I did. He was inconsistent. And it’s summer league which means next to nothing. There are 2nd round surprises, but that’s what they are, surprises because so few that late hit percentage-wise. I liked toumani but I think we are always desperate to want our picks to be hits so we tend to be overly optimistic about them. Many more strawberry’s than ceballos out there.
Yeah, I immediately had high hopes for him and then had those hopes dashed in the next game. I wouldn't have minded seeing what he could become but I'd be surprised if he's ever more than a lower tier rotation player.
Yeah I have more questions about how the pieces will fit together than I do about our depth. I suspect that if our stars go down, we're going to lament our lack of depth and if our stars stay mostly healthy, we're going to love how deep we are.
That's possible except Frank described what kind of center fits his system...athletic and mobile. Ayton fits that bill. Nurkic does not.
Roy Hibbert was 1000% not athletic and mobile.
I suspect Eubanks will be seeing heavy minutes as well. I doubt Nurkic is playing more than 24-26 MPG or so this season.
This is exactly what I have been saying. This was a sell low scenario for the Suns likely because they wanted to just move on. This was not an even trade and the idea is addition by subtraction. Selling low on the franchises one and only 1st overall pick is a major fail either way.
He mentioned Anthony Davis as being the type not Hibbert. I am also assuming he meant not injured Davis. LOL.
Roy Hibbert was a crucial piece to the first success Vogel had in the NBA, so definitely relevant. AD was already AD before Vogel.
I can't speak to why he mentioned Davis but not Hibbert regardless of his success. Again, maybe he feels Davis was a better fit in his system not that it can't work to a lesser degree with other players. My hope is his system works here with what we have.
Almost certainly recency bias, but it could be argued that not only did he improve a center like Hibbert to be really productive, he was able to adapt to a player that already had the tools to further bring them together to form a championship squad.
Booker is the only player remaining from the Suns team that played in the 2021 NBA Finals. Crazy fast roster turnover for your team.
I am not discounting it either. I hope he can do something with what we have. However, regardless of all the Ayton bashing (most of it legit), the paint with him in it verses out was night and day even when he dissappeared offensively or on the boards. Some people posted some stats on RealGM that showed that wasn't always the case with Nurkic.
Well, Anthony Davis when healthy is the best center for ANY team, so to say that’s Vogel’s system, and using that as proof that he wasn’t just fluffing DA, especially in the face of Hibbert being the Center he used to great effect elsewhere, doesn’t mean much to me.
I think this team knows its bread is going to buttered on offense and on 100% buy in from all its key pieces. The D won’t have the high ceiling it would have with Ayton, but that’s a ceiling that was a huge stretch considering how mercurial Ayton has been… and probably would have gotten worse being even more phased out on offense.
We know two things this season that we didn’t have last season: better perimeter defending and 3-point shooting. Rim protection might suffer a bit, but if the perimeter D can take away a lot of drives inside, it might not matter as much.
I don't see our rim protection suffering at all - infact - with the arrival of Vogel and the banishing of eAnre Ayton - I only expect it to improve
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Having a bunch of a 3 point gunners will be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Season’s past we really only had Cam/Bridges as dependable 3 ball guys and once they were gone, we really saw how hamstrung a team could be without shooting even with KD/Booker.
That's very true but having said that the relationship with Monty was irrevocably broken. I don't care who you are that will not create a good situation on court. I was hoping that Frank would get a crack at it....if for nothing then to restore some of Ayton's value. That at least could have resulted in something better than this crap trade. What's done is done now though. All we can hope is that the addition by subtraction works.
