AYTON TRADED!

[Phrazbit]

Is he worse than Laimbeer? Malone? Even Barkley has a longer highlight reel of dirty plays.

He's right there with them. And at least those guys typically got physical to send a message (except Malone with his elbows of death).

Allen does crap because he is a hot headed clown. He gets annoyed that something didn't go his way so he whacks someone, sometimes while they're in mid flight, or he stomps on em, trips em, does a full force swing at their head, and always is shocked when he gets caught.

If I ran sports leagues a dude like Allen would have been banned long ago.

 

[SunsTzu]

Ayton gets more boards than Nurk.

Mostly due to playing more minutes, Nurkic rebounds at a slightly better rate though.

Ayton is certainly the better player but it just seems pretty apparent the team has been wanting to move on for some time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He's right there with them. And at least those guys typically got physical to send a message (except Malone with his elbows of death).

Allen does crap because he is a hot headed clown. He gets annoyed that something didn't go his way so he whacks someone, sometimes while they're in mid flight, or he stomps on em, trips em, does a full force swing at their head, and always is shocked when he gets caught.

If I ran sports leagues a dude like Allen would have been banned long ago.

Yeah, what Allen did, at the college level anyway, wasn't about winning the game. A lot can and has been overlooked when a player crosses the line in an effort to win a game. But most of the time it's been personal for Grayson and he's just as likely to take out someone's knee when they are up by 40 as he'd be when trailing by 2.

 

[CardsFan88]

He looks very solid dribbling, he seems decisive when he gets the ball off the screen & roll or when fed in the paint, he can make plays for others.
He appears to have a high bball IQ.

Ayton killed us in all these areas.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

Your watching his highlights.

He only played 26 minutes a game last year, because he can be a liability defensively.

My prediction is the Suns will be playing a lot of small ball

I admit that but what he exhibits during those highlights is encouraging considering our roster.
We don't need him to replicate it every night but more like provide that skillset.
He can be impactful to facilitating the offense without being a crucial part of it.
I believe our offense will in part be our defense because most teams will be trying to keep up.

 

[Chaplin]

Did I not see the pic clearly? I thought they showed Giannis, Lopez and crazy eyes as their staring frontcourt with middleton in the backcourt with dame.

Ah ok. If that's the case, my mistake. I didn't think they'd play him as an SG.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

Ayton killed us in all these areas.

Oh I know. For as much as an Ayton fan I was, I never could rebuttal when these flaws were brought up. It was extremely frustrating because I believe he is very talented and those simple things took so much away from his game.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Well well well

Look who got traded for peanuts

 

[AzStevenCal]

Oh I know. For as much as an Ayton fan I was, I never could rebuttal when these flaws were brought up. It was extremely frustrating because I believe he is very talented and those simple things took so much away from his game.

Yeah DA is gifted, there's a reason he went first in a draft class that was expected to be one of the greatest ever. And we've seen glimpses of greatness from him but he's never sustained it. His longest run of strong play was the run up to the finals and his worst play has probably been everything since then. I'd have kept him, he had so much potential and is a likable person, but I'm not broken hearted he's gone. Just that he's gone for so little.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Ayton on that finals run is not the same player he was. He was great at times then. That player doesn’t exist. Ayton has always thought he was Dominayton. He has never worked hard to be great. He thinks he already is.

I think there is more of his story to be told, but we'll see!

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah DA is gifted, there's a reason he went first in a draft class that was expected to be one of the greatest ever. And we've seen glimpses of greatness from him but he's never sustained it. His longest run of strong play was the run up to the finals and his worst play has probably been everything since then. I'd have kept him, he had so much potential and is a likable person, but I'm not broken hearted he's gone. Just that he's gone for so little.

Nah, we did get three other players.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

 

[CardNots]

Ayton got everything he wanted from the Suns organization being the #1 pick with the top contract take in, a starting job, the max contract deal and an opportunity to showcase his talents but he was too immature and selfish and failed to see the big picture and be a team oriented player and he cheated us and himself for not playing & reaching his potential. We wanted so to embrace him but he pulled back and make it impossible to be accomplish that goal.

If only Ayton had more vision and realized what he could have done with Book and the Suns. He folded two years running in the playoffs after that great 2 games from being a NBA champion against Milwaukee.
He didn't want to be here & the feeling got to be mutual. He cheated the Suns and they were tired of his actions of not being consistent on the court with the same burning desire as Book & Durant. We had to move on from him but I wish the return was better but the Suns will survive as we have players who are on board Ayton wasn't or didn't appear to be. Maybe the Suns still can pull another better trade or just gel together as is going forward. Well moved on for the better. New season, new coach, new owner, new players and hope for the Suns to still focus on the Chip. Ayton is just history now and not our worry. He not our problem any more. He probably do well in Portland but we'll do better in Phoenix. Go Suns!!!!

What max contract? We essentially matched the restricted FA offer from the Pacers, I didn’t think that was a max contract equal to what we could have given.

 

[Yuma]

I have to wonder about context. Was Nurkic's durability a product of whatever offense was being run in Portland, or was it something else? On the Suns, he won't have to do nearly as much offensively, that's for sure. Don't know if that will improve his durability or what...

Talked to a Portland fan that says Nurkic's non playing numbers have been inflated the past couple seasons as the team wanted to give younger bigs more minutes, FWIW.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nah, we did get three other players.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Ha. Took me a second, or should I say a Little while.

 

[Mainstreet]

What max contract? We essentially matched the restricted FA offer from the Pacers, I didn’t think that was a max contract equal to what we could have given.

It was the four-year max another team could offer.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I can only assume that they have been 100% dedicated to trading Ayton all summer, but were just waiting it out and hoping a better offer came along and it didn't.

 

[Yuma]

I think you're overthinking this - 7 footers that weigh around 300 pounds are constantly injured. He's turning 30 as well - that doesn't seem to help with 7 footers and longevity.

The rest of the return is an absolute mystery as well. I like all of our additions in FA much more than Allen/Little. This trade just blows my mind.

Again, info I got from a Portland fan said he's recently lost weight. Something to do with him and his wife having a baby and him wanting to be in shape, or helping her get in shape. IDK, it had to do with his family somehow.

 

[Yuma]

Blazers could very well be a 6th-8th team, i get the front court is young, but now you add Ayton and Holiday, thats a somewhat solid team with no true superstar. Holiday and Ayton make Grant better as well.
Scoot, Simmons, Holiday, Grant, Ayton. Not bad.

Bucks get a flame thrower in there with the often injured Middleton, solid 3 there with little depth loss.

And the suns get shizz for this, at most a Jokic slower-downer...if healthy. This sucks.

Ayton weighs them down, too, imho. We tried to get him to run the court here, and he wouldn't do it. I will wait and see with Portland.

 

[BirdGangThing]

If Devin Booker didn't want this to be - this wouldn't be

If Kevin Durant didn't want this to be - this wouldn't be

If Frank Vogel didn't want this to be - this wouldn't be

Truth is DeAndre Ayton can't be depended on - and everyone mentioned above needs players they can depend on if we're going to win a championship

We needed to dump him and his salary - I'm not going over his issues anymore - you're welcome - he's gone and it's thankfully time to move on

But if there's 5 minutes left in a close and important game I'll take Nurkic > Ayton 10 times out of 10 - because this isn't 3 years ago - and it looks like our superstars - coaching staff - management and owner agree with me

We got good value

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can only assume that they have been 100% dedicated to trading Ayton all summer, but were just waiting it out and hoping a better offer came along and it didn't.

Maybe. I still lean towards the idea that we were waiting to see if Vogel could do what Monty couldn't until Ayton's comments about his Bahamas teammates being the greatest teammates he's ever played with. I believed then and still do that it was a direct shot at Devin and maybe at KD too. And I'm not even sure he was wrong, let's face it, great as he is, Booker is still learning how to be an effective leader.

 

[Yuma]

I don't think replacing Ayton with Nurkic at this point affects the ceiling all that much. We have yet to see if Nurk will have the same injury problems, and we don't know if there are subsequent moves planned here, because as the trade sits right now, we cannot accommodate it.

Suns will b e measured by how the big three play. Even, even Ayton, would be an after thought after those guys.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Maybe. I still lean towards the idea that we were waiting to see if Vogel could do what Monty couldn't until Ayton's comments about his Bahamas teammates being the greatest teammates he's ever played with. I believed then and still do that it was a direct shot at Devin and maybe at KD too. And I'm not even sure he was wrong, let's face it, great as he is, Booker is still learning how to be an effective leader.

You could be right of course, but I'm just not sold on that. They were very clearly shopping him early in the offseason and very willing to take offers. To me you do not do that publicly unless you are quite sold on the idea of trading him.

That could certainly be the comment that moved it from preferring to trade him to feeling like they absolutely had to, but who knows.

 

[Proximo]

What’s more dangerous? 2 on the court or 3? This allows more court time for all 3 at once.

2 all game is better than 3 for most of the game.

Most teams with star players lose their lead when the bench comes in. By keeping 2 on the floor at all times the liklihood of that happening is slim. That's by far the biggest advantage of having 3 stars over 2 is IMO. After all there is only one ball - making sure they impact the most minutes possible is best.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

To me it was very clear that Ayton wanted a big role in this offense and I think there was no chance that was going to happen. The big 3 are absolutely going to combine for something near 75 points per game and there is only going to be scraps remaining for Ayton. No chance he would have been content with that.

 

[Raindog]

I think there is more of his story to be told, but we'll see!

Well, I could certainly speculate that he's a pothead. There has been both smoke and fire there (so to speak) with his past suspension. It would explain both the passivity and spaciness in his play.

Beyond that, he seems to be something of an immature but innocuous doofus. Probably inclined to pouting a bit whenever things don't go his way and/or coaches get on his case. It certainly seems like he isn't exactly the model of professionalism either - although for most pro athletes, that is tolerated to some degree, if you're good enough otherwise.

If there is anything more shocking or revelatory than any of that, I would certainly be interested to discover it.