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Urban, on the comment section of his blog regarding the 53 man roster, reminded people that before he got hurt that Roberts was still listed as the top punt returner and is unlikely to go anywhere
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Urban, on the comment section of his blog regarding the 53 man roster, reminded people that before he got hurt that Roberts was still listed as the top punt returner and is unlikely to go anywhere
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On any normal team in any normal year, they might cut some slack and keep Roberts.
But the Cards scouting dept. happened to strike gold this off-season in the form of S. Williams and Komar while already being knee-deep in quality wideouts.
To cut Roberts isn't to hate Roberts - it's just that a couple of UDFA surprises outplayed him this preseason. (To put it in further perspective, Onrea Jones got cut too and he outplayed Roberts).
To put it in further perspective, Komar's looking better & better returning punts, and Jefferson had a quality KO return as well.
So where would Roberts fit in? My hope is that they PUP or IR him, because there may come a time when we're not so up to our eyeballs in good receivers.
But the Cards scouting dept. happened to strike gold this off-season in the form of S. Williams and Komar while already being knee-deep in quality wideouts.
To cut Roberts isn't to hate Roberts - it's just that a couple of UDFA surprises outplayed him this preseason. (To put it in further perspective, Onrea Jones got cut too and he outplayed Roberts).
To put it in further perspective, Komar's looking better & better returning punts, and Jefferson had a quality KO return as well.
So where would Roberts fit in? My hope is that they PUP or IR him, because there may come a time when we're not so up to our eyeballs in good receivers.
You can make it on the team if you are from a small school.
Komar - Idaho - on
S. Williams - Toledo - on
Skelton - Fordham - on
Roberts - Citadel - not on yet.
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Martay Jenkins
Oh don't bring that up. He turned down a $2M per contract from the Cards and is now out of football.
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He was drafted to be a punt returner and he is failing at that. WR is his 2nd job.
He was drafted to be a punt returner and he is failing at that. WR is his 2nd job.
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Who told you this??
Brian
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I wish you had gotten the chance to see him up close and personal in camp.
If you had you never would have started this thread. The guy has not looked good at all........at anything.
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You got it backwards. He was drafted as a receiver who could return punts. I doubt very much that the Cards would use a third round pick simply to get a punt returner. This type of specialist can be found late in the draft. And, by the way, he did make a 4th and five catch that lead to a preseason win.
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dogpoo32
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I don't know enough about him seen enough of him to have an opinion either way at this point. The potential is certainly there.
He has shown next to nothing. Very disappointing pick.
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You think Komar has a better shot of making it right now than Roberts?
Komar is already on the 53, so I would say yes.
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Komar is not already on the 53. He is op the 56, just like Roberts.
The jury is still out on Roberts, however I could see him on the bubble because Komar and Williams have earned spots and Whiz preaches carrying the 53 most talented players, regardless of salary or draft position and has had no issue cutting players drafted high before their development period was over. He may be good, may not. A rookie can never be a bust before the regular season even starts.
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http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/09/03/c-brown-on-an-evolving-cut-list/
Urban says here that Komar tweeted that he is on the team.
EDIT: Hadn't seen that article until just now.
Additionally, in Whiz's presser yesterday he specifically talked about telling Komar he had made the team. Komar is not getting cut today. Mark it down.
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Perhaps Roberts is a PUP candidate given his shoulder injury.
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I haven't been hating on him. It's just hard to say that when Roberts has been dropping everything, running some bad routes (or wrong ones), not making an impact on special teams, and then saying he's going to be good is very big stretch.
Can he? Sure. Some people aren't ready their first year.
But then again, Stephen Williams was.
Also, we routinely cut NFL WR's. Some that even have the ability to start. SO if we cut Roberts, it's more of because we have extreme talent at the position, rather than Roberts being a bust.
Most WR's can be like how Roberts currently is for a season or two before they get put on the bubble. But not this team. Not THIS talented WR corps.
Now given the above examples, I could easily see him cut, for good reason, and make another team, for good reason.
I'm not saying he's a bust, but I will be surprised to see him on this team, this year. But I can also understand those who label him a bust. Receivers who do what I have described, have been in the past, considered busts, rightfully so, and so I can't say he won't be, or go against those who say that.
Personally, I see him as the worst WR on this roster, if he makes it. For good reason. Perhaps next year will be different. I highly doubt he turns it around this year. Already, if he does make it, next year he's 'on the bubble'. Perhaps it's a case of being the 6th man on the 72 UCLA Bruins basketball team (our WR core). But then again, if every time he shoots, it's a brick......
Too early to tell, but for right now, he LOOKS like a bust.
Can he? Sure. Some people aren't ready their first year.
But then again, Stephen Williams was.
Also, we routinely cut NFL WR's. Some that even have the ability to start. SO if we cut Roberts, it's more of because we have extreme talent at the position, rather than Roberts being a bust.
Most WR's can be like how Roberts currently is for a season or two before they get put on the bubble. But not this team. Not THIS talented WR corps.
Now given the above examples, I could easily see him cut, for good reason, and make another team, for good reason.
I'm not saying he's a bust, but I will be surprised to see him on this team, this year. But I can also understand those who label him a bust. Receivers who do what I have described, have been in the past, considered busts, rightfully so, and so I can't say he won't be, or go against those who say that.
Personally, I see him as the worst WR on this roster, if he makes it. For good reason. Perhaps next year will be different. I highly doubt he turns it around this year. Already, if he does make it, next year he's 'on the bubble'. Perhaps it's a case of being the 6th man on the 72 UCLA Bruins basketball team (our WR core). But then again, if every time he shoots, it's a brick......
Too early to tell, but for right now, he LOOKS like a bust.
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I was a fan of Roberts when we drafted him and im willing to give him more then a preseason before i write him off. I have faith he will come good.
OK, this was your main point and I concede you were right on this. Good call MD. Still think he has a tough time surviving the roster, but as of today you are right and I was wrong on this one.
I was right on this one.
He was and is on the 53.
I got 2 outta 3 right, but not the main point.
Ever watch Leinart play in college?
Hell I dont know about Roberts yet.. But to pull a did you see him play in college as your basis is ridiculous..
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Nah, it's not. At this point in time, Robert's play in college is just about all we have to judge him by. Not so with Matty.
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What are you talking about?? Leinart was let go because he didn't want to be the #2. Whis said this yesterday in his press conference. I will accept 1/2 credit there at the least. And We didn't have a 53 man list when this thread was made. We had a 56 man roster. I said as of then he was on the 56, I never said he wouldn't make the 53. What I said was exactly right, how can you possibly argue that?
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There is a quiet back story that Cardinal coaches were privately saying that - in absolute terms* - Hall had the best preseason of the four Cardinal QB's. He may have impressed the coaches enough for them to ignore the "it's scary to make a rookie UDFA your $2 backup" words of caution.
While the company-line may be that Matt wasn't thrilled about being #2, it's conceivable (maybe not probable but conceivable) that the decision had already been made that Max would be #2
*By "absolute terms, I mean all the things that form a QB's skill-set: accuracy, decision-making, huddle-presence, ability to improvise and the bottom line of moving the offense and scoring TD's. Cast aside issues of unit vs. unit, experience etc. and the feeling as reported was that, in terms of just getting the job done, Hall stood out as better than the other 3.
That said - I'd still feel more comfortable if we added Chris Simms or Troy Smith and kept 4 QB's on the roster..
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