AZ involved in possible three way deal with Angels and Marlins (M. Cabrera news)

[Diamondback Jay]

According to some sources who have given me pretty accurate information in the past, the Angels have emerged as the front runners to acquire Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins. According to this source, the Diamondbacks also have involvement in the deal, which would net them a pair of SP, Ervin Santana atop the list.

In the rumor, the Marlins would trade Cabrera to the Angels. In exchange, the 'Lins would receive Carlos Gonzalez, and prospect Gerardo Parra from the Diamondbacks and Brandon Wood and Sean O'Sullivan from Los Angeles.

The Diamondbacks in turn would receive Ervin Santana and pitching prospect Ryan Tucker (Florida) to Arizona.

I think it's an interesting rumor to say the least and thought it merited some discussion. Thoughts?

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I think we can do better than Santana in exchange for Gonzalez. If Florida is absolutely going to trade Cabrera, that's a pretty sweet bounty.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I would much rather have Cabrera, and would give up quite a bit to get him. He would immediately give us a huge bat in the middle of the lineup and much needed power at a corner infield position.

 

[crisper57]

I would much rather have Cabrera, and would give up quite a bit to get him. He would immediately give us a huge bat in the middle of the lineup and much needed power at a corner infield position.

Yeah but his food budget is higher than our entire team salary!

 

[boondockdrunk]

I would much rather have Cabrera, and would give up quite a bit to get him. He would immediately give us a huge bat in the middle of the lineup and much needed power at a corner infield position.

Problem is that the D'backs now have a young, cheap 3rd baseman in Reynolds. The production that is seen from him makes it ridiculous to pursue Cabrera (even though I would love to see him bat in the middle of the order), as Marlins' third baseman will receive a huge contract when he becomes a free agent.

While Santana gives us a young (24-25 year old) starter who can pitch after Webb for the coming years. However, he is clearly not a dominant starter by any stretch of the imagination. We would need to get something else in the deal to make it work. Ryan Tucker, while a decent prospect, does not seem to be a good pick-up. He has closer stuff, and some people think he is headed to the bullpen. That does not excite me because we have a bunch of young relief pitchers.

I do not mind giving up Carlos Gonzalez like a lot of posters. I do believe he will be a good major leaguer but the problem is finding him a position to play. The organizational depth at OF in AZ's system is beyond belief; thus, the best method for CGon to aid this franchise is through a trade where we go from a strength (young outfielders) to a weakness (young pitchers).

With that being said, it scares me that they are talking about trading Parra. This prospect (only 20) reminds people of a more refined CGon, because he has better strike zone recognition as well as the same five-tools. However, what has struck me is that scouts rave about his passion for the game. That he lives baseball. I do not know if anyone, despite depth, should ever give up a player like that.

If the D'backs were able to get a young pitcher like Chris Volstad (unlikely) or Sean West the trade would be more agreeable. Yet, I still do not like giving up Parra.

I think we can do better than Santana in exchange for Gonzalez. If Florida is absolutely going to trade Cabrera, that's a pretty sweet bounty.

I agree. Florida, while trading away a superstar, is getting a boat load in return. However, I think that all the teams benefit from this deal... just that the Marlins are benefiting the most.

 

[Mulli]

Can Cabrera play first?

Or LF?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Can Cabrera play first?

Or LF?

Yes and yes. Won't happen though.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Problem is that the D'backs now have a young, cheap 3rd baseman in Reynolds. The production that is seen from him makes it ridiculous to pursue Cabrera (even though I would love to see him bat in the middle of the order), as Marlins' third baseman will receive a huge contract when he becomes a free agent.

While Santana gives us a young (24-25 year old) starter who can pitch after Webb for the coming years. However, he is clearly not a dominant starter by any stretch of the imagination. We would need to get something else in the deal to make it work. Ryan Tucker, while a decent prospect, does not seem to be a good pick-up. He has closer stuff, and some people think he is headed to the bullpen. That does not excite me because we have a bunch of young relief pitchers.

I do not mind giving up Carlos Gonzalez like a lot of posters. I do believe he will be a good major leaguer but the problem is finding him a position to play. The organizational depth at OF in AZ's system is beyond belief; thus, the best method for CGon to aid this franchise is through a trade where we go from a strength (young outfielders) to a weakness (young pitchers).

With that being said, it scares me that they are talking about trading Parra. This prospect (only 20) reminds people of a more refined CGon, because he has better strike zone recognition as well as the same five-tools. However, what has struck me is that scouts rave about his passion for the game. That he lives baseball. I do not know if anyone, despite depth, should ever give up a player like that.

If the D'backs were able to get a young pitcher like Chris Volstad (unlikely) or Sean West the trade would be more agreeable. Yet, I still do not like giving up Parra.




I agree. Florida, while trading away a superstar, is getting a boat load in return. However, I think that all the teams benefit from this deal... just that the Marlins are benefiting the most.

wow - great stuff

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Problem is that the D'backs now have a young, cheap 3rd baseman in Reynolds. The production that is seen from him makes it ridiculous to pursue Cabrera (even though I would love to see him bat in the middle of the order), as Marlins' third baseman will receive a huge contract when he becomes a free agent.

Hence my use of the term corner infield position. I like Reynolds quite a bit, and think he has the tools to be a future star. I am not convinced the Jackson/Clark/Tracy triumvirate at 1st is the answer. Put together the neccesary talent to get Cabrera and play him at first. He wants a ton of money but would be worth the investment. Many of the anchor contracts will be off the books in two years and we should be able to pay him. He is definitely one of the best young hitters in the game and has put up great numbers at one of the worst hitter's parks. Imagine him at Chase Field...

Chris Young
Drew
Hudson
Cabrera
Byrnes
Reynolds
Upton
Snyder/Montero

Add one more decent starter through trade/free agency and we should compete for the pennant.

 

[Brian]

Keep in mind guys that this trade is to replace Livo.

It only works out that the players involved also work out to get us a first baseman (if the trade proposition was twisted).

Personally I agree with some folks here and would rather they focus on getting Cabrera. Worry about getting Santana (or whoever) once that's done.

The big names are gonna go first and fast.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would add another player or two and try to get Santana & Willis. If we need a bat go after Geoff Jenkins & put him at 1st or try and trade Hudson for a bat maybe Adam Dunn who strikes out alot and hits about .260 but his OBS & RBI's are there and he's only 26.

 

[Diawsome]

Put together the neccesary talent to get Cabrera and play him at first.

Florida would demand either Justin Upton or Chris Young to be part of any Cabrera deal. Plus Cabrera is only 2 years away from reaching free agency so the dbacks would essentially be trading Young or Upton for a 2 year rental in Cabrera because there is no chance they can out bid someone like the Yankees so no thank you.

 

[Diawsome]

I would add another player or two and try to get Santana & Willis. If we need a bat go after Geoff Jenkins & put him at 1st or try and trade Hudson for a bat maybe Adam Dunn who strikes out alot and hits about .260 but his OBS & RBI's are there and he's only 26.

No good reason to trade for Willis with his recent poor performance and the Marlins asking price. Adam Dunn just had his 13 million dollar option picked up and the dbacks simply can't afford that.

Conor Jackson is already a better offensive player then Geoff Jenkins (Jenkins posted an 101 OPS+ this season compared to Jackson's 110 OPS+) so it doesn't really make sense to downgrade at 1B and at the same time instead of paying Jackson league minimum giving Jenkins 5+ million he'll get on the open market.

 

[overseascardfan]

No good reason to trade for Willis with his recent poor performance and the Marlins asking price. Adam Dunn just had his 13 million dollar option picked up and the dbacks simply can't afford that.

Conor Jackson is already a better offensive player then Geoff Jenkins (Jenkins posted an 101 OPS+ this season compared to Jackson's 110 OPS+) so it doesn't really make sense to downgrade at 1B and at the same time instead of paying Jackson league minimum giving Jenkins 5+ million he'll get on the open market.

You know after sleeping on it I hope we don't go for Cabrera or Willis. Why can't we just keep our team together and sign a SP like Carlos Silva to replace Hernandez and wait for Scherzer (who is killing in the AFL), Anderson, & some of our other pitching prospects.

Unless we can get a fair deal for a SP (which all teams with big name P's on the market are asking for the moon) we should keep Gonzalez who is atleast a year away from being MLB ready anyway. Maybe we can get rid of Byrnes next year at the trading deadline.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Cabrera is both money intensive and player intensive in terms of obtaining him, that combination makes it extremely unlikely that the Diamondbacks would make a play for him.

 

[Diawsome]

You know after sleeping on it I hope we don't go for Cabrera or Willis. Why can't we just keep our team together and sign a SP like Carlos Silva to replace Hernandez and wait for Scherzer (who is killing in the AFL), Anderson, & some of our other pitching prospects.

Unless we can get a fair deal for a SP (which all teams with big name P's on the market are asking for the moon) we should keep Gonzalez who is atleast a year away from being MLB ready anyway. Maybe we can get rid of Byrnes next year at the trading deadline.

With the way Scherzer had been pitching in the AFL I could see them moving him to the bullpen and having him replace Brandon Lyon making Lyon available for a trade and with the demand for quality bullpen arms right now a package built around Lyon & Carlos Gonzalez could fetch a decent young starting pitcher

Byrnes has a full NTC

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Even though Scherzer is pitching in the pen now, he'll probably be headed back to the rotation once the minors starts up again. The reason he isn't starting now in the AFL is because the Diamondbacks didn't have another slot for a starter so they gave it to Greg Smith (who they wanted to get more work due to an injury), as Scherzer had already logged a lot of innings this season.

 

[Spider TX]

According to some sources who have given me pretty accurate information in the past, the Angels have emerged as the front runners to acquire Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins. According to this source, the Diamondbacks also have involvement in the deal, which would net them a pair of SP, Ervin Santana atop the list.

In the rumor, the Marlins would trade Cabrera to the Angels. In exchange, the 'Lins would receive Carlos Gonzalez, and prospect Gerardo Parra from the Diamondbacks and Brandon Wood and Sean O'Sullivan from Los Angeles.

The Diamondbacks in turn would receive Ervin Santana and pitching prospect Ryan Tucker (Florida) to Arizona.

I think it's an interesting rumor to say the least and thought it merited some discussion. Thoughts?

By the way, you really took the time to shorten Marlins to the 'Lins? WOW