ASFN Mock Cardinals on the clock #13

[dreamcastrocks]

at this time hightower now has 3 votes FYI.

My other vote was for Hightower as well. Unless my 'Other' choice can be used to trade down.

 

[juza76]

people were voting for ingram cause hightower was not in the list

 

[BigRedRage]

people were voting for ingram cause hightower was not in the list

not my fault people dont know how to click on other and vote a player in. Its been that way for all 13 votes and is common sense. If you dont know the draft beyond the players listed than maybe you shouldnt vote in a draft poll. Ive put alot of work into this thing so how about you stop complaining. My poll answers are from the top 25 board on CBS sports. Hightower is not available yet in the top 25 board.

"Other - notate below" is pretty simple. This isnt a presidential election and florida people are not voting.

 

[BigRedRage]

simple solution...if Ingram wins this poll, post a run off poll between him and Hightower. This is a Cardinal forum and since this is the Cardinal's pick, won't hurt to spend time on an extra post to make sure and see what the overall consensus is here

Sad that it comes to this but sure.

Lanslide vitory with Ingram. Will do a runoff poll so that the florida elderly were not confused on how to vote.

 

[juza76]

not my fault people dont know how to click on other and vote a player in. Its been that way for all 13 votes and is common sense. If you dont know the draft beyond the players listed than maybe you shouldnt vote in a draft poll. Ive put alot of work into this thing so how about you stop complaining. My poll answers are from the top 25 board on CBS sports. Hightower is not available yet in the top 25 board.

"Other - notate below" is pretty simple. This isnt a presidential election and florida people are not voting.

i know that..i didnt want to offend you..i know u did a great job and appreciate it..just a bit complaining about hightower cause he deserved a spot in the list much more then poe gilmore kirkpatrick wright brockers

 

[desertdawg]

not my fault people dont know how to click on other and vote a player in. Its been that way for all 13 votes and is common sense. If you dont know the draft beyond the players listed than maybe you shouldnt vote in a draft poll. Ive put alot of work into this thing so how about you stop complaining. My poll answers are from the top 25 board on CBS sports. Hightower is not available yet in the top 25 board.

"Other - notate below" is pretty simple. This isnt a presidential election and florida people are not voting.

The "She hasn't popped out a baby yet.." line the other day had me rollin, now the Florida line...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hightower.

Looked everywhere for this stupid post.

 

[cardncubfan]

Hightower, but I would be happy with Ingram.

 

[Duckjake]

Well, there aren't any many of the players left that us fans seem to have high on our own "boards," but I think there's a lot of talent there.

No Kidding. Just look at the range of votes. Like I've said before there are 5-10 players who will be available at #13 who will help make the Cards a better football team.

If you can trade down if possible fine and if not take one of the several talents available. I just don't see how the Cards can lose in this deep draft.

 

[BigRedRage]

The "She hasn't popped out a baby yet.." line the other day had me rollin, now the Florida line...

; )

 

[BigRedRage]

mods plz close

 

[kerouac9]

I will put it out there right now...Melvin Ingram + Ray Horton = Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Not the way that Horton/LeBeau integrates his rookies into the lineup. The Cards started the Animated Corpse of Joey Porter for 6 games(!!!!) before putting Sam Acho and O'Brien Schofield in for meaningful playing time. I actually doubt that we would've seen as much from either if Porter hadn't suffered the knee injury.

Troy Polamalu started 0 games his rookie year.
Lawrence Timmons started 2 games combined over his first 2 seasons.
LaMarr Woodley started 0 games his rookie year and only had 4 sacks.

It's a little bit different from Pittsburgh in that their existing talent base is such that they can sit guys for a redshirt, have them play special teams, and get to know the system. But even Peterson wasn't going to start until injury forced the Cards' hand. He was playing behind A.J. Jefferson all camp long.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not the way that Horton/LeBeau integrates his rookies into the lineup. The Cards started the Animated Corpse of Joey Porter for 6 games(!!!!) before putting Sam Acho and O'Brien Schofield in for meaningful playing time. I actually doubt that we would've seen as much from either if Porter hadn't suffered the knee injury.

Troy Polamalu started 0 games his rookie year.
Lawrence Timmons started 2 games combined over his first 2 seasons.
LaMarr Woodley started 0 games his rookie year and only had 4 sacks.

It's a little bit different from Pittsburgh in that their existing talent base is such that they can sit guys for a redshirt, have them play special teams, and get to know the system. But even Peterson wasn't going to start until injury forced the Cards' hand. He was playing behind A.J. Jefferson all camp long.

He won't be a starter, but Horton will move him around enough in nickel packages that he will get 13+ sacks. Keep in mind, right now, the only vet he has to beat out is Schofield who had trouble learning the defense last year.

 

[kerouac9]

He won't be a starter, but Horton will move him around enough in nickel packages that he will get 13+ sacks. Keep in mind, right now, the only vet he has to beat out is Schofield who had trouble learning the defense last year.

I don't believe that for a moment. I get that you're trying to do a sales job on a skeptical board for a player that sharp posters should already be getting behind, but this isn't the way to go about it. Schofield is/was just as fine a pure pass rusher as Ingram is as a prospect, and Schofield couldn't get on the field in pass rush situations the last two years.

And I expect that Haggans will be back unless we draft two OLBs in the first four picks, expecting all of them to make the roster. I'm surprised we didn't bring anyone in to compete for Porter's vacant job; we must have a lot of faith in Acho going forward.

I get that you're expecting us to use a four-man front with Ingram-Campbell-Carter-Dockett on passing downs as the first rotation, but I just don't see it. If we're using a defensive system that veterans couldn't get their heads around for four months, there's no way that Ingram is going to be able to pick it up.

The LeBeau system trades physical ability for intelligence and discipline. That's why a guy like Kendrell Bell can be All-Pro for the Steelers, then go to Kansas City and look like an undrafted free agent. Outside the system, these guys really, really struggle. The same reason that James Harrison can look like a promising project player in Baltimore and become a huge star in Pittsburgh.

It takes time to integrate these guys into the system, and you win with Sam Acho because he uses his instincts and discipline in a way that O'Brien Schofield doesn't, even though Schofield is without question more talented.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't believe that for a moment. I get that you're trying to do a sales job on a skeptical board for a player that sharp posters should already be getting behind, but this isn't the way to go about it. Schofield is/was just as fine a pure pass rusher as Ingram is as a prospect, and Schofield couldn't get on the field in pass rush situations the last two years.

And I expect that Haggans will be back unless we draft two OLBs in the first four picks, expecting all of them to make the roster. I'm surprised we didn't bring anyone in to compete for Porter's vacant job; we must have a lot of faith in Acho going forward.

I get that you're expecting us to use a four-man front with Ingram-Campbell-Carter-Dockett on passing downs as the first rotation, but I just don't see it. If we're using a defensive system that veterans couldn't get their heads around for four months, there's no way that Ingram is going to be able to pick it up.

The LeBeau system trades physical ability for intelligence and discipline. That's why a guy like Kendrell Bell can be All-Pro for the Steelers, then go to Kansas City and look like an undrafted free agent. Outside the system, these guys really, really struggle. The same reason that James Harrison can look like a promising project player in Baltimore and become a huge star in Pittsburgh.

It takes time to integrate these guys into the system, and you win with Sam Acho because he uses his instincts and discipline in a way that O'Brien Schofield doesn't, even though Schofield is without question more talented.

As far as scheme, I see Horton using Ingram as a DE in the nickel 4 man front, and as a LB in the 3 man.

In regards to picking up the defense, honestly, I put a ton of stock in Ingram's ability to play DE, DT, LB and on special teams. That sort of workload normally designates an individual who really understands the game. I understand there is a significant difference between South Carolina and a Pittsburgh style defense, but I believe Ingram, like Acho, has a very good football mind and will pick up Horton's defense pretty quickly.

 

[Duckjake]

I get that you're expecting us to use a four-man front with Ingram-Campbell-Carter-Dockett on passing downs as the first rotation, but I just don't see it. If we're using a defensive system that veterans couldn't get their heads around for four months, there's no way that Ingram is going to be able to pick it up.

Where would anyone get the idea that the Cards would do that? The 4 man front on passing downs wouldn't have Carter in the game. It would be Acho-Dockett-Campbell-Ingram or some variation. Our NT's will be on the bench. The 4 man front of Haggans-Dockett-Campbell-Porter killed us last season until Acho, who is far better suited to that role than Porter, took over.

 

[Chopper0080]

Where would anyone get the idea that the Cards would do that? The 4 man front on passing downs wouldn't have Carter in the game. It would be Acho-Dockett-Campbell-Ingram or some variation. Our NT's will be on the bench. The 4 man front of Haggans-Dockett-Campbell-Porter killed us last season until Acho, who is far better suited to that role than Porter, took over.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a 3-3 with Dockett-Carter-Campbell and then Ingram-Washington-Acho standing up. You could also take out Carter and flex Acho and Ingram wide, standing up, for a dime package with Wilson dropping into the box next to Washington.