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Kent Somers
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Nov. 2, 2005 12:00 AM

Nearly two years ago, the Cardinals fired Dave McGinnis as coach because the Bidwill family and vice president Rod Graves thought the team had better talent than the 4-12 season indicated.

That was debatable, as was McGinnis' culpability for the horrible year, but, as historians like to say, it was what it was.

The important question now, two years later, is: Are the Cardinals any better?



At 2-5, it's hard to see how. To answer yes, you'd have to look in the bowels and corners of the team's Tempe facility, or cash a check signed by a Bidwill.

The running game is atrocious. The run defense isn't much better. There is no long-term answer at quarterback, the most important position in the game, because Josh McCown and Kurt Warner are both working under one-year deals.

The result is a third consecutive 2-5 start, and a chorus of - everyone now - same old Cardinals.

Nothing irritates Michael Bidwill, the team's vice president and general counsel, more than hearing that, according to several people who know him. That's why Bidwill was instrumental in hiring Dennis Green, a proven winner, as coach. That's why he worked tirelessly to obtain the funding for a new stadium that rises impressively out of cotton fields in the West Valley.

In his second season, however, Green has just an 8-15 overall record here, and you can't help but notice that other coaches in their second seasons are having considerably more success. The Giants are 5-2 under Tom Coughlin, the Bears are 4-3 under Lovie Smith and Joe Gibbs' Redskins are 4-3.

The Cardinals, meanwhile, are out of the playoff picture. They won't catch Seattle (5-2) for the NFC West title, and the two wild-card berths likely will come from other divisions.

Another poor start by the Cardinals would be easier to take if there were reasons to think the future was bright.

McCown's young and talented, but he will be an unrestricted free agent after this season. How much incentive is there for him to return, when he has no running game to back him up and a coach who benched him a year ago?

The offensive line is playing just as poorly as last season. Right tackle Oliver Ross' absence because of a broken hand hasn't helped, but Ross hadn't played well when healthy. Several people in the organization remain perplexed why left tackle Leonard Davis isn't playing better. And Green's off-season decisions to cut L.J. Shelton and Anthony Clement robbed the team of experienced depth.

Defensively, ends Bertrand Berry and Chike Okeafor have played well, as has linebacker Karlos Dansby in most games. The tackles, however, have not made plays, and the Cardinals still can't stop the run.

If this football team has improved in the past two years, it takes someone on the inside to see it.

"We've made a lot of progress," Bidwill said. "It didn't feel like it in Dallas, but this team has the potential to be better. We've got a talented group of coaches and players."

Bidwill blamed injuries as part of the reason for the poor record, pointing out that cornerback Antrel Rolle and Ross have missed significant time.

In the NFL, injuries are as common as luxury SUVs in the parking lot. Everybody deals with them, and no one feels sorry for anyone else.

"At the end of the day, the only statistic that matters in the NFL is your win-loss," Bidwill said. "But if you look at our offense, a lot has been said about the running game, but our passing game has really taken off. Our defense has shown a lot of great progress."

Bidwill's been around the NFL long enough, however, to know that progress is defined by victories. This isn't the AYSO.

In the coming months, the Cardinals will begin to sell tickets for the new stadium, which opens next season. Maybe the attraction of a new stadium will entice new fans to buy tickets, but their interest will fade quickly if the franchise continues to lose.

After all, who wants to pay big money for a great seat to watch a bad team?

Cardinals biggest fan: Gloria Trevino

To nominate a Cardinals Biggest Fan, go to cardinals.azcentral.com. Selected submissions run Wednesdays, with a winner to be named after the regular season.

A co-worker, Izzy Izdebski, nominated Trevino, who works seven days a week except during football season. She never misses a Cardinals home game and makes annual pilgrimages to training camp. She even attends draft day parties and every Cardinals-sponsored event she can.

A Cardinals flag marks the entrance to the Trevino home on Sundays in season. Inside, a special Cardinals room, the walls painted red and displaying a mural of the team logo, houses photos, autographs and other memorabilia.

Trevino, a season ticket holder for the past 10 years, paints her face on game days and dresses in full Cardinals attire.

"I knew absolutely nothing about the Cardinals, but after working with Gloria for the past two years, she has converted me to be a fan as well," Izdebski wrote. "I do not know of a single person who is more dedicated to any team, in any sport, more than Gloria is to her precious Cardinals."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/columns/articles/1102cardsinsider1102.html
 

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Poor article. It's so easy to point out the bad stuff.

I'm pissed that we aren't winning, but the offense- at times- looks better than it did last year. The defense- at times- looks better than it did last year. We just need some consistency.

The part about incentives for Josh to return- what incentives does he give the Cards to keep him?

It took the Bengals more than two years to turn that situation around. Next year is really where Green needs to start winning.
 

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Fair article in my opinion. Frankly, I'm concerned that this team is not getting any better.

It is easy to point out all the bad stuff because that's just about all there is. The only good stuff this team has produced this year is Neil Rackers, Bertrand Berry's 7.5 sacks, and the Boldin/Fitzgerald combination.

Don't you ever sit an wonder why even the crappiest teams from a few years ago are doing better. The horrible Dolphins are .500 and the Lions are not far from that either. Teams that were down are on the rise and teams that were great are struggling. Good parity in the NFL. Why can't the Cards ever get out of the cellar?

Today's worst teams were previous years Super Bowl winners or contenders-- San Francisco, Green Bay, Minnesota.


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It's a fair article.

Michael just chose the wrong guy to come here, it happens.

He's learning, he'll get it right.
 

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If it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, don't you then expect them to start winning once we get in the new stadium?? The extra $$$$$$$$$ from concessions could be huge for us to offer to assistants, better backup players....all kinds of stuff. Or do you say that the Bidwills just pocket the extra??
 

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Oran said:
It took the Bengals more than two years to turn that situation around. Next year is really where Green needs to start winning.

Again, the Bengals are a lousy comparison to make because they literally CHOSE to take a step back in year 2 for the future of the franchise. They could have kept Palmer on the bench but they knew he was going to be a much better QB than Kitna, he just needed to play. So they made him the starter, and took their lumps while Palmer got accustomed to starting in the NFL. And in the 2nd half they were clearly a much better team and it's carrying over into this season.

We're not doing that here, we're not grooming Josh to be our franchise QB we're simply hoping he is. We're 2-5 for a variety of reasons but the biggest one is we're simply not much better than we were last year.
 

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NEZCardsfan said:
If it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, don't you then expect them to start winning once we get in the new stadium?? The extra $$$$$$$$$ from concessions could be huge for us to offer to assistants, better backup players....all kinds of stuff. Or do you say that the Bidwills just pocket the extra??

Little bit of both. First they dont have the same revenue streams like other teams do so of course they have less to spend on signing bonuses, ect. But this is also their only business while most other owners have their hands in other things, so of course they are going to pockett a little more then other owners plus they put up a lot of money into the statium so they could be trying to pocket the extra.

With the revenue streams of the new statium we will probably still not spend all of our cap each year but they will/should be more willing to pay for little things such as coaching, real depth instead of street FA's, ect. Also expect larger signing bonuses or other bonuses becuase of the new revenue streams. I dont think FA's have come here to use us in the past at all, I think they really had an interest in coming here becuase our contract offer totals have been in line with what they go off and sign with other teams, the problem has never been total contract amounts but rather the structure and handing out more up front money which is what players really look for in FA. Low signing bonuses and high base salary is why most FA's leave town to sign with another team when they come to visit us. We have already started paying more in signing bonuses but still lower then any other team in the league, so we shall see if the trend continues. Signing bonus is why Hartwell left town last year as well as a few other bigger type FA's over the years.

Not saying it will happen it is just speculation on my part based on the contract trends I see when looking at the team over the last couple of years, so we shall see.
 
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This kind of stat is probably the last refuge for a fan of a bad football team, but here goes:

The teams that the Cards have lost to are a combined 24-13 so far this year, or 19-13 if you exclude the results of the games where they played the Cardinals. All, except the Rams, are over .500.

The teams the Cardinals beat are a combined 4-11, or 4-9 excluding the Cardinal games.

Now the rest of the schedule:

Last nine opponents are a combined 34-28.

Only three games against teams with losing records: Texans, 49ers and Lions. The Rams are below .500 if you exclude the Cardinal game -- all of those games are on the road.

Looks like the Philly game at home will have Philly in a dogfight for playoffs.

The only saving grace is that Indy likely wont be playing for anything -- much like the Cards.
 

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JoeSchmo.......exactly what I've been saying for years. Great post.

The only thing is, I could care less about Ed Hartwell. Never wanted him here. I might be the only man in the world that thinks this, but I was looking for big things from Hayes, and I think our Rush D has really suffered due to his loss.
 

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Russ Smith said:
Again, the Bengals are a lousy comparison to make because they literally CHOSE to take a step back in year 2 for the future of the franchise. They could have kept Palmer on the bench but they knew he was going to be a much better QB than Kitna, he just needed to play. So they made him the starter, and took their lumps while Palmer got accustomed to starting in the NFL. And in the 2nd half they were clearly a much better team and it's carrying over into this season.

We're not doing that here, we're not grooming Josh to be our franchise QB we're simply hoping he is. We're 2-5 for a variety of reasons but the biggest one is we're simply not much better than we were last year.

After what you have seen are you comparing McCown with Palmer? Palmer played big time ball for a big time school and was a big time player. Josh played for podunk u and is about what we should expect. Josh could start every game for the next three years and he is no Carson Palmer. Guys drafted where Palmer was have a decent chance of becoming a good player and is more than that.
 

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en fuego said:
This kind of stat is probably the last refuge for a fan of a bad football team, but here goes:

The teams that the Cards have lost to are a combined 24-13 so far this year, or 19-13 if you exclude the results of the games where they played the Cardinals. All, except the Rams, are over .500.

The teams the Cardinals beat are a combined 4-11, or 4-9 excluding the Cardinal games.

Now the rest of the schedule:

Last nine opponents are a combined 34-28.

Only three games against teams with losing records: Texans, 49ers and Lions. The Rams are below .500 if you exclude the Cardinal game -- all of those games are on the road.

Looks like the Philly game at home will have Philly in a dogfight for playoffs.

The only saving grace is that Indy likely wont be playing for anything -- much like the Cards.

not so fast kemosabie. we could be playing for the #1 or #2 pick. that would sure bring out some great post and wishes. i am not sure what i would want to happen? we would probably end up with #1 and trade it for #23, #24, and #25 as we have so many needs. that logic always makes me real happy.
 

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john h said:
After what you have seen are you comparing McCown with Palmer? Palmer played big time ball for a big time school and was a big time player. Josh played for podunk u and is about what we should expect. Josh could start every game for the next three years and he is no Carson Palmer. Guys drafted where Palmer was have a decent chance of becoming a good player and is more than that.



Um, I didn't take it that way at all.

He was being sarcastic I think.

As in the fact of where we stand in comparison to them is pretty dismal.

Josh is our only comparison to Palmer and in that respect he was making a point that we suck.

Josh = the only QB on the roster remotely like Palmer in that we have some hopes for him although as anyone can see the two situations are so laughably far apart that it's painfully obvious why we lose.
 

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