Artest and Phoenix

[Bayless2Budinger]

Artest just requested a trade. Check ESPN.

Too lazy to post the link.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Artest hopes for trade from Kings, will act as own agent


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534

LAS VEGAS -- Sacramento Kings forward Ron Artest joined teammates Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and Shareef Abdur-Rahim as celebrity spectators for the Kings' first game in the NBA Summer League on the campus of UNLV.
But Artest isn't feeling like a King.

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In a series of e-mails he sent to ESPN.com late Saturday and early Sunday, Artest continued to lament his decision to pass on an opportunity to become a free agent July 1 by announcing that he is now representing himself without an agent and expressing hope that he will soon be traded to "a team out there that can be more committed than Sacramento to me."
That team is believed to be the Los Angeles Lakers. Almost from the minute they were routed by the Boston Celtics in Game 6 of the NBA Finals -- which Artest attended in Boston to root for friends Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom -- it has been strongly expected throughout the league that the Lakers would revisit their longstanding trade interest in Artest and eventually acquire the enigmatic forward sometime this summer to address the defense and toughness issues that the Celtics exposed.
But NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Sunday that the Lakers -- fond as they are of Artest and confident as they are that they can get the best out of him through Phil Jackson's coaching and Artest's respect for Bryant -- are reluctant to part with Odom in an Artest swap. That stance, if the Lakers hold firm, would almost certainly prompt Sacramento to look elsewhere for a trade partner.
The most consistent trade chatter involving Artest suggests that the Kings would want Odom in return for Artest and Kings forward Kenny Thomas.
Kings Owners Deny Rift

Sacramento Kings co-owner Joe Maloof acknowledged Sunday that the Kings are receiving trade inquiries for Ron Artest but disputed the claim that he and brother Gavin Maloof are avoiding the forward. "Ron has been terrific for us," Maloof told ESPN.com in a phone interview. "He's a wonderful talent. I'm sure he gets frustrated. His opinion is that maybe he should have opted out [of his contract]. But I think the best thing for him is to play out the contract and earn his next contract with a great year. He's got to stay mentally focused. "We love him. He's been great in our community, our fans like him and he works hard. I know he's just frustrated, but Gavin and I, we appreciate everything Ron has done for us. We don't have any problems with him. "We've always been accessible to our players, but we leave all the basketball decisions to [Kings president Geoff Petrie]. We don't like to interfere with Geoff. That's not our style." When asked if he expects Artest to be a King once training camp starts in October or to characterize Artest's future with the club, Maloof said: "I can't really answer that." But he dismiss an oft-cited theory that the Kings, because of their fierce on-court rivalry with the Lakers early in the decade, wouldn't make a trade with their divisional neighbors. "Absolutely not [true]," Maloof said. "We're rivals with the Lakers, but we respect them as an organization. If we can make a move that improves our situation, it doesn't matter who the other team is. "The Lakers do want him," Maloof continued. "But so do about six other teams." -- Marc Stein

Artest, for his part, is now openly pushing for a move, telling ESPN.com that he's suddenly feeling a chill from Kings co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof in the same desert where, just two summers ago in 2006, Joe Maloof proclaimed him to be the new "face of our franchise."
Questioning his future with Sacramento in an all-over-the-map manner, as only he can, Artest needed just a few sentences to put Kings coach Reggie Theus on par with Jackson, second-guess the Kings' decision to fire Rick Adelman in May 2006, speak of a hypothetical move to his hometown New York Knicks and describe the Lakers' Jackson as an ideal coach.
"It's weird because [the] Maloofs [were] high on me [after] the initial trade," Artest wrote, referring to the January 2006 deal that brought him from the Indiana Pacers to the Kings in exchange for Peja Stojakovic. "But during this opt-out time in my career I have not heard from them. That should have been a sign to me that my future in [Sacramento] is N/A or undetermined.
"In a way I wish this [coming 2008-09 season] would have been [Theus'] first year and [Adelman] would have left this summer, because it could have showed how much [of] a winner I am. Guys like Rick Adelman and Rick Carlisle [brought] that out of me. Isiah [Thomas] was going to bring that out of me if he didn't get fired [by the Knicks]. A coach like Phil Jackson can bring that out me."
"Reggie more than qualifies," Artest continued. "[But] as much as I have to prove I can win like a Rasheed [Wallace] or [Kevin] Garnett in the first year [with their] respective [new] teams, I can make an argument [that] firing Rick Adelman was not the best thing to do. It put me in a position where I had to start over. The good thing is, I should be in my prime at 32 years old, so I have time and, with faith in God, I can move ahead with progress to reach success."
On the first day of free agency, after seeing Elton Brand and Baron Davis unexpectedly put themselves on the free-agent market when it was widely assumed that they wouldn't opt out, Artest told ESPN.com that he immediately regretted his decision not to opt out of the final year of his contract to become an unrestricted agent. The 28-year-old instead elected to play out the final year of his contract with the Kings at $7.4 million, as he had vowed for weeks. But he apparently did so believing that the Kings would consider signing him to a contract extension this summer, even though there had been little indication from Sacramento management that it was preparing to make such an offer.
Artest emerged from a July 1 meeting with Kings president Geoff Petrie saying that he "made the biggest mistake by staying in my contract" after it was made clear to him that his long-term future lay elsewhere.
"I don't see myself with [the] Kings beyond 2008-09," Artest said then.
He lately apologized publicly in an e-mail to ESPN.com and The Sacramento Bee "for being mistakenly frustrated with the Kings" and called it "a mistake that I made," but the conciliatory tone didn't last long.
"After being around the Kings and letting the missed opportunity soak in, it makes me hungry to play good basketball this year," Artest wrote Sunday. "My agent at the time [Mark Stevens] did not pay attention to the last minute of the opt-out hour and David Falk and all these other agents pulled a fast one. They were so smart to opt out [at] the last minute.
"I hope I can go with a team who can commit to me on whatever the terms may be. Even in Indiana when they were worried about extending me, I still produced for them. I do believe [there is] a team out there that can be more committed than Sacramento to me. Now that I'm my own agent, I can get a better feel on how teams really view me because I can represent myself.
"When my agent at the time asked me not to opt out so the Kings can get something in return, I thought it was the right thing to do. I didn't want to leave them out there after all they did for me. But [by] doing that, I'm left out in the cold and still being experimented on like a lab rat. Wherever I'm at next year I can't wait to work.
"When Rick Adelman got fired and Bonzi [Wells] didn't get re-signed, that messed up my legacy as a King because we were headed in the right direction. Now it's like I have to re-identify what type of team play I can bring to a team.
"I was blinded by friendship. Even Mama Maloof [Colleen Maloof, Joe and Gavin's mother] told me she wanted me to stay. I never knew that meant one more year. I thought it meant several. When Mama [Maloof] talks, you listen, and it's a must you consider and take heed to what she is saying.
"I didn't know I would be on this roller-coaster ride. Even my coaches convinced me things will be OK. I guess they didn't know, either, that would mean a couple more years. I feel like I let my family down by not being a smarter businessman."
The Kings would undoubtedly counter that it's the team, like Artest's previous employers in Chicago and Indiana, who have been subjected to the roller-coaster ride by the rugged forward's unpredictable nature. Artest revitalized the Kings in his first half-season in town, powering Sacramento into the 2006 playoffs and a feisty first-round loss to the San Antonio Spurs that was more competitive than most experts predicted. But legal troubles and friction with then-coach Eric Musselman in 2006-07 were followed by Musselman's dismissal after just one season on the bench, with Artest revealing late in the season that he strongly contemplated retirement to spend more time with his family.
Artest missed the first seven games last season to serve a league suspension after a no-contest plea to infliction of injury on his wife. He went on to miss 18 more games through injury, but Sacramento weathered its myriad dramas and health issues -- as well as the midseason trade of Mike Bibby to Atlanta -- to exceed most preseason forecasts and post a 38-44 record under Theus. Artest wound up having one his best statistical seasons -- averaging 20.5 points, 5.8 rebounds and 3.5 assists in 57 games -- and has claimed often that the Kings would have been right there with the eight 50-win teams in the West if not for the injuries suffered by him, Bibby and Martin.
He has been actively working to address doubts about his reliability, which are most commonly associated with Artest's suspension for the remainder of the 2004-05 season for his role in the infamous Pistons-Pacers brawl in November 2004. Heavily involved with the NBA Players Association's humanitarian efforts in Africa and elsewhere abroad, Artest likewise signed on last season as a spokesman for PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) and has done volunteer television work in recent months for the Maloofs-owned Sacramento Monarchs of the WNBA.
Artest also unsuccessfully reached out to USA Basketball officials earlier this month in a bid to convince them to consider him as an 11th-hour candidate for this summer's China-bound Olympic team.
In spite of Artest's eccentricities and controversial past, most NBA executives agree that Artest will attract plenty of interest from contending teams between now and next February's trading deadline with his reputation as one of the league's top all-around players when focused ... and his very tradeable salary. Sacramento had serious Artest talks with the Denver Nuggets at the February trading deadline and Petrie's fellow GMs surely haven't forgotten the initial impact Artest had on the Kings when he arrived.
But even if the Lakers did budge from their current stance and consented to include Odom in a deal with the Kings, chances are nothing could happen before Friday at the earliest, as L.A. must first decide whether to match the Golden State Warriors' four-year, $17 million offer sheet to forward Ronny Turiaf. The Kings could also elect to take their time before consenting to move Artest in hopes of generating better trade offers as the summer progresses and other teams' free-agent options begin to dwindle.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What exactly is the definition of "negative" trade value?
A guy that nobody wants i would think.
Ron Artest is not that guy.
SUNS are likely not pursuing Artest(even if they had the mean$ to they prob wouldn't either) which is a shame. I would actually be glad just to know if KERR was even considering trying to get Artest in a SUNS uni.... because that would mean that
the approach to reaching the ultimate prize had changed in terms of philosophy on how to go about it.

Negative trade value means you can get him for cheaper than his production would warrant.

This can mean because their contract is terrible or because they absolutely destroy teams (ie Mr. Artest).

Artest could be had for Barbosa and some expiring deals.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

BTW, this article illustrates my point.

Artest is a better basketball player overall than Lamar Odom. He certainly fits the Lakers better than Odom does. Despite all that, the Lakers wouldn't give Odom up for Artest due to the risk he carries. A risk they perceive despite having one of his best buddies on the team and a "Zen Master" coach.

As pointed out with Shaq though, someone will panic and overpay for him. From Kerr's history it wouldn't surprise me to see something dumb like Diaw and Barbosa for Artest and another crippling contract.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Negative trade value means you can get him for cheaper than his production would warrant.

This can mean because their contract is terrible or because they absolutely destroy teams (ie Mr. Artest).

Artest could be had for Barbosa and some expiring deals.

Negative trade value means his worth is less than zero in trade. Meaning you have to trade picks or take a bad contract to get someone to take him off your hands.

Artest isnt there

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Negative trade value means his worth is less than zero in trade. Meaning you have to trade picks or take a bad contract to get someone to take him off your hands.

Artest isnt there

So I am asked to define the term "Negative Trade Value" and I do so. You are now going to argue with me about my clarification of my own phrase?

Allow me to be more succinct for the Captain Literals on the board. When I (meaning Chris Sanders) speak of negative trade value, I am speaking of their value in a trade versus their value on the court. If their value in a trade is significantly less than their value on the court, then they negatively impact the overall equation of the trade.

 

[elindholm]

Fair enough, but everyone else uses "negative trade value" in the sense that mojo and JCS laid out.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Fair enough, but everyone else uses "negative trade value" in the sense that mojo and JCS laid out.

And that is fine. If I need any clarification, I will ask.

 

[dodie53]

how about artest, garcia and a crippling contract for LB, tucker and diaw?

 

[pokerface]

So I am asked to define the term "Negative Trade Value" and I do so. You are now going to argue with me about my clarification of my own phrase?

Allow me to be more succinct for the Captain Literals on the board. When I (meaning Chris Sanders) speak of negative trade value, I am speaking of their value in a trade versus their value on the court. If their value in a trade is significantly less than their value on the court, then they negatively impact the overall equation of the trade.

Yeah I get it now...I (and others) overlooked in your first post the part about "Should the Kings trade him, they will have to take back less than his worth on the court." I think many of us couldn't get past "Negative Tarde Value" and thought like a "Penny Hardaway situation" about it. Thats a lot different than what you were saying.

 

[SirStefan32]

BTW, this article illustrates my point.

Artest is a better basketball player overall than Lamar Odom. He certainly fits the Lakers better than Odom does. Despite all that, the Lakers wouldn't give Odom up for Artest due to the risk he carries. A risk they perceive despite having one of his best buddies on the team and a "Zen Master" coach.

As pointed out with Shaq though, someone will panic and overpay for him. From Kerr's history it wouldn't surprise me to see something dumb like Diaw and Barbosa for Artest and another crippling contract.

What risk is he to the Suns? Many believe that window is already shut, others think it's closing rapidly. Where is the risk? What's the worst possible outcome? Artest is a beast. Outstanding defender, one of the toughest players in the league, doesn't run away from contact.

The way I see it- low risk, possible high rewards.
Few months ago I would have said "HELL NO!" but at this point, why the hell not? It doesn't work out- we don't win championship- most likely we wouldn't have won one with Diaw and without Artest.

I am not sure why Kings would do Diaw for Artest swap though.

 

[AceP]

I'd remind u that Kerr did have 3 seasons playing alongside Dennis Rodman, while Porter spent last 2 years help Sanders coaching Rasheed Wallace. If they decided to take Artest, I'd like to give them support.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's up for them to decide. We have a player very tough to trade. How much trade value Boris Diaw has? How many teams in the league have serious interested on him? I think trade Artest is easier for the Kings, especially while Ron has only 1 year left under contract.

 

[Joe Mama]

If the Phoenix Suns really did express interest in Ron Artest it would sure be interesting to see what they offered, if the talks even got that far. My guess is that it would take something like Barbosa + Boris Diaw -> Ron Artest + Kenny Thomas to get him. That would make me puke, and I have my doubts about whether Sacramento would even go for that.

If there was some way to steal him for Boris Diaw and junk I would say that's another high risk/high reward move that would have to be made. Of course if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. There just isn't a snowball's chance in hell Sacramento will take a trade like that. Barbosa + junk (I don't know what junk would be since we have no draft picks to speak of) wouldn't get it done either.

My guess is that if there was any interest from the Phoenix Suns, Petrie laughed and hung up the telephone when he saw what we had to offer.

Btw, Amare Stoudemire + Ron Artest = nitroglycerin.

Joe

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'd remind u that Kerr did have 3 seasons playing alongside Dennis Rodman, while Porter spent last 2 years help Sanders coaching Rasheed Wallace. If they decided to take Artest, I'd like to give them support.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's up for them to decide. We have a player very tough to trade. How much trade value Boris Diaw has? How many teams in the league have serious interested on him? I think trade Artest is easier for the Kings, especially while Ron has only 1 year left under contract.

Judging from what other bigs--with much less talent than Boris--are getting as FA's this offseason, his salary is not really out of line. A Boris for Artest trade makes alot of sense to me. The dollars are equal, and Ron keeps lowering his own trade value every time he opens his mouth.

 

[pokerface]

Judging from what other bigs--with much less talent than Boris--are getting as FA's this offseason, his salary is not really out of line. A Boris for Artest trade makes alot of sense to me. The dollars are equal, and Ron keeps lowering his own trade value every time he opens his mouth.

Yeah Boris is all talent and no passion. There arn't going to be many takers on four more years of his lousy contract. He does fill multiple positions though....jack of all trades master of none.

 

[mojorizen7]

Belong's in trade forum but.....
Artest/Quincy Douby/Abdur-Raheem for Diaw/Barbosa?

Artest could be enough to take one last shot at the title.(1 yr left)
Douby could possibly be the backup PG(one yr left at $1.4 mill)
Abdur-Raheem is terrible but w/2 yrs left at $6.2 mill he's a slightly better option than Kenny Thomas w/2 yrs at $8.5 mill.
This works on the machine as well as Artest/K. Thomas for Diaw/Barbosa but i'd like to try to bring in an extra piece(Why don't we have a backup PG yet?!) Sheesh.
High risk....high reward? Nah.

Sac Town is looking for the best deal possible and will prob be willing to wait for it unfortunately. Diaw isn't enough IMO.

 

[Rekindled]

Belong's in trade forum but.....
Artest/Quincy Douby/Abdur-Raheem for Diaw/Barbosa?

Artest could be enough to take one last shot at the title.(1 yr left)
Douby could possibly be the backup PG(one yr left at $1.4 mill)
Abdur-Raheem is terrible but w/2 yrs left at $6.2 mill he's a slightly better option than Kenny Thomas w/2 yrs at $8.5 mill.
This works on the machine as well as Artest/K. Thomas for Diaw/Barbosa but i'd like to try to bring in an extra piece(Why don't we have a backup PG yet?!) Sheesh.
High risk....high reward? Nah.

Sac Town is looking for the best deal possible and will prob be willing to wait for it unfortunately. Diaw isn't enough IMO.

So you basicly trading diaw and barb for artest because the rest are garbage. It's not worth it .

 

[AceP]

Well, I very much doubt if the Kings would take Diaw even in a very desperate situation. Don't forget Artest only has 1 year under contract, while Diaw has 4. Unless their coach regard Diaw as a useful player in their system. We'll have to wait to see.

To be honest, I really think we'll eventually unload Diaw b4 the summer is over. We just have to wait to see.

 

[Irish]

There are several issues involved in any kind of trade. One that is not being discussed is that Artest is on the last year of his contract. In a straight deal of Diaw for Artest, this could count as a salary dump. But most people feel Barbosa has a good contract and losing him in a salary dump would be a mistake. Getting back one of the ugly contracts from the Kings would kill even the salary dump aspect of the deal.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well, I very much doubt if the Kings would take Diaw even in a very desperate situation. Don't forget Artest only has 1 year under contract, while Diaw has 4. Unless their coach regard Diaw as a useful player in their system. We'll have to wait to see.

To be honest, I really think we'll eventually unload Diaw b4 the summer is over. We just have to wait to see.

Yeah, they want to clear cap space, so they can go into the FA market and overpay someone else--and it will probably be a contract just as undesirable as Diaw's.

 

[AceP]

According to recently news, Artest situation remain very interesting. The Maloofs r really having trouble to find a taker at this particular moment. Every team feels it is a tough decision to make whether or not to gamble their next season on Ron. A lot of enquiries, but no serious offer.

I bet the Maloofs won't just dump Artest, this guy is still a formidable player, they definitely can get something out of the trade. We just don't have anything that interest them, don't count on our chance.

For Diaw I still believe he'll end up in New York, as soon as they unload Randolph.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Does a trade exception renew for another year once it is traded? That could be valuable for Sac

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=849~2167&teams=21~23&te=25:21-846&cash=

Tie sarver up and force him to take on Kenny Thomas' contract for his blunder of a deal with KT last year. One KT deserves another!

Technically, Kenny's contract will be cheaper than Diaw's, even considering the Tax, and it's over a year earlier, giving us more cap room for 2010.

We would be paying 10 mil in taxes this upcoming season though...

 

[AceP]

Come on, r u really counting on Sarvar to pay 10M luxury tax? NO! Not even for a better player than Artest. If money is not the problem, we could have offered James Posey full MLE.

Beside veteran minimal, which has been offered to Lue. The only chance for us to improve our roster depends on how we deal with Diaw, and maybe Barbosa.

 

[Irish]

Come on, r u really counting on Sarvar to pay 10M luxury tax? NO! Not even for a better player than Artest. If money is not the problem, we could have offered James Posey full MLE.

Beside veteran minimal, which has been offered to Lue. The only chance for us to improve our roster depends on how we deal with Diaw, and maybe Barbosa.

What makes people think such trades would help this team? Every report says that teams are extremely reluctant to take on contracts that go beyond 2010. Diaw's reputation is such that right now all that is being offered is junk and it does not look like they can get full value for Leandro. So what makes anyone think they can be traded to HELP THE TEAM.

 

[scXfreakX]

Does a trade exception renew for another year once it is traded? That could be valuable for Sac

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=849~2167&teams=21~23&te=25:21-846&cash=

Tie sarver up and force him to take on Kenny Thomas' contract for his blunder of a deal with KT last year. One KT deserves another!

Technically, Kenny's contract will be cheaper than Diaw's, even considering the Tax, and it's over a year earlier, giving us more cap room for 2010.

We would be paying 10 mil in taxes this upcoming season though...

I'm not sure, but I think I heard that its only good for a certain amount of trades or something like that. I don't think it renews, but I'm not 100% sure.