Artest demands trade

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JCSunsfan said:
After the historic three-peat, the Bulls moved into rebuilding mode and traded Longley to the Phoenix Suns for Mark Bryant, Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells and a conditional first-round draft pick on January 23, 1999.

This is correct, King A. Maybe you are thinking of the pick that we got for Luc as part of the trade that sent him to the Knicks.

1/23/99 was before the lockout season started.
we traded for luc and gave them a pick and that pick turned out to be ron artest. or am i thinking wrong? the pick we got through trading luc to the knicks (our dumpster ;) ) may have gotten to the magic.
 

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King A said:
1/23/99 was before the lockout season started.
we traded for luc and gave them a pick and that pick turned out to be ron artest. or am i thinking wrong? the pick we got through trading luc to the knicks (our dumpster ;) ) may have gotten to the magic.
I KNOW the Longley trade because I STILL think it's the best screwing we've given another team in a trade. We trade Longley for a center who played better than Longley did with less time on his contract, we got a draft pick, AND we got cash in the deal, too! :thumbup: Longley never amounted to more than damaged goods for the Knicks and subsequently retired to sunny Australia. We actually got a servicable center, a pick, and money, too! I still don't know how the Knicks scouting department didn't collectivly get fired over that one!

That was when Longley was doing his get 2-3 fouls in 2-3 minutes of the opening tip and half, and then sit the whole rest of the time. At the time I wondered what an idiot he was. Now I see he was a genius for hiding his physical inability behind the guise of inept play! :)
 

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hcsilla said:
My bad, that's correct.

awright, just confused me a little.
sorry if anyone felt offended.

i didn't know that artest makes so little money. but to get back to the topic: no thanks
 

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When Marion came into the leauge, didn't he have a problem with longer shots past 15 feet or so?

I don't remember. Maybe his first year or two. But I can definitely remember that, for years, people on this board have been talking about how reliable Marion is from 15 feet. Personally, I've never seen it.

Would you make the a trade for Artest?

What's the offer? If it's Bell, Barbosa, and the lesser of the two Atlanta picks, I probably would, but my guess is that Indiana will get more from someone else.

It will amuse most of this board that part of the reason I'd feel comfortable making the trade is that House is looking decent in his backup PG role (even though he couldn't throw it in the ocean last night).

Right now, the Suns have only two players who are capable of creating their own shot: Stoudemire and, yes, House. Artest would add another dynamic offensive weapon who would open things up for everyone, especially Marion, who has looked lost the last two games.

I'm not blind to the risks that Artest would bring. But the potential rewards are too great to pass up, if the Suns wouldn't have to make major sacrifices. I like Bell, but he is replaceable; and the Suns haven't drafted a keeper with a mid-first pick in at least 15 years, so I'm not that attached to the pick. So that leaves Barbosa, and while it would be a shame to give him up right as he's starting to look really good, generally you have to give up quality to get quality.

And it's possible -- how likely is open to debate -- that Artest would behave himself just fine. Everyone predicted disaster when Rasheed Wallace went to Detroit, but all he's done is energize the whole team and get them to the Finals two years in a row. (For that matter, Barkley's reputation was pretty poor in the season before he was traded to the Suns.) Fiery competitors want to win more than anything else, and Artest is smart enough to know that he can't win on a team where he's the only star, or even the brightest one.
 

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Pacers to try to trade Artest

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2256741

INDIANAPOLIS -- Ron Artest wants to be traded, and Indiana Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said Monday he'll try to do that.

Artest said in interviews with various media over the weekend that he wants to be traded, that his past haunts him in Indianapolis and that the team would be better off without him.

Walsh said he didn't like Artest speaking to the media first, but would try to trade him. Walsh said Artest's desire to move on wasn't the only factor in the team's decision.

"This is kind of the last straw of a lot of issues, and it's at the point where we should look for a trade," Walsh said.

He said Artest remains on the roster but is inactive with pay for the rest of the week.

Artest missed 73 games and all the playoffs last season after his suspension by the NBA for triggering the brawl with fans in Detroit.

Artest, who leads the league in steals and is the Pacers' second-leading scorer at 19.4 points a game, has missed the past two games with a sore right wrist. He was not available for comment at Monday's practice.

Indiana is 12-7 and has the second-best record in the Eastern Conference.

"We have a good roster with good players on the roster," Walsh said. "I think they'll appreciate not having this in the middle of their season."
 

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elindholm said:
I'm not blind to the risks that Artest would bring. But the potential rewards are too great to pass up, if the Suns wouldn't have to make major sacrifices. I like Bell, but he is replaceable; and the Suns haven't drafted a keeper with a mid-first pick in at least 15 years, so I'm not that attached to the pick. So that leaves Barbosa, and while it would be a shame to give him up right as he's starting to look really good, generally you have to give up quality to get quality.

I agree. Sarver would get reamed for the trade until the results came on the court:)
 

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elindholm said:
Right now, the Suns have only two players who are capable of creating their own shot: Stoudemire and, yes, House.

Maybe you havent heard of this young fellow named Steve Nash, I see him driving to the lane all the time and creating for himself.
 

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Mmmm, I think the chance of Artest coming to Suns is close to zero.


We are doing WELL without Amare. We don't know what's going to happen when we trade for Artest. And who can we use to trade for Artest?? Barbosa just got injured. Bell is good but he is not worth Artest. Marion??
 

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Maybe you havent heard of this young fellow named Steve Nash, I see him driving to the lane all the time and creating for himself.

With the benefit of a pick from a big man. He rarely tries a true one-on-one move.
 

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elindholm said:
I'm not blind to the risks that Artest would bring. But the potential rewards are too great to pass up, if the Suns wouldn't have to make major sacrifices. I like Bell, but he is replaceable; and the Suns haven't drafted a keeper with a mid-first pick in at least 15 years, so I'm not that attached to the pick. So that leaves Barbosa, and while it would be a shame to give him up right as he's starting to look really good, generally you have to give up quality to get quality.

oh so the pick of nash at 15 wouldnt have been a keeper? it wasnt a lottery pick. it was a simple mid-first pick.
 

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scotsman13 said:
oh so the pick of nash at 15 wouldnt have been a keeper? it wasnt a lottery pick. it was a simple mid-first pick.

Perhaps it should be restated then as Nash was a pretty decent pick.
 

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oh so the pick of nash at 15 wouldnt have been a keeper? it wasnt a lottery pick. it was a simple mid-first pick.

Yes, I forgot about Nash, my mistake.

Truth be told, I thought he'd been in the league more than 15 years. :p

I should have said the last 10 years instead.
 
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King A said:
1/23/99 was before the lockout season started.
we traded for luc and gave them a pick and that pick turned out to be ron artest. or am i thinking wrong? the pick we got through trading luc to the knicks (our dumpster ;) ) may have gotten to the magic.

Sorry, my post should have been addressed to Hcsilla. I'm glad we've got this all figured out now.
 

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jibikao said:
Mmmm, I think the chance of Artest coming to Suns is close to zero.


We are doing WELL without Amare. We don't know what's going to happen when we trade for Artest. And who can we use to trade for Artest?? Barbosa just got injured. Bell is good but he is not worth Artest. Marion??

Here you go! ;)

Marion for Artest and Gazuric in three way with the Bucks! When Amare comes back, our lineup would be:

KT/Amare/Artest/Bell/Nash
with Gazuric/Diaw/Barbosa/JJ/JJ/House/Burke on bench. We will win it all! :thumbup:

BTW, Artest was taken 13th with the Suns pick in the Longley trade if my memory serves me right.
 
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