Article-Charlotte Could Play a Role in Landing Kobe

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A little surprise nobody has posted this article yet since we've been talking about this stuff for the last week. :)



http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/0112suns0112.html

Charlotte again could play role in landing Kobe

Bob Young
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 12, 2004 12:00 AM


The road to Kobe Bryant always seems to go through Charlotte.

The Los Angeles Lakers were able to land Bryant as a rookie in 1996 by dealing Vlade Divac to the Charlotte Hornets for his draft rights.

And if the Suns truly have desire to go after the embattled NBA superstar - or other top-level free agents - this summer, their best bet may be dealing with the league's newest franchise - the expansion Charlotte Bobcats.

After trading Stephon Marbury and Penny Hardaway to the New York Knicks, the Suns could get as much as $7 million below the projected salary cap of $45 million this summer.

That's assuming they keep both of their first-round draft picks, which could be in the lottery.

To sign a player such as Bryant, the team would have to clear another $7 million or so.

So how do the Bobcats fit in?

The expansion draft.

Each NBA team can protect eight players from the Bobcats in the June expansion draft.

The Suns have 14 players on their roster. Four, Scott Williams, Antonio McDyess, Donnell Harvey and Tom Gugliotta, are unrestricted free agents. Those players are assigned to a separate "pool" and cannot be selected by Charlotte.

With eight of the remaining 10 protected, the Bobcats will have two Phoenix players they could select.

Ed Tapscott, Charlotte executive vice president, has made it clear that his strategy will be to build with young, inexpensive players - not take on high-priced castoffs.

Of course, it's the pricey players who are likely to be left unprotected.

The Suns, for instance, are likely to protect the youngest players on their roster.

Their long-term plan is to add to the nucleus that is now made up of Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Leandro Barbosa, Joe Johnson, Casey Jacobsen, Zarko Cabarkapa, Jake Voskuhl and Maciej Lampe.

"That's the key," coach Mike D'Antoni said. "We like our core of players, and we're going to develop them. I just hope the fans have a little patience and understand what we're trying to do."

Based on the numbers, the two players likely to be exposed by the Suns in the expansion process are guard Howard Eisley and center Jahidi White.

Eisley, 31, will have three years remaining on his contract after this season. The final year is not guaranteed. He will earn $6.375 million next season and $6.906 million the following season.

White, who will be 28 next month, has only one year left on his deal at $5.884 million.

The Bobcats, following their stated strategy, probably would not take either player.

Here's the catch:

They can be bribed.

It's all perfectly legal and above board.

NBA rules allow teams to offer draft picks and up to $3 million in cash to Charlotte as an incentive to select their player in the expansion draft. Thus, the Suns could offer one of their first-round picks and the cash to the Bobcats to take a player such as Eisley or White off their salary cap.

That number, combined with the money saved on a first-round pick, would put the Suns close to that maximum number needed to shop for free agents.

What's more, it could fit in Charlotte's long-term plan, which is to free up free-agent money for 2006. That's the first season the Bobcats will be allowed to have a full salary cap.

Of course, other teams will be lining up to make offers to the Bobcats this summer, too.

Charlotte is only allowed two-thirds of what other teams get in salary-cap space next season, but the team is allowed to waive players taken in the expansion draft and erase them from their cap.

"I would like to think we'll get some calls on this," Tapscott told the Charlotte Observer earlier this season. "To clean up somebody else's cap, what price could we extract?"

NBA rules don't allow teams to comment on free agents, and Suns President Bryan Colangelo would speak only in general terms about the expansion process.

The team could use it to its advantage, but D'Antoni cautions there are no quick fixes and that the club's priority will continue to be developing its young players.

"Those days are gone," he said of a quick fix. "We have a great opportunity ahead of us, and I just hope the fans appreciate the road, the journey to where we're going."

If it goes through Charlotte and leads to a superstar, they just might.
 

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So let's say we offer Charlotte $3 million and our worst 1st rd pick (NY pick or if we get a pick from Cleveland) to take Eisley. They can then waive him and it won't count against their cap (but they would still have to pay his salary???). So then Eisley would be a free agent and could sign with any other team for the veteran minimum. If for some reason Vujanic still didn't want to come over, we might be able to re-sign Eisley and save money and still have enough cap-space to go after Kobe.
 

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I hate to sound like a broken record, but if the Suns trade a 1st round pick to have Charlotte take Jahidi White's contract, I will be livid. I really wish they'd just stuck to their guns and kept Brevin Knight and his expiring contract. Then we wouldn't even be discussing this, since we'd have close to 13 million in cap space next year. I know some of you like Jahidi, but it was a panic move made while Scott Williams was down, and now we might end up getting rid of him anyway, in addition to a draft pick.

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Originally posted by newfan101
I hate to sound like a broken record, but if the Suns trade a 1st round pick to have Charlotte take Jahidi White's contract, I will be livid. I really wish they'd just stuck to their guns and kept Brevin Knight and his expiring contract. Then we wouldn't even be discussing this, since we'd have close to 13 million in cap space next year. I know some of you like Jahidi, but it was a panic move made while Scott Williams was down, and now we might end up getting rid of him anyway, in addition to a draft pick.

:mad:

The fact is, we DID trade Jahidi for Brevin Knight--which at the time, if you remember, there was NO conception that we would trade Steph. If there was even the possibility of Steph being traded, we probably wouldn't have gotten Jahidi.

As it is, we have what we have--the trick now is to make what we have work in our favor, rather than complain about past trades.
 

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If we want Charlotte to take Jahidi then we shouldn't have to give a 1st rd pick as well. We should just be able to give them some cash to offset his higher salary. If we gave them 3 million to take Jahidi then his salary isn't bad at all at 2.884 million for 1 yr. Even with 2 high draft picks that should put us around 10.84 million under the cap which should be enough to sign a max contract like Kobe. I'd still rather get rid of Eisley's contact and keep Jahidi for another year. He's slow and has zero reaction time, but he takes up so much space and sets a mean pick.
 

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Originally posted by jbeecham
So let's say we offer Charlotte $3 million and our worst 1st rd pick (NY pick or if we get a pick from Cleveland) to take Eisley. They can then waive him and it won't count against their cap (but they would still have to pay his salary???). So then Eisley would be a free agent and could sign with any other team for the veteran minimum. If for some reason Vujanic still didn't want to come over, we might be able to re-sign Eisley and save money and still have enough cap-space to go after Kobe.

That could happen. However, even if we gave them 3 million, they would still owe another 10 million in his salary. I don't think a lottery protected pick would be enough for Charlotte to justify that expenditure.

White's contract is expiring next year. So the 3 million could cover half of his salary and give them a sevicable center. Maybe that would be enough for them to take him just for cash ... maybe it wouldn't. Either way, I think Jahidi's name will be the one discussed in expansion, not Eisley's. I just don't think Eisley will go anywhere till his contracts in the last year.
 

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Good article - I think Bob Young must read this board because most of what he said has been on the board for awhile.
 

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Of course, he has to. It is his job.

I would be that almost all of us could write at least as good articles if the republic paid us for that.
 

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Well, if I were the Colangelo's, I'd be trying to move Eisley a lot harder than I'd try to move Jahidi. I'd dump Eisley right now if I could. We could always sign some cheap free agent PG to backup Barbosa for the rest of the season.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
The fact is, we DID trade Jahidi for Brevin Knight--which at the time, if you remember, there was NO conception that we would trade Steph. If there was even the possibility of Steph being traded, we probably wouldn't have gotten Jahidi.

As it is, we have what we have--the trick now is to make what we have work in our favor, rather than complain about past trades.

Can't I just complain a little? :)

Anyway, I admit I'm making it out to be worse than it is. The fact is, if we go after Kobe, we will have to get rid of a 1st round pick anyway, because we couldn't sign two picks and Kobe. If we don't go after Kobe, then the whole complaint is moot anyway.
 

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OK, bottom line, the trade is basically, a #1 and $3 million, and trading Jahidi White for Kobe and whatever we sign him for. I think everyone here would give a number one pick for a Kobe-caliber player, be it McGrady, etc. Also, I don't really think we cry about losing Jahidi when we gain a top caliber player in return. The risk, as I see it, is we AREN"T GUARANTEED to get Kobe for giving up a #1 pick!! Thus, I think it's a stupid move!! If we were clearing 14 to 20 million in space, then I could see that we would be in position to sign anyone we wanted. However, at 7 to 10 million cap space, we aren't guaranteed anything for sure. I'd rather draft a number one pick and take my chances that way, and save money to resign Amare, who we have reason to believe will be a top line player. Just my .02 cents! :D
 
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Of course the Phoenix Suns would rather tres Howard Eiseley, but it's going to take a lot more to get rid of his contract. As much as they like the salary-cap flexibility the Phoenix Suns also love the financial relief. Unfortunately it's going to take a lot more than $3 million cash and a well protected future first-round draft pick to get Charlotte to take Howard Eiseley's contract.

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It would be alot of fun to be the Bobcat's GM.

Not only do you have the expansion draft, but you can take decent players with short but bad contracts and stockpile picks for the future to boot.

If I was the Bobcats, I would consider the Cavs pick. They are going to have plenty of young players initially anyway. Eisley is decent and would make your team respectable for a while. If you have younger big men it would be good to have a vet pg to set them up.

I'd just tuck that pick away, and go on to the next team that is begging to give me a pick.
 

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I don't know JC, if I were the Bobcat GM I'd have to like Eisley an awful lot to use up 6.3 (20%) of my 30 mil cap space on him. And I'd sure want an immediate pick, not one that comes in the sweet byy and bye. It's true that the team will have lots of young guys but their best players figure to be the ones they draft so those are precisely the ones they want as soon as possible. If it were me I'd counter by saying 'how about Eisley, 3Mil, the Cleveland pick and the Knicks pick in 2004.' Of course, it will all depend on how desperate other teams are to shed salary
 

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Originally posted by Errntknght
. If it were me I'd counter by saying 'how about Eisley, 3Mil, the Cleveland pick and the Knicks pick in 2004.'

I do think that is the minimum what CHA would demand for taking of Eisley's contract.
And that offer still wouldn't be attractive enough for them to pull the trigger, IMO.
 

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Originally posted by Errntknght
I don't know JC, if I were the Bobcat GM I'd have to like Eisley an awful lot to use up 6.3 (20%) of my 30 mil cap space on him.

They would only have to use the cap space on him for a brief moment of time because they could simply just waive him and not have any cap rammifications.

From the Article:
Charlotte is only allowed two-thirds of what other teams get in salary-cap space next season, but the team is allowed to waive players taken in the expansion draft and erase them from their cap.

Hence, why they might be bribed to take on contracts like Jahidi's or Eisley's.
 

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if the Cs see a real chance of landing Kobe, I think they'll have no problem of dumping the additional needed salary somehow.
I mean they are half wizards managing to trade Luc Longley.
I have absolute faith in them.
 

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Originally posted by King A
I mean they are half wizards managing to trade Luc Longley.
Yeah, but they’re also half morons trading for the doofus in the first place, so it all balances out.
 

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Evil Ash >>From the Article:

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Charlotte is only allowed two-thirds of what other teams get in salary-cap space next season, but the team is allowed to waive players taken in the expansion draft and erase them from their cap.
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Hence, why they might be bribed to take on contracts like Jahidi's or Eisley's.<<

Very true but JC's message talked about keeping Eisley... maybe he meant the Bobcats would waive him and then get him back off waivers at a small salary - assuming its within the rules for a team to get their own guy back in that fashion.

The Drosophilia in the unguentine is that they couldn't do that too freely because they still have to pay the guys' salaries even though they don't count against their cap. I guess that's assuming the CBA doesn't have a loophole that allows them to escape paying a guarantteed contract... I seriously doubt that's the case. I suspect the reason that there is a 3 mil limit on the amount another team can pay them in a deal like that is precisely to stop them being a large sinkhole for unwanted, overpaid players contracts.


As far as getting Kobe is concerned I'm not sure JC would ever want him on the team because of his bespattered image. It would be a mistake basketballwise to get Kobe... this team needs a center much more than they need a super high priced shooting guard, regardless of how good he is. The Colangeli probably don't know this, seeing as how they didn't make some moves last year to make a run at Brad Miller - at about a third to a half of the salary Kobe will want. So it's lucky for the team that they're so image conscious at this juncture...
 
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Winning draws the fans, but I think if the Colangeli are going to pay another free-agent big money is going to be someone could draws the fans by himself. Brad Miller does not fit the bill. Assuming Kobe Bryant gets a maximum contract, Brad Miller will be paid half as much as him.

At this point I'm also not convinced that Kobe Bryant is the target of the Phoenix Suns. I don't think they will throw maximum money at free-agents soon unless they are a sure thing both on the court and off.

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When they ever sign Kobe, they'd always be able to trade him away in exchange for value. So, it's sound business decision beyond the basketball one to sign him if you got the chance. Geez, it's more valuable than drafting an unproven high-schooler Kobe or James!
 

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George and hcsilla,

This is what I was talking about last week when things got heated. Do you guys read this now as the Bobcats being willing to take our overpriced player in the expansion draft, and then just cutting them, making the player a UFA?
 

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Originally posted by schutd
George and hcsilla,

This is what I was talking about last week when things got heated. Do you guys read this now as the Bobcats being willing to take our overpriced player in the expansion draft, and then just cutting them, making the player a UFA?

What do you mean under "read THIS"?
 
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Originally posted by schutd
George and hcsilla,

This is what I was talking about last week when things got heated. Do you guys read this now as the Bobcats being willing to take our overpriced player in the expansion draft, and then just cutting them, making the player a UFA?

I don't think any team would pay $10 million (Eisley's remaining salary - $3 million cash) for just a few draft picks.

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