Arizona Basketball 2016-2017 Season

[overseascardfan]

They got Wooten who's good but he's a bit smaller, more like a Jordan Bell but not right away. McCoy is not very good on offense but he's bigger and can rebound and block shots.

UNLV has been getting hype for awhile on him, Menzies can recruit and he's got friends on the team, but I think the general feeling is that recruitment went "askew" much like the Zimmerman one did. I thought he was going to Oregon and I'm sure they did too. Bigby Williams may not transfer now that was apparently the reason he was going to leave, thought McCoy was coming in.

McCoy to UNLV is good news to UA. He wasn't coming here so at least he goes out of conference. Hopefully Bowen picks Creighton so he doesn't end up at ORE either. I don't get why Benson is bolting ORE, he had a chance at playing an even bigger role next year.

 

[Russ Smith]

McCoy to UNLV is good news to UA. He wasn't coming here so at least he goes out of conference. Hopefully Bowen picks Creighton so he doesn't end up at ORE either. I don't get why Benson is bolting ORE, he had a chance at playing an even bigger role next year.

agreed good for the whole conference he'll play 1 year at UNLV and then go pro. Menzies is putting some talent there it'll be interesting to see if he can coach. He's always been considered a bigtime recruiter but there was always that innuendo about how he did it, now he's the head coach will be intriguing.

Sounds like Bowen is going to Creighton, the assistant they hired a few days ago played at Creighton and was an assistant at UNM recently but before that he coached La Lumiere, and apparently still has strong ties to the staff there now that coach Bowen.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Good for Kadeem. That's probably a wrap for Rawle.

 

[Lefty]

Cam Johnson and Chase Jeter will be on campus next weekend.

 

[TJ]

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Good for Kadeem. That's probably a wrap for Rawle.

Not necessarily. Scheer did an about face on Alkins's prospects of going pro. Would have to imagine that he has to ball out to be considered draftable


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[TJ]

Cam Johnson and Chase Jeter will be on campus next weekend.

Huge that Cam got out of UK w/o committing. Many thought that wasn't happening. Arizona getting the last visit, especially on a weekend, is a very good proposition.

 

[GatorAZ]

Cam Johnson and Chase Jeter will be on campus next weekend.

I hope Jeter wouldn't affect Bol Bol but we're looking thin at center in 2018 so you have to take him. UCLA is in the same boat.

A senior Comanche would be best case but he's a goner.

 

[Russ Smith]

I hope Jeter wouldn't affect Bol Bol but we're looking thin at center in 2018 so you have to take him. UCLA is in the same boat.

A senior Comanche would be best case but he's a goner.

UCLA has a couple of pieces in motion but the downside to Jeter of course is he can't play right away. Holiday stays in the draft UCLA desperately needs a guard, they need one now anyways even if Holiday comes back. I think they should take a guard now with the ride from Ike and then if Holiday goes take another guard if they can get one. I think if welsh leaves then you take Jeter and I'm guessing that's why they haven't gone after him harder.

Somewhat surprised UA is going after him now I'd heard UA wasn't really interested because they didn't want him sitting out next year tying up a ride when you already had to replace Ayton and Ristic and likely Comanche gone.

 

[GatorAZ]

UCLA has a couple of pieces in motion but the downside to Jeter of course is he can't play right away. Holiday stays in the draft UCLA desperately needs a guard, they need one now anyways even if Holiday comes back. I think they should take a guard now with the ride from Ike and then if Holiday goes take another guard if they can get one. I think if welsh leaves then you take Jeter and I'm guessing that's why they haven't gone after him harder.

Somewhat surprised UA is going after him now I'd heard UA wasn't really interested because they didn't want him sitting out next year tying up a ride when you already had to replace Ayton and Ristic and likely Comanche gone.

It's concerning that he took a step back after his freshman year. Not sure if he's soft or just too far from home but he's still a 19 year old with a 9'3" standing reach. Can't turn those guys away.

UCLA would be idiots to not go after him just b/c he's not eligible right away. They don't need frontcourt help with Welsh, Riley and Goloman. Welsh ain't leaving.

If Holliday leaves and one of Hands/Wilkes aren't superstars they're in trouble (by UCLA standards).

 

[Russ Smith]

It's concerning that he took a step back after his freshman year. Not sure if he's soft or just too far from home but he's still a 19 year old with a 9'3" standing reach. Can't turn those guys away.

UCLA would be idiots to not go after him just b/c he's not eligible right away. They don't need frontcourt help with Welsh, Riley and Goloman. Welsh ain't leaving.

If Holliday leaves and one of Hands/Wilkes aren't superstars they're in trouble (by UCLA standards).

Welsh got invited to the combine which is a bit surprising and usually a sign you're getting drafted. I think he stays.

I'm not a huge Jeter fan but I agree, 2 years and experienced has value. I never liked him much in HS beyond dunks and right shoulder jump hook he has no offense, but he's got value.

Alkins getting invited I wonder if the worm has turned again from he's going, to he's staying ,to he's going again?

 

[overseascardfan]

Off topic but ASU just landed KU transfer Carlton Bragg. Wasn't UA involved in his recruiting before he decided on KU?

 

[TJ]

Off topic but ASU just landed KU transfer Carlton Bragg. Wasn't UA involved in his recruiting before he decided on KU?

I think so, but the kid is a mess. Tempe is the last place someone with behavioral issues should go for a career revival

 

[GatorAZ]

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Guessing that means Rawle is gone and they're adding one of Bowen/Johnson.

Not sure who else... Jeter?

Still holding out hope for Bagley reclassifying and going to UA. At this time last year nobody expected Ayton to sign here.

 

[TJ]

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Guessing that means Rawle is gone and they're adding one of Bowen/Johnson.

Not sure who else... Jeter?

Still holding out hope for Bagley reclassifying and going to UA. At this time last year nobody expected Ayton to sign here.

As it stands:

PJC/Barcello
Trier/Smith
Randolph/Denny
Ayton/Lee/Pinder
Ristic

That's 10 scholarships. Miller has three available. I think Chance is not coming back and Rawle is 50/50. It's very hard to figure out who's coming. Bowen is expected to go to Creighton or DePaul, Duval is expected to go to Duke, Cam Johnson could easily sign with Kentucky, and Jeter would have to sit out a year.

 

[GatorAZ]

As it stands:

PJC/Barcello
Trier/Smith
Randolph/Denny
Ayton/Lee/Pinder
Ristic

That's 10 scholarships. Miller has three available. I think Chance is not coming back and Rawle is 50/50. It's very hard to figure out who's coming. Bowen is expected to go to Creighton or DePaul, Duval is expected to go to Duke, Cam Johnson could easily sign with Kentucky, and Jeter would have to sit out a year.

Why is Bowen waiting if he's down to DePaul/Creighton? They don't have guys testing the waters... Seems like he really wants AZ unless there's an open spot on the wing.

There's also a rumor Izzo already pulled their offer to him lol. . .

 

[Russ Smith]

Why is Bowen waiting if he's down to DePaul/Creighton? They don't have guys testing the waters... Seems like he really wants AZ unless there's an open spot on the wing.

There's also a rumor Izzo already pulled their offer to him lol. . .

Yeah been assuming the same thing if he was 100% sold on Creighton or DePaul he'd just go there, it sure looks like he's waiting on Alkins and Cam johnson to decide so he can either go to Arizona or not.

Jeter will be interesting because he has to sit a year, it's starting to look a bit like Welsh may stay in the draft and if he does UCLA would have 2 rides and presumably use 1 on a big. Since I don't see any eligible right away 5's to start they would probably make a push at Jeter just like it appears UA is now.

If I were an Arizona fan the good news would be you don't hear a thing about Ayton qualifying, this time last year it was pretty common to hear both Ferguson and Alkins are going to have a tough time qualifying, nobody seems to be saying that about Ayton. That implies to me they think he'll qualify easier than those 2?

Hurley has an interesting situation on paper other than not being the Nike flagship there's no reason Hurley can't do there what Altman is doing at Oregon. He can get transfers and JC's in easily with the admissions so if he can convince people to pick ASU he can get them in. So the key is getting enough good HS recruits to build the roster and get continuity. Altman is doing it but he's also a really good coach, we don't know enough yet to know if Hurley is. Bragg was pretty disappointing at KU but he does have talent and if he behaves he could be a good get but you always worry about a kid with that track record having to sit out a year.

 

[Russ Smith]

FYI in an SI article on Miller he told Seth Davis he's taking a long look at his sideline behavior and going to try and make some changes because he has decided essentially there's enough pressure on the kids as it is without the coach adding to it with his intense behavior. Tough to do it's in his personality but I think he does get what other people see, it appears his teams might play "tight" in the bigger games in the tournament and his temper might be playing a role in that so he's going to try and change.

 

[GatorAZ]

Yeah been assuming the same thing if he was 100% sold on Creighton or DePaul he'd just go there, it sure looks like he's waiting on Alkins and Cam johnson to decide so he can either go to Arizona or not.

Jeter will be interesting because he has to sit a year, it's starting to look a bit like Welsh may stay in the draft and if he does UCLA would have 2 rides and presumably use 1 on a big. Since I don't see any eligible right away 5's to start they would probably make a push at Jeter just like it appears UA is now.

If I were an Arizona fan the good news would be you don't hear a thing about Ayton qualifying, this time last year it was pretty common to hear both Ferguson and Alkins are going to have a tough time qualifying, nobody seems to be saying that about Ayton. That implies to me they think he'll qualify easier than those 2?

Hurley has an interesting situation on paper other than not being the Nike flagship there's no reason Hurley can't do there what Altman is doing at Oregon. He can get transfers and JC's in easily with the admissions so if he can convince people to pick ASU he can get them in. So the key is getting enough good HS recruits to build the roster and get continuity. Altman is doing it but he's also a really good coach, we don't know enough yet to know if Hurley is. Bragg was pretty disappointing at KU but he does have talent and if he behaves he could be a good get but you always worry about a kid with that track record having to sit out a year.

Ayton is good to go as far as qualifying. The only snag would be another league offering him to go overseas for one year which from my understanding his mother wouldn't allow. She wants to him in college and to be close to home.

I thought we had it rough with guys leaving but if Holiday and Welsh go pro that could be the death blow for Alford. Two out of three years not making the tourney? That happened to Miller but he was early on in the process of turning the program around and an Elite-8 was sandwiched in between.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ayton is good to go as far as qualifying. The only snag would be another league offering him to go overseas for one year which from my understanding his mother wouldn't allow. She wants to him in college and to be close to home.

I thought we had it rough with guys leaving but if Holiday and Welsh go pro that could be the death blow for Alford. Two out of three years not making the tourney? That happened to Miller but he was early on in the process of turning the program around and an Elite-8 was sandwiched in between.

Ayton was probably draft eligible this year but like Maker he had to declare for the draft to get a ruling and didn't, so I doubt he goes overseas. I'm just saying this time last year everyone knew Ferguson might not qualify and it was being heavily discussed, Ayton isn't so my guess is people think he's qualifying which is good for UA, part of the reason he wasn't heavier recruited is people didn't think he was playing in college due to academics. If that's untrue, lots of people missed out.

 

[GatorAZ]

Ayton was probably draft eligible this year but like Maker he had to declare for the draft to get a ruling and didn't, so I doubt he goes overseas. I'm just saying this time last year everyone knew Ferguson might

not qualify and it was being heavily discussed, Ayton isn't so my guess is people think he's qualifying which is good for UA, part of the reason he wasn't heavier recruited is people didn't think he was playing in college due to academics. If that's untrue, lots of people missed out.

Ayton wouldn't have been eligible. He's still 18 and doesn't turn 19 until after the draft. Maker is 17 months older and was 19 when drafted. Had Ayton reclassified last year and played CBB he'd make it

Pretty ridiculous that Bagley will be 20 when he's drafted unless he reclassifies.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ayton wouldn't have been eligible. He's still 18 and doesn't turn 19 until after the draft. Maker is 17 months older and was 19 when drafted. Had Ayton reclassified last year and played CBB he'd make it

Pretty ridiculous that Bagley will be 20 when he's drafted unless he reclassifies.

You only have to be 19 in the calendar year not when the draft was held.

I don't know if Ayton could prove he graduated the way Maker did. Makers case was bizarre, I'm going to 2015. Then I'm sticking with 2016 too much work to graduate in 2015. Then I'm turning pro and btw I graduated in 2015.

But the NBA cleared him.

 

[TJ]

Ayton is playing next season. Not sure why this keeps getting brought up.


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[Russ Smith]

Ayton is playing next season. Not sure why this keeps getting brought up.


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I'm actually agreeing with you I said if I were a UA fan I'd be very happy that there's absolutely no discussion right now of Ayton not qualifying.

When I said eligible I meant NBA draft eligible not NCAA eligible. Everything I've seen recently, which admittedly comes from Ayton, is that he's fully NCAA eligible.

 

[TJ]

Chance Jerrett


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[GatorAZ]

Apparently his parents are comfortable financially so there's less risk if he goes overseas and flames out. Whatever.

Sounds like there's a 95% chance Arizona gets either Cam Johnson or Bowen if Alkins stays in. I'd prefer Rawle slightly over Cam and Cam over Bowen. I might even prefer Akot reclassifying over Bowen b/c he's well built and plays defense. Either way depth shouldn't be a problem on the wing.