel Princeton anytime soon, but it is regarded as a "Public Ivy" which is a distinction that schools such as Michigan, UCLA, Cal, Washington, Connecticut, and William and Mary carry.

You're not saying U of A is going to excel Princeton? I'd love to know how one "excels" another school...do you send them a bunch of copies of Microsoft Office? Case in point right there. (FYI, some friendly advice...if you're going to tout your academic superiority, make sure you know what the word excel means)


If you think people regard U of A as a superior academic institution like UCLA, Cal or Michigan, I don't even know what to tell you, you're beyond delusional. I'd love for you to find me a non-U of A alum with that opinion.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

UA is slightly superior in academics while ASU significantly inferior in reputation. Bitch as much as you want to about it, but ASU's party school image can negatively affect many undergraduates upon entering the real world (I kinow this from example as many people, myself included will be wary when interviewing a kid from California or Vegas that chooses to attend ASU for a normal degree just for th hell of it. I'd do the same for a Phoenix kid who chose San Diego State or UNLV). That and getting away from home for awhile were the biggest reasons I attended UofA.

I'd hope most interviewers are intelligent and reasonable enough not to let a stereotypical party reputation get in the way of their assessment of potential new hires. Hopefully they'd focus on silly things like, you know, academic achievement, non-scholastic accomplishments and how they perform in an interview setting.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'd hope most interviewers are intelligent and reasonable enough not to let a stereotypical party reputation get in the way of their assessment of potential new hires. Hopefully they'd focus on silly things like, you know, academic achievement, non-scholastic accomplishments and how they perform in an interview setting.

Granted, but resumes can be fudged and interviews can be BS'd. Kids who choose to spend 25k annually of their parents money or student loans on ASU when there's better or comparable options in their own state generally aren't good decision-makers. This only applies to out of state people though, I won't begrudge anyone choosing ASU that stays in-state.