AZCentral: Suns shift focus to free agents

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There are a few interesting things in this article. First, it sure sounds like the Suns are admitting that they may have out thought themselves in trading the pick. They will be sharply criticized for missing out on the Iguodala, especially if he is a contributor for the 76ers this season. Secondly, it sounds to me like they are conceding that it's very unlikely they will get Tracy McGrady. That doesn't bother me.

The one thing I heard from Bryan Colangelo last night and he repeats in this article is that they aren't going to spend the money just to spend it. He is saying that they are going to be very careful. That's a bit of a relief. - Joe Mama


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/0625suns0625.html

Suns shift focus to free agents
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 25, 2004 12:00 AM


Now, the Phoenix Suns' real draft starts.

The Suns' second-round selection of Iowa State's Jackson Vroman on Thursday night gave them an energetic power forward they had pegged as a solid first-round choice. However, their more important choices begin this Thursday when they can begin recruiting free agents.

The chance to trade for Orlando's Tracy McGrady this week began to put too much of Phoenix's building blocks at risk. Although a McGrady deal is not dead, the close of the NBA draft shifted the Suns' focus to luring two or three veteran free agents who can bring leadership and toughness to the perimeter and paint.

"We have experienced some pain to get here, but we've got the opportunity to add something significant to this team," Suns President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo said.

There could have been regret over missing out on one of their desired prospects, Arizona swingman Andre Iguodala. He surprisingly fell to No. 9 for Philadelphia, meaning the Suns could have taken him had they not agreed Wednesday to deal the No. 7 choice to Chicago for the No. 31 pick that garnered Vroman, a future first-round choice and $3 million.

But the Suns' $16.3 million of salary-cap space to pursue free agents or use in future deals proved most valuable.

"Does that mean we will spend $16 million? No, because you've got to make the right decisions," Colangelo said. "The money won't be spent just to spend the money."

Thursday's draft may have even impacted the Suns' wish list.

With Dallas' trade to acquire Wisconsin point guard Devin Harris, theories were flying that Mavericks point guard Steve Nash will be dangled in a trade to acquire Shaquille O'Neal. Nash is just one of several free agents Phoenix will consider.

"I think the pieces will fall pretty quickly," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said.



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Nash is among the most mentioned because Phoenix figures to go after a veteran point guard to compliment Leandro Barbosa, who is entering his second year. The Suns do not plan to bring over Serbian point guard Milos Vujanic, who would have had a costly buyout from his Italian team.

"I don't think we need two guys who both have to learn," D'Antoni said.

One free agent wouldn't even need to change teams. Phoenix is hoping to bring back Antonio McDyess, who became Phoenix's solid starting center at the end of last season.

"He's definitely a guy we'd love to have back," D'Antoni said.

The Suns went from nearly making McGrady their newest player earlier this to making Vroman the new guy on Thursday. As the second pick of the second round, Vroman is not guaranteed to make the Suns roster. However, Phoenix's brass believes he will because of the vacancy in the middle created when Charlotte took Jahidi White on Tuesday.

Vroman, 6 feet 10 and 230 pounds, has drawn some comparisons to current Suns center Jake Voskuhl for his active style and ability to run. But Vroman, 23, was also labeled as "a bit of a project" and has some missteps in his past. He was arrested twice in 2003 - once for marijuana possession and once for drunken driving.

As a senior, he led the Big 12 in rebounding. Vroman was the star of recent draft camps in Portsmouth, Va., and Chicago.

"He's a hard worker and he's relentless on the boards," Suns Vice President of Player Personnel Dick Van Arsdale said.


Jackson Vroman

School: Iowa State.

Age: 23.

Height: 6 feet 10.

Weight: 230 pounds.

Stats: Vroman averaged 13.9 points and a Big 12-high 9.6 rebounds for Iowa State as a senior. His 56.4 shooting percentage ranked fourth in the conference.

Background: Vroman grew up loving soccer in Europe and did not play basketball until he was in high school in Utah. Vroman was 6 feet tall as a freshman and grew to 6-10 by the time he was in college. His father, Brett, played one year with the Jazz and 12 seasons in Europe.

Vroman quote: "The team needed some big man, so it's nice to come into a team I can contribute to."
 

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No Milos Vujanic? WTF?

Jackson Vroman? Arrested twice? WTF?

Could have had Andre Iguodola? Why not just wait to make until your on the 15 minute clock? This was shoddy maneuvering. WTF?

For a moment, I thought I was on the Cardinals board.
 
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sly fly said:
No Milos Vujanic? WTF?

Jackson Vroman? Arrested twice? WTF?

Could have had Andre Iguodola? Why not just wait to make until your on the 15 minute clock? This was shoddy maneuvering. WTF?

For a moment, I thought I was on the Cardinals board.

It still wouldn't surprise me if they are talking about Vujanic possibly coming over towards the end of the summer. I could care less if Vroman was arrested twice if they think he was the best player on the board.

I also wish now that they would have stayed at #7 to take Iguodala. However the Chicago Bulls probably were not going to just wait around with the same offer until the Phoenix Suns were on the clock. If Iguodala and Deng were gone as expected there's no way Chicago would have given them nearly as much for the pick. I'm not trying to defend the trade. I'm just saying IMO it's not as simple as you make it sound.

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sly fly said:
No Milos Vujanic? WTF?

Jackson Vroman? Arrested twice? WTF?

Could have had Andre Iguodola? Why not just wait to make until your on the 15 minute clock? This was shoddy maneuvering. WTF?

For a moment, I thought I was on the Cardinals board.


:rolleyes:

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i would believe that if we found that we werent going to get one of the big free agents (nash or kobe) and couldnt do a trade. that they will bring milos over. but right now they are planning on using their money to bring in free agents.
 

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Joe Mama said:
One free agent wouldn't even need to change teams. Phoenix is hoping to bring back Antonio McDyess, who became Phoenix's solid starting center at the end of last season.

"He's definitely a guy we'd love to have back," D'Antoni said.

The Suns went from nearly making McGrady their newest player earlier this to making Vroman the new guy on Thursday. As the second pick of the second round, Vroman is not guaranteed to make the Suns roster. However, Phoenix's brass believes he will because of the vacancy in the middle created when Charlotte took Jahidi White on Tuesday.

So if they expect Vroman to make the roster.... That probably means we are going in the season with Amare, Lampe, McDyess, Vroman and Voshkul upfront....:(
 

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That's just spin. Remember, this is the guy they just traded Iguodala for. They'd better build him up.

For all practical purposes, there are 15 roster spots, not 12. Even if they keep those five bigs, there's room for one or two more -- hopefully players good enough to force someone else to the IR.
 

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Assuming the Suns miss out on Kobe and Nash and decide to sign guys only to one year contracts, anybody know how much cap space we'll have in Summer 2005 and what free agents might be available?
 

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elindholm said:
That's just spin. Remember, this is the guy they just traded Iguodala for. They'd better build him up.

For all practical purposes, there are 15 roster spots, not 12. Even if they keep those five bigs, there's room for one or two more -- hopefully players good enough to force someone else to the IR.


I think it is unfair for you to characterize this as a Vroman for Iguodala trade. They can't trade a guy they never had. There is a first round pick coming.

Deng for Vroman and another player is accurate.
 

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Hugh Jass said:
Assuming the Suns miss out on Kobe and Nash and decide to sign guys only to one year contracts, anybody know how much cap space we'll have in Summer 2005 and what free agents might be available?

Joe Johnson would be FA next year.
Casey Jacobsen has a team option
Amare has a team option (that would definately be excersised)

If we resign Johnson for an extension starting at 7M$, let Jacobsen go and sign a top7 pick.

The Suns would have roughly 36M$ tied up in salaries even if they sign nobody to more than a 1 year deal this season.
 

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Has anyone read.....

the rumors on www.hoopshype.com? It has information that Kobe is second guessing the situation with the Lakers and has the Suns listed as going after Oneal.
 

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It also has the Clippers listed as Kobe's preferred destination...

And I think it is probably more likely that Kupchak calls the Suns and asks them to give up Amare, Marion and our capspace for Shaq.
 

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I don't think that I would be willing to do that trade. Losing Amare would just be too much. The whole reason for bringing Shaq here would be for him to play alongside Amare. What do you think?
 

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BEERZ said:
Shaq = NO THX...
If Amare is traded for anyone not named LB or TD, I will no longer be a suns fan. These last few days its been like watching the clippers make deals...
 

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cepstrum said:
If Amare is traded for anyone not named LB or TD, I will no longer be a suns fan. These last few days its been like watching the clippers make deals...


In the last few days they have been like the Clippers? Clipper trade away talent. The Suns have not traded anything away unless you are counting White and the Cleveland pick. They swapped one first round pick for another and picked up a 2nd rd pick. :shrug:
 

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SirChaz said:
In the last few days they have been like the Clippers? Clipper trade away talent. The Suns have not traded anything away unless you are counting White and the Cleveland pick. They swapped one first round pick for another and picked up a 2nd rd pick. :shrug:

You'll be signing a different tune when you see iguadala tearing it up in phili...
 

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SirChaz said:
In the last few days they have been like the Clippers? Clipper trade away talent. The Suns have not traded anything away unless you are counting White and the Cleveland pick. They swapped one first round pick for another and picked up a 2nd rd pick. :shrug:

I just dont understand a bunch of the moves they're making. After the marbs trade they talk all season about they milos is coming over. BC said many things to let the fans belive this and then last night they said he WASNT coming. In addition they gave away all their pics for the googs trade. damnit that one hurt. I understand the money aspect of it, but I could care less.

Then they trade the pick before even knowing who was there. If you want to get under the freaking cap, give away casey freaking jacobsen. Why not waint until afterwards to make the trade or make it contingent upon a player not being there. Damnit. this trade hurt just as much as the googs trade.
 

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What's the point?

We traded the pick! Get over it! Move on, we have bigger fish to fry!
 

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Chaplin said:
What's the point?

We traded the pick! Get over it! Move on, we have bigger fish to fry!

Like who? Nash and Okur? cause kobe aint comin
 

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slinslin said:
It also has the Clippers listed as Kobe's preferred destination...

And I think it is probably more likely that Kupchak calls the Suns and asks them to give up Amare, Marion and our capspace for Shaq.

If Amare was in the trade, then it'd be the Suns making demands for the other parts in the trade. It'd likely be

Shaq, Rush, a future #1 (unprotected) for Amare, Marion, Eisley. OUr salaries would be at about 39mil. Sign Dice for 1mil, sign Barry.

Shaq/Jake/Vroman
Dice/Lampe
Zarko/CJ
JJ/Rush
Barry/Barbossa

Not too bad. We still have Chicago and Lakers picks.
 

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If Amare was in the trade, then it'd be the Suns making demands for the other parts in the trade. It'd likely be

Shaq, Rush, a future #1 (unprotected) for Amare, Marion, Eisley. OUr salaries would be at about 39mil. Sign Dice for 1mil, sign Barry.

Shaq/Jake/Vroman
Dice/Lampe
Zarko/CJ
JJ/Rush
Barry/Barbossa

Not too bad. We still have Chicago and Lakers picks.

I hope to God that this never happens. I want AMARE in phoenix for the rest of his career.
 

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Amare isn't going to be traded , thats pretty obvious.

Let the Lakers throw in whatever they want but Amare isn't going to be traded for Shaq.
 

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slinslin said:
Amare isn't going to be traded , thats pretty obvious.

Let the Lakers throw in whatever they want but Amare isn't going to be traded for Shaq.

That's cool with me. :wave:

Make the Lakers desparate and get Kobe.:thumbup:
 

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cepstrum said:
I just dont understand a bunch of the moves they're making. After the marbs trade they talk all season about they milos is coming over. BC said many things to let the fans belive this and then last night they said he WASNT coming. In addition they gave away all their pics for the googs trade. damnit that one hurt. I understand the money aspect of it, but I could care less.

Then they trade the pick before even knowing who was there. If you want to get under the freaking cap, give away casey freaking jacobsen. Why not waint until afterwards to make the trade or make it contingent upon a player not being there. Damnit. this trade hurt just as much as the googs trade.
The trade hurt? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

We don't even know what the pick will be yet. Was Andre Igoudala going to carry us to the playoffs this year?

I understand a desire to make moves, and I understand some disappointment but people need to relax. We may end up starting this season with nothing but a couple mid level free agents and the roster that finished last year. The sooner everyone comes to grips with that the better.

Our "superstar" and leader was in HS a couple years ago. It will take a little while to grow into that role. I am looking forward to the ride with or without a huge splash this summer.
 
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