Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I’m excited to see Rondale with more downfield routes.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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While I think Rondale can do some of those things I’m uncertain it’s in our best interest. He’s substantially smaller than Deebo (5’7/180 compared to 5’10/214) and has shown proclivities to injury (granted Deebo did earlier in career as well). Running him from behind the LOS will include some pounding. I’m much more interested in getting him downfield in space where his speed and suddenness can better break open a game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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That’s not so disguised code for “unless we draft someone, we are going with what we’ve got.”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Saw this at the gym… I wanna know who this guy is and what he’s smoking?

Tough to argue that pack hasn’t fallen with losing their two starting wrs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Add a mid round guy with size and speed and be done with it.

By “mid round guy” you’re talking about using draft picks (4th and 5th) round that we don’t possess.

 

[Shane]

Tough to argue that pack hasn’t fallen with losing their two starting wrs.

Oh no doubt but saying were the third best team in the NFC as it stands right now? With this off-season? No way we should be doing better than the Packers even with losing there’s wide receivers. I would have the Cowboys, Packers and 9ers ahead of us.

 

[DaHilg]

Where did you see that it was Kyler? I only read that they inquired about a young QB. Didn't see anywhere that it was Kyler.

A buddy sent me some press clipping from Indiana of it.. perhaps the clipping was insinuating at it as Watson seemed to make more sense as we know Texans immediately declined their inquiry based on being in same division

 

[Stout]

I’m excited to see Rondale with more downfield routes.

I'm hopeful, not expectant, that he can do a lot more. We need him to, pretty desperately at this point.

 

[kerouac9]

Ward doesn't really do much for me either. Right now, it's Conner and guys just hanging on. It seems like the Rams/Niners/Hawks have like 3 RB's that can all do damage.

Because they all have OLs that make their RBs replaceable/interchangeable.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Add a mid round guy with size and speed and be done with it.

By “mid round guy” you’re talking about using draft picks (4th and 5th) round that we don’t

Oh no doubt but saying were the third best team in the NFC as it stands right now? With this off-season? No way we should be doing better than the Packers even with losing there’s wide receivers. I would have the Cowboys, Packers and 9ers ahead of us.

Cards pack and cowboys have all taken steps back talentwise, but our biggest losses don’t match theirs (adams and Cooper) imo. And if niners truly go with lance at QB it will be a step back year for a step forward future imo.

I’m obviously not optimistic about our offseason, how we finished the season, kylers maturity or keim/kliff. But I try to be realistic about our competition too. They could be ahead of us still, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk with their losses either.

 

[football karma]

I’m obviously not optimistic about our offseason, how we finished the season, kylers maturity or keim/kliff. But I try to be realistic about our competition too. They could be ahead of us still, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk with their losses either.

this is where i'm at

unless Keim has some grand maneuver that he is going to spring on us....... this has been a lost opportunity

the NFC is thin. The Pack has lost a lot of talent. Dallas has lost talent. Even the Rams -- i thought Von Miller turned their defense from "ok" to really good -- and their D carried them the last 5 weeks of the regular season and won them two playoff games.

With a thin NFC, you just need to be playing well come playoff season.

this sure felt like the offseason to add another big piece to solve a problem ---

 

[Dayman]

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The spin is in full force already.

 

[TRW]

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The spin is in full force already.

Nope. If they go into the season banking on that it is a HUGE gamble. I don’t believe they will but KK was orgasmic with the Isabella pick so eek!

 

[DaHilg]

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The spin is in full force already.

Kliffy saying he replaces Moore.. I’d didn’t consider Kirk the #2 on the team. I consider AJ.. assume AJ will still be replaced by a first rounder at this point.

Also finally some media nationally making fun of Kliffys schemes in NFL Live today. I don’t value Marcus Spears opinion much but he def not a fan of kyler.

 

[TRW]

Kliffy saying he replaces Moore.. I’d didn’t consider Kirk the #2 on the team. I consider AJ.. assume AJ will still be replaced by a first rounder at this point.

Also finally some media nationally making fun of Kliffys schemes in NFL Live today. I don’t value Marcus Spears opinion much but he def not a fan of kyler.

He was actually tougher on Kliff. I think Orlofsky pointed out Kyler has only incrementally progresses. It seemed like they both were more critical of Kliff. Just my take.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He was actually tougher on Kliff. I think Orlofsky pointed out Kyler has only incrementally progresses. It seemed like they both were more critical of Kliff. Just my take.

Kliff hasn't proven anything when it counts - he was asked about the late season collapses and what they're doing to avoid the same show 3 years in a row - "they're working on it".

Sounds like more of the same from the 4th best coach in our division.

 

[kerouac9]

Nope. If they go into the season banking on that it is a HUGE gamble. I don’t believe they will but KK was orgasmic with the Isabella pick so eek!

Kliffy saying he replaces Moore.. I’d didn’t consider Kirk the #2 on the team. I consider AJ.. assume AJ will still be replaced by a first rounder at this point.

Also finally some media nationally making fun of Kliffys schemes in NFL Live today. I don’t value Marcus Spears opinion much but he def not a fan of kyler.

I guess it depends on what you're talking about. Here's what I think:

1) In 2020 and 2021, Christian Kirk was ABSOLUTELY the #2 receiving option in the Cards offense.
2) In 2022, based on current trends, I anticipate that Zach Ertz will be the #2 receiving option in the Cards offense.
3) In 2022, based on current trends, I expect the Cards to bring in a veteran outside receiver like A.J. Green to own the other WR spot. They may also use a high draft pick (first or second round) at this position to get long-term personnel and cost certainty at the position. I think that Keim was surprised at the money going around at WR this offseason.
4) In 2022, I expect Rondale Moore to be the primary slot receiver and compete to be the #3 passing option with the veteran or rookie in 3) above. I see no reason to think he can't do an adequate job in that role.

 

[TRW]

I guess it depends on what you're talking about. Here's what I think:

1) In 2020 and 2021, Christian Kirk was ABSOLUTELY the #2 receiving option in the Cards offense. Agree.
2) In 2022, based on current trends, I anticipate that Zach Ertz will be the #2 receiving option in the Cards offense. Hope not, but could be.
3) In 2022, based on current trends, I expect the Cards to bring in a veteran outside receiver like A.J. Green to own the other WR spot. They may also use a high draft pick (first or second round) at this position to get long-term personnel and cost certainty at the position. I think that Keim was surprised at the money going around at WR this offseason. Agree with most of this. Be prepared for Keim to go defense again in Round 1.
4) In 2022, I expect Rondale Moore to be the primary slot receiver and compete to be the #3 passing option with the veteran or rookie in 3) above. I see no reason to think he can't do an adequate job in that role. Agree with this. But, the question was could he be #2 and that is a big NO at this point.

 

[kerouac9]

@TRW -- If we end up going into the season with Antoine Wesley and a second-round rookie WR on the outside, there's no question in my mind that Rondale Moore would be the #2 WR option during the season.

I think that ends up happening if the top receiving options in the offense are DHop, Ertz, Conner, Moore.

 

[football karma]

@TRW -- If we end up going into the season with Antoine Wesley and a second-round rookie WR on the outside, there's no question in my mind that Rondale Moore would be the #2 WR option during the season.

I think that ends up happening if the top receiving options in the offense are DHop, Ertz, Conner, Moore.

i think this captures the Keim vision for the 2022 passing game.

on Moore--

acknowledging the risk of using such a high end comp, but here goes:

Tyreek Hill his rookie season had 593 yds on 61 receptions -- 9.7 per.

the next year: Hill goes 75 for 1,183 15+ per.

the Chiefs moved Hill all over the place -- i sure hope the Cards do the same

 

[kerouac9]

i think this captures the Keim vision for the 2022 passing game.

on Moore--

acknowledging the risk of using such a high end comp, but here goes:

Tyreek Hill his rookie season had 593 yds on 61 receptions -- 9.7 per.

the next year: Hill goes 75 for 1,183 15+ per.

the Chiefs moved Hill all over the place -- i sure hope the Cards do the same

Hill was actually second in targets as a rookie behind Kelce. Moore was T4th with DHop. Hill had one start his rookie season; Moore had seven.

It's really just an apples to oranges comparison. Moore was the 4th-most targeted WIDE RECEIVER on the team (Kirk, Green, and Hop had more or the same). Moore had fewer yards.

I think it's foolhardy to think "Well this season Kliff will totally use motion." There's a reason that he doesn't, and it's probably because of the quarterback.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I think it's foolhardy to think "Well this season Kliff will totally use motion." There's a reason that he doesn't, and it's probably because of the quarterback.

Agree

 

[football karma]

I think it's foolhardy to think "Well this season Kliff will totally use motion."

less about motion, more about moving Moore around in the formation and usage -- out side, inside, etc.

Last year Moore has a very specific role -- i think he can take on a more varied role.

 

[oaken1]

less about motion, more about moving Moore around in the formation and usage -- out side, inside, etc.

Last year Moore has a very specific role -- i think he can take on a more varied role.

Agree. Imo one of the biggest failures last season was not finding out if Moore can play outside.
We already knew kirk got beat by the boundary too much so he wasn't an option. But we needed to know about Moore so we knew if we needed an outside guy or a slot guy. I guess they just assumed he is a slot guy.
Either way they have to figure out how to get him the ball down field...his 1.2yd depth of target doesn't really help the team.

 

[kerouac9]

less about motion, more about moving Moore around in the formation and usage -- out side, inside, etc.

Last year Moore has a very specific role -- i think he can take on a more varied role.

Agree. Imo one of the biggest failures last season was not finding out if Moore can play outside.
We already knew kirk got beat by the boundary too much so he wasn't an option. But we needed to know about Moore so we knew if we needed an outside guy or a slot guy. I guess they just assumed he is a slot guy.
Either way they have to figure out how to get him the ball down field...his 1.2yd depth of target doesn't really help the team.

Yeah, I mean, we say this every year about DHop, also. Y'all can think what you like, but the coaching staff sees him daily in practices and have hundreds if not thousands of more reps on film. They know better than we do.