Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Uh, source? There's no damn way he would've given the team a "huge discount."

I think he means before the QB deals became inflated. He has new benchmarks now.

 

[Stout]

I think he means before the QB deals became inflated. He has new benchmarks now.

That makes some more sense. The kid's looking to get paid top dollar, and won't give any discounts. My opinion is that he thinks he should get the top contract in the league. Which is laughable, but also pure conjecture.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Uh, source? There's no damn way he would've given the team a "huge discount."

Ha, it was all over Cards news..

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray's agent pulls original contract proposal off the table, per report

According to NFL Media, contract talks between the Cardinals and Kyler Murray have gone nowhere, and the QB's agent has pulled his opening offer.

www.usatoday.com

As soon as all the other big QB deals were signed, Kyler's agent wisely pulled whatever was offered.

Watson's deal completely changed QB compensation. If the Cards plan was to sign him regardless this offseason, they really screwed themselves by waiting.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It’s the fully guaranteed that is scary. I know the Browns did it. But do we want to be the Browns

The amount can be high but I think no agent can look any GM in the eye and act like the fully guaranteed part is now the new norm, just because the Browns are a batshiat crazy organization

 

[Stout]

Ha, it was all over Cards news..

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray's agent pulls original contract proposal off the table, per report

According to NFL Media, contract talks between the Cardinals and Kyler Murray have gone nowhere, and the QB's agent has pulled his opening offer.

www.usatoday.com

As soon as all the other big QB deals were signed, Kyler's agent wisely pulled whatever was offered.

Watson's deal completely changed QB compensation. If the Cards plan was to sign him regardless this offseason, they really screwed themselves by waiting.

Right, nothing about offering a discount. He was always shooting for top dollar; this just raised what top dollar is.

 

[Chopper0080]

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The grades for Jalen and Budda should tell you all you need to know about PFF

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't really see the Cards have much of a choice. No team would.

In a few years this may look like a bargain when the cap shoots up.

If they were a better run franchise they absolutely would have a choice. You can say as a franchise that you need to see more and if that means you have to pay 50 to see it, then you pay 50 to see it.

Ultimately this is the question...are you willing to pay 46 mil or whatever that huge current asking price is if last year's Kyler Murray is the Kyler Murray you get for the entirety of the contract?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The grades for Jalen and Budda should tell you all you need to know about PFF

Ha, PFF loves Budda! Listed him as their #1 box safety. Budda - "He has three 80.0-plus PFF run-defense grades in his first five seasons"

PFF clearly thinks highly of Budda, but he had an average year at best, and was more notable for missing plays then making them as the year went on.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ha, PFF loves Budda! Listed him as their #1 box safety. Budda - "He has three 80.0-plus PFF run-defense grades in his first five seasons"

PFF clearly thinks highly of Budda, but he had an average year at best, and was more notable for missing plays then making them as the year went on.

Ranked 30th and 38th for safeties per that PFF clown.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ranked 30th and 38th for safeties per that PFF clown.

Apparently they have multiple writers, bc this one has him as the #1 in the box safety.

2022 NFL safety rankings and tiers

Kevin Byard of the Tennessee Titans tops the coverage free safety tier, while Derwin James of the Los Angeles Chargers leads the matchup slot tier.

www.pff.com

Look, Budda is a good player, but probably one of the more overrated by local fans in a long time. Last year was definitely not his best year - I think that's reflected in his 80+ rank in other seasons.

Thompson was the better player last year, and probably will be moving forward.

 

[DVontel]

I’m just happy we have both Budda & Jalen on our team.

Probably the only shining areas on defense

 

[Chopper0080]

I’m just happy we have both Budda & Jalen on our team.

Probably the only shining areas on defense

I like Murphy too. I don't think he is great, but I do believe he is a decent starting CB. Reminds me a bit of Jerraud Powers.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I like Murphy too. I don't think he is great, but I do believe he is a decent starting CB. Reminds me a bit of Jerraud Powers.

Will he get a Kirk like market resetting contract next offseason? His play really fell off as the year went on, picked on quite bit.

 

[Chopper0080]

Will he get a Kirk like market resetting contract next offseason? His play really fell off as the year went on, picked on quite bit.

His value on the market is probably around 12 - 14 mil just by looking at what other similar players have signed for. He should be re-signed but Keim likes to choose mystery boxes over retaining the teams players.

 

[BritCard]

If they were a better run franchise they absolutely would have a choice. You can say as a franchise that you need to see more and if that means you have to pay 50 to see it, then you pay 50 to see it.

Ultimately this is the question...are you willing to pay 46 mil or whatever that huge current asking price is if last year's Kyler Murray is the Kyler Murray you get for the entirety of the contract?

I just don't see any franchise doing that in reality. Sure, they COULD. But the negative side effects of that, the lack of trust and confidence it would sow the seeds for just isn't worth it. I don't think any franchise would do that for those reasons. When it comes to QB's you either have to crap or get off the pot.

And frankly I think if the Cards did do that this board would rage at it.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

His value on the market is probably around 12 - 14 mil just by looking at what other similar players have signed for. He should be re-signed but Keim likes to choose mystery boxes over retaining the teams players.

See Humphries, DJ. Just wild that obvious layups are being ignored.

 

[Chopper0080]

I just don't see any franchise doing that in reality. Sure, they COULD. But the negative side effects of that, the lack of trust and confidence it would sow the seeds for just isn't worth it. I don't think any franchise would do that for those reasons. When it comes to QB's you either have to crap or get off the pot.

And frankly I think if the Cards did do that this board would rage at it.

So many teams do this. Outside of Mahomes and Allen, this is actually the norm. And both of them showed a ton more than Kyler has shown. It is one thing that irritates me about his agent's negotiation. They are trying to shoehorn Kyler into the same category as Mahomes and Allen when he clearly isn't. The only side that an extension this offseason benefits is Kyler and his agent. Cardinals take on all of the risk which is why Kyler and his agent are pushing it so hard.

 

[Chopper0080]

See Humphries, DJ. Just wild that obvious layups are being ignored.

That is one.

I will raise you

Massie to DJ Humphries
Golden to Reddick
Reddick to ?
Dockett to Campbell
Campbell to Nkemdiche
Mathieu to Baker
Shipley to Cole
Peterson to Murphy
Kirk to Moore
Ertz to McBride
Chandler Jones to ?
Chase Edmonds to Eno Benjamin
Devondre Campbell to Isaiah Simmons

That is just the transition of players I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[kerouac9]

So many teams do this. Outside of Mahomes and Allen, this is actually the norm. And both of them showed a ton more than Kyler has shown. It is one thing that irritates me about his agent's negotiation. They are trying to shoehorn Kyler into the same category as Mahomes and Allen when he clearly isn't. The only side that an extension this offseason benefits is Kyler and his agent. Cardinals take on all of the risk which is why Kyler and his agent are pushing it so hard.

I dunno, seems like Carson Wentz and Jared Goff are pretty strong cases where they'd shown as many or more complications than Kyler has to-date.

 

[Chopper0080]

I dunno, seems like Carson Wentz and Jared Goff are pretty strong cases where they'd shown as many or more complications than Kyler has to-date.

I forget and my brain is done for the day. Did they get extensions the year before their option year as well?

 

[kerouac9]

I forget and my brain is done for the day. Did they get extensions the year before their option year as well?

It's kind of hard for me to read the "History" tab on Over the Cap, but it looks like Wentz was drafted in 2016, extended in 2019, and traded before the extension even kicked in (LOL). That extension was announced in the first week of June after three seasons.

Jared Goff was also drafted in 2016, extended in 2019, but the new deal had already kicked in when he was traded.

 

[Ronin]

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[Cheesebeef]

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lol. every one of these rankings are... unkind... to our beloathed Red-Birds.

 

[kerouac9]

lol. every one of these rankings are... unkind... to our beloathed Red-Birds.

Bird city on fire

 

[AZ Native]

Bird city on fire

It just comes back like the Phoenix.