Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim cited for DUI on July 4

[Shane]

I want to know how he just got cited for DUI and not booked? WTF

 

[gimpy]

There are certainly certain jobs in America where getting a DUI can/will get you fired. Jobs where you have to have a driver's license for your job.

 

[Solar7]

I want to know how he just got cited for DUI and not booked? WTF

I thought it was said he got booked and released?

 

[Shane]

I thought it was said he got booked and released?

Headline says cited??? A citation is a summons in lieu of arrest??

 

[gimpy]

Did it say cited and released?

 

[Solar7]

Headline says cited??? A citation is a summons in lieu of arrest??

"Arizona Cardinals general manager Steve Keim was cited for a DUI on July 4. He was released that same night after being processed."

You definitely know this better than I do, that's just from the first line of the article.

 

[TJ]

Lively discussion, but I think we can agree on a few things:

1) This is a bad look. Keim made a dumb decision.

2) He’s not going to get fired, but will be fined and/or suspended along with whatever legal punishment he receives

3) He needs to be genuine in his remorse and cannot f*** up again. Guarantee Michael B. would can him immediately if it happens again.

 

[ARZCardinals]

AZ Republic stated between JULY 3rd & JULY 4th 2018 the police had 1,735 officers out and about hunting (my word not theirs) for DUI's.

Go look

So yea you are ASKING FOR A DUI on July 4th, New Years and St. Pat's.

 

[ARZCardinals]

How far was he from his house? What if he was within walking distance?

Majority of DUI's are within a few miles of where the infraction takes place....google it.

 

[elindholm]

When everyone is going to sit at the bar for three hours to watch the game, it's either I drink or don't go, because you can't just take up a barstool drinking diet soda when you're costing the bartender money.

Of course you can. Just tip him the amount you would have spent on beer.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If he was drunk, most of his draft picks now have an excuse... feeble as it might be.

 

[THESMEL]

I forgive him - he has remorse - will pay a harsher penalty than most. I think most get a 2nd chance under these circumstances - I did been - sober over 23 years - against others belief. My mom is approaching 40 years sober and a brother has 30 years sober this year- and one dead sister! Hopefully Steve has not crossed the alcoholic line - and it is is a simple correction. I understand the sticks and carrots and I support Steve and Floyd. If you want to see the appropriate intervention - read the chapter to employers in the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous -

Link
https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt10.pdf

 

[Jetstream Green]

There are certainly certain jobs in America where getting a DUI can/will get you fired. Jobs where you have to have a driver's license for your job.

My brother is a doctor at a major cancer institute. He told me that if he got a DUI, he would lose his job and I know as a college professor I would lose my job with a DUI because it affects the credibility of a institute... fair or not, those are the rules at some institutions and one can understand why and you can bet Michael is not happy right now

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Bullsh**** a DUI is a DUI POINT BLANK PERIOD!!

Where’s BIM telling the stories of friends getting killed because of drunk drivers? Usually first one to post. Now y’all are all quiet because he’s a GM? And a bad one at that. So much for DJ’s extension.

Was driving part of the day and enjoying a fair with my wife and friends the rest of the time. Did not have access to the site itself until just now - in a Motel 6 in Livingston, CA.

I did post about it on our ASFN facebook group and on my personal twitter.

It is completely ridiculous that people are bending over to excuse Keim of any wrongdoing. He has issued a statement basically admitting he drove drunk - "I truly regret my incredibly poor judgment and inexcusable actions..." Yet still there are people saying outrageous crap like "Maybe he accidentally inhaled some paint from some nearby house painters..." C'mon, already !! SMH.

The Cards' statement said "He fully understands the seriousness of the situation..." Uh, NO he does not or he never would have driven drunk. What a stupid statement. He's just sorry he got caught and he's likely done it before. One of the first twitter comments I read was from a couple who says they regularly see Keim out on the town throwing back drinks and this news did not surprise them one bit. If that is valid and he has a problem, I seriously hope he gets help before he hurts or kills himself or someone else.

Vacard - I don't care if he works as a janitor in the stadium, a ticket taker, a S.A.F.E. worker, a player, the GM, or any other role - what he did was idiotic and he should be punished severely, not a slap on the wrist in any way.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

It’s not a good look, but what’s firing going to do?

It would show that it truly is a serious issue and not just something to gloss over and move on from. The team used the words "unacceptable" and "inexcusable" in their statement, but then will accept and excuse the actions. Kind of nullifies their entire statement right there. "This is a very serious matter which we hope to sweep right under a rug. Move along." SMH.

I love BIM, but he greatly overreacts to these situations.

Sorry for taking a life and death matter so seriously. Not.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

How far was he from his house? What if he was within walking distance?

Then he should have walked.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Well, that's where it comes down to people's individual interpretations. To some, being above that .08 threshold is "drunk," no matter what. That's what my mom would certainly tell you.
To others, maybe more seasoned drinkers, we tend to look at it a little different. I look at it as sober, had a couple, buzzed, tipsy, drunk, browned-out, blacked-out, passed out. Maybe too many in my nomenclature, and anything past buzzed I'd consider a real issue for driving, but it's helpful for me to understand where someone is on the scale. Floyd was at the far end of my scale and I consider him reprehensible for what he did.

Law Enforcement has made it very clear with their many awareness programs and many slogans like "Buzzed Driving is Drunk Driving."

It is 2018 - there is NO excuse for drinking and driving. Plan ahead. Uber, Lyft, have a DD. You really have to be an idiot to get a DUI, or you just do not care about your life or those around you on the road.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Why? He made a mistake. He owned up to it. There will be repercussions to his actions which he will have to deal with. Then move on with his life. Making mistakes is part of being human. Its how we deal with them that determines what type of human we are.

A DUI is not simply a "mistake." It is a conscious decision to go out, drink, and then get behind the wheel.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

He should be fired immediately. Absolutely zero excuse for this or his constant partying.

He definitely has a reputation. Seeing a lot of comments like this regarding Keim.

 

[Solar7]

Law Enforcement has made it very clear with their many awareness programs and many slogans like "Buzzed Driving is Drunk Driving."

It is 2018 - there is NO excuse for drinking and driving. Plan ahead. Uber, Lyft, have a DD. You really have to be an idiot to get a DUI, or you just do not care about your life or those around you on the road.

Trust me, I've thrown "buzzed" into my own nomenclature basically because of that campaign. I consider it that point isn't time where you're not exhibiting any real signs of intoxication (slurred speech, readily apparent lack of motor function, etc.) but are not under the legal limit.

Like I said with Ouchie, sounds like you advocate a zero tolerance policy yourself. That's your right. I don't think you have to be a pure idiot to get a DUI though. The lack of consistency in what is okay and what isn't is pretty stunning when you look it up. That's just under the lens of "legal limit" though.

And that's my issue here, outside of defending Keim. If we're going to have a legal limit, the education on how to get there should be more prevalent. There should be breathalyzers in bars, an imposed limit on service without clear documentation of a ride home, something to step the game up, at least before we start demonizing the people that had that extra glass of wine as if they're Michael Floyd.

 

[Dback Jon]

I want to know how he just got cited for DUI and not booked? WTF

Happens a lot in Phoenix - especially when they have a busy night. Cite the driver, impound the car, make sure the driver has a sober way home, move on to find the next DUI

 

[Solar7]

I forgive him - he has remorse - will pay a harsher penalty than most. I think most get a 2nd chance under these circumstances - I did been - sober over 23 years - against others belief. My mom is approaching 40 years sober and a brother has 30 years sober this year- and one dead sister! Hopefully Steve has not crossed the alcoholic line - and it is is a simple correction. I understand the sticks and carrots and I support Steve and Floyd. If you want to see the appropriate intervention - read the chapter to employers in the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous -

Link
https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt10.pdf

A sincere congratulations on yours and your family's recovery, but AA isn't for everyone. I know I've tried it, and it didn't take, unfortunately.

 

[Solar7]

Of course you can. Just tip him the amount you would have spent on beer.

Gotta tip in advance then, and probably tip 200% on your bill.

 

[schutd]

Bullsh**** a DUI is a DUI POINT BLANK PERIOD!!

Where’s BIM telling the stories of friends getting killed because of drunk drivers? Usually first one to post. Now y’all are all quiet because he’s a GM? And a bad one at that. So much for DJ’s extension.

Must be SWEET to live life in all blacks and whites. Those shades of grey are for THINKERS! no time for them.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Steve will deal with the legal system , pay his fines and live with the scrutiny, and embarrassment of his actions. Hopefully this was a one off thing and he has learned his lesson and everyone can move on from it. But, its going to be interesting how he deals in the future with players putting themselves in that same situation?